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« on: July 30, 2009, 02:49:12 PM »

Apple fans get ready to drool.  granted this is just a rumor, but I may hold off looking at netbooks if any of this has a chance of becoming a reality.
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2009, 02:58:07 PM »

I love my iPod Touch, but netbooks are basically cheap things ($300 range or so) meant to help you do work and web surf. I don't think a pricey (I'm betting) Apple Tablet that has no keyboard is going to "slay" netbooks as much as it might create a new niche for itself.

Or it could be the next Newton, something people love but the masses won't buy (which you can say about most tablets produced to this point). Though I can't see Stevie Jobs (I'm glad his health seems to be improving) OK'ing production of something that wouldn't sell massively.

I'm just here to present the wet blanket view.  smirk
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 03:00:28 PM »

I've always been a huge fan of tablet PCs for doing powerpoint presentations. Write notes right on the tablet pc? Displays on the screen so everyone can see, and you can save it with the presentation? Sounds good to me!

Pretty interested to see how this turns out.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 03:08:28 PM »

When Steve Jobs was in the hospital he was supposedly seen using something bigger than an iPhone but smaller than a laptop. I guess this could be it, but it seems this guy is just making a wild guess.
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 03:56:25 PM »

The thought is that this will give Verizon an in with Apple since it "seems" like the Verizon iPhone ain't coming anytime soon.

/wants (if true)
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 04:05:47 PM »

God, I worry about a screen that huge with no protection.  I worry about my iphone screen, and I know that thing's fairly bullet proof. 

If this happens, at least the case market will have another cash cow.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2009, 05:43:31 PM »

I'm all about Apple, but for around $800, there better be something compelling, and I don't want the iPhone OS either. Full OS!

Somehow they will get me to bite...
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2009, 08:17:46 PM »

People have talked about protecting the screen, but it seems like it would be very easy to build in a thin cover that swings around and clips to the back when you are using the device. I don't know if that's what they'd do, but it seems logical.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2009, 01:45:28 AM »

The thing about having a $300 netbook is that it is a portable work station. I take mine everywhere and if I abuse it for a year and it survives I will consider that money WELL spent. An $800 iPad looks great and it is the kind of thing you show your buds "Wow, look at this." Then you show off your $50 case, and your $15 protective cover. How about your $60 add on keyboard and $40 mouse.

So .. yeah, I will still want one.  Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2009, 02:32:11 AM »

I just have to wonder what this can do that my iPhone and laptop can't do that would make it so special for me to get it? I mean really, I can take quick notes on my iPHone or I can just pull out my laptop and do long notes. I can do e-mail on either easily, I can surf the web on either easily. So what would make me want to spend another 1k on an Apple thing, I don't see a bridge necessary between these 2 devices.

If they price it at around 1000 dollars, besides a funky touch screen which I will admit will be difficult to type on what true advantages would you get with it over a comparably priced macbook? OSX right now is not built to be finger friendly hence the stripped down version for the iPhone. Tablets haven't really taken off even though with a full pen they are nice for certain applications. But that is mostly in some business situations that a 300 dollar netbook can do just as well so I'm really finding it hard to see how this will be successful. Considering the mac tax and all.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2009, 03:32:04 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on July 30, 2009, 02:58:07 PM

I love my iPod Touch, but netbooks are basically cheap things ($300 range or so) meant to help you do work and web surf. I don't think a pricey (I'm betting) Apple Tablet that has no keyboard is going to "slay" netbooks as much as it might create a new niche for itself.

Or it could be the next Newton, something people love but the masses won't buy (which you can say about most tablets produced to this point). Though I can't see Stevie Jobs (I'm glad his health seems to be improving) OK'ing production of something that wouldn't sell massively.

I'm just here to present the wet blanket view.  smirk

MP3 players are also basically cheap things meant to  help you listen to songs. That didn't stop Apple from "slaying" the competition with iPod.

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 06:09:35 PM »

Whatever it is I'm sure I'll grumble about the price and then order one immediately after.  Actually I'd be satisfied and excited simply about a giant iPod Touch.  As much as I love my iPhone and my MBA, there are still times when I wish I had something bigger than the iPhone for browsing, etc but lighter and smaller than the MBA.  I know I've touted how great the lightweight-ness of the MBA is, but I can imagine a touch screen experience being more satisfying without a keyboard and in an even lighter package.  I don't think I need full OS X, but I would like a full browser experience (flash and java).  So maybe a lighter version of OS X or a fuller version of iPhone OS 3.0 to keep it cheaper.  If this allowed them to come in at a $599 or $699 price point to better compete with netbooks and Kindle, all the better!
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2009, 02:15:04 AM »

I am sure I will order whatever they release to compete with the netbooks on day one. Then 9 months to a year later I will be kicking myself for not waiting for the 2nd generation.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 04:42:26 AM »

Apple iPad??  Isn't that how the folks in Michigan pronounce the iPod anyways?
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 04:47:40 AM »

Quote from: Canuck on August 03, 2009, 04:42:26 AM

Apple iPad??  Isn't that how the folks in Michigan pronounce the iPod anyways?

I've always thought Michigan people only spoke in grunts myself.....  icon_twisted
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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2009, 04:57:39 AM »

it's near the beginning of the new year and new rumors are starting to swirl:

could it be called the iSlate?

could January 26th be the announcement day?

large screen demos of apps for next month?

Steve Jobs getting a new job?

only time will tell, hopefully it's more than just rumors this time around.
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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2009, 05:58:58 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2009, 06:08:30 AM »

Quote from: Meisterbrew on December 25, 2009, 05:58:58 AM



personally I like this one.
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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2009, 04:01:57 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on August 03, 2009, 04:47:40 AM

Quote from: Canuck on August 03, 2009, 04:42:26 AM

Apple iPad??  Isn't that how the folks in Michigan pronounce the iPod anyways?

I've always thought Michigan people only spoke in grunts myself.....  icon_twisted

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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2009, 04:26:55 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on December 25, 2009, 06:08:30 AM

Quote from: Meisterbrew on December 25, 2009, 05:58:58 AM

personally I like this one.
I like 'em both.  icon_lol Endgadget had a slightly amusing nostalgic look back at some of the lame predictions of what the iPhone would be like before it was unveiled (people thought it would be like an iPod player with a keyboard tacked onto it for example):
http://gizmodo.com/5435723/the-iphone-wouldve-sucked-if-the-rumors-were-true

So I guess the thing to keep in mind is that whatever the rumormongers are predicting and Photoshoppers might be concocting (mostly fixated on the idea of an oversized iPhone), it's probably going to be different -- if it ever materializes at all.

I had a delicious frozen stromboli (no, it wasn't frozen when I ate it) for lunch the other day, and it made me think...

iStromboli
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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2009, 10:52:49 PM »

Looks like it might possibly get named the "iSlate" or "MagicSlate"

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/12/25/apple-islate-trademark-and-what-is-a-magic-slate/

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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2009, 01:16:26 AM »

The pundits (who also thought the iPhone "wouldn't sell"  Roll Eyes) are already unimpressed about something that may or may not exist...

Why Apple tablet may not be the gadget of the future
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/29/technology/tablet_computers/index.htm?CNN=yes
I found it amusing one analyst is saying netbooks have "lost the war" because netbook shipments are "only" going to grow 19% next year.  confused
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2009, 01:40:10 AM »

Every time I see "iPad" I my brain derails to think 'feminine pad'.  Apparently I'm not the only one to have had this thought: Mad TV - iPad.
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2009, 01:53:27 AM »

To this point, I've seen nothing about this new 'thing' that would make me want to buy one, but I assume there WILL be something...

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2009, 02:34:57 AM »

Never really liked Apple. I'd rather have something I can customize. Or use...with...stuff that I currently use. Or not feel boxed in by my lack of options. Damn facist computer.
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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2009, 01:56:01 AM »

Aren't several other companies planning to release tablet devices in 2010?  If the software side is done well, I can see them being viable competitors with the Apple product.  The competition should give us more options and lower prices.
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2010, 06:24:23 AM »

Quote from: KC on December 31, 2009, 01:56:01 AM

Aren't several other companies planning to release tablet devices in 2010?  If the software side is done well, I can see them being viable competitors with the Apple product.  The competition should give us more options and lower prices.


My guess is that competitors won't be able to match Apple in terms of user interface, and possibly also with partnerships Apple is already cultivating (with magazines and newspapers).  And if they take full advantage of existing Apps and the App Store (very likely considering Apple has asked some vendors to prepare a "full screen" demo), Apple will again have a huge advantage in the applications and games departments.

But - as is ever the way with Apple - I also predict their initial entry price will be very steep (and very criticized) by a lot of people.  I'm thinking something like $799 or $899, maybe even more.
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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2010, 06:28:31 AM »

Quote from: Devil on December 30, 2009, 01:53:27 AM

To this point, I've seen nothing about this new 'thing' that would make me want to buy one, but I assume there WILL be something...

IN!

Sentiments like this are why I got back in and bought Apple stock, even at its current high. They've got some sort of magic brainwashing ability that makes its fans want to buy everything the company makes.
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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2010, 10:53:48 PM »

A couple of days ago, I was reading an article discussing how the netbook market may plateau because they are not yet powerful enough to do much more than web surfing and word processing, and that the price differential with a laptop is getting smaller.  I think it was on Engadget or Gizmodo.

Anyway, it got me thinking that the Ipad may have the a similar issue.  It's too big to be truly portable like an Iphone or Ipod Touch and is not as functional as a laptop (I'm assuming that the Ipad will cost about as much or more than a laptop).

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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2010, 11:12:27 PM »

That's what's always confused me about the potential ipad thing.  The benefit of the iphone is that I always carry it because it fits in my pocket, and so I don't mind that it's not always as powerful or functional as I'd like.  If I have to go out of my way to carry something bigger, I'd prefer it to have an actual keyboard.  Hunting and pecking with one hand as I hold it with the other isn't a good time.  Neither is having to rely on handwriting recognition in lieu of a keyboard.
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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2010, 02:40:19 AM »

Yeah, I'm decidedly not interested in this thing, unless they just come up with some amazing feature that I didn't know I couldn't live without. I can pretty much do everything I need to do in a portable fashion on my iPhone - surf the web, check email, read books, play games, listen to music. Not sure why I would need a bigger, more cumbersome device to do the same things. I guess I can see it making a dent in the netbook market, but I've never really embraced the whole netbook movement.
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2010, 02:59:24 AM »

It's all just a question of how it gets positioned.  Like I said in the other thread, I think there's a lot of room for a cool device between the ipod/iphone and the lowest priced Mac, both in terms of feature set and price.  You can certainly bet it will be more than just "now a mac without a keyboard!" or "now an iphone with a really big screen!"  They'll have custom apps and custom interfaces all lined up and ready to go to tell you how to use it.  If it's as open as they've made the iphone there is a lot of gaming potential for a large touchscreen device as well.  The only thing I find to be a big obstacle to making something I would really like is battery life.  Anyway, until they announce anything about it at all, I can certainly imagine all kinds of scenarios where it can succeed or fail.  Hopefully we'll see something at Macworld in February.
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2010, 04:04:09 AM »

Rumors point to a January 26th announcement event involving iPods, maybe iPhone and the fabled iPad/iSlate.

I kind of get people (myself included) being skeptical about the "space" such an item might occupy.  But then again, I think some people were skeptical about the iPhone as well.  Someone else mentioned it earlier (Devil and others maybe) but Apple products have a way of being more than their specs/hardware and finding ways to mesh into your life further and deeper than you might have imagined at first.  That's one of the things that makes fans like myself become so dedicated.  For instance, I have far too many computers to talk about, but which one do I end up using the most (aside from gaming)?  My Macbook Air.  It comes with me in the bathroom, to the kitchen table, cuddled up on the sofa, outside in the yard, etc etc.  When I bought it, that really wasn't my intention, I just wanted a really lightweight yet powerful machine possibly for business travel.  Now it's defined a space of its own in my home life.

Speaking of which, this is where I can see the iPad entering people's homes and becoming a permanent fixture.  For those intangible times and locations when you didn't even think you wanted/needed a computer or internet access, it fills the slot for you.  Yes my iPhone is always with me when I'm away from home, but at home when I need to do some quick browsing I still like a larger screen.  Ditto I can imagine watching TV or reading a magazine or newspaper or book off the larger screen as well.  So what I see is something doing all the media, all the apps, all the browsing - but much more effectively.  Very likely it would become the "everywhere" machine that goes to the bathroom, kitchen, yard, sofa.  A coworker of mine suggested that during its "off" times you could leave it in a charge station and it serves a great digital photo frame to boot.  I think one of the endgame goals is to supplant newspapers and magazines as your everyday goto location for information, but with interactive touch features that make it more interesting, and of course being much more immediate.  And of course there's the possibility of being a "Kindle killer" as well.  

And last but not least, let's not forget the potential to become an incredible gaming interface/machine.  Apple themselves admitted they underestimated the iPhone's potential as a gaming machine, my guess is this time around they won't make the same mistake.  By now it's pretty clear the iPhone even in its tiny state is a pretty damn powerful portable gaming device, even running a version of the Unreal 3 engine.  Now quadruple the area to work with and you have the potential to be something that takes things to the next level.  Maybe they can team with Blizzard and make an iPad MMO smile
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2010, 04:58:03 AM »

The ipad won't be a Kindle killer, for me at least, as long as it's not using some kind of non-backlit screen.  The whole point of the Kindle is that it lets you do ebooks in a format that doesn't cause eyestrain and is very similar to reading a sheet of paper.  Saying the ipad will take the place of the Kindle is like saying that my TV will take the place of my stereo system because it can play music too.

The other question I have is that if you see the ipad filling the same niche as the Macbook Air, then what's the point of getting it? You already have that niche filled. 

What it comes down to for me is that I think the touch interface works fine for the iphone where I can hold it and still have two thumbs to reach all areas of the screen.  Make that same interface bigger, and suddenly I'm trying to hold it with one hand and use it with the other, which is not the way I want to be doing my mobile anything.  It's an ergonomic thing.  Put it down to use two hands on it, and now you're either propping it up or looking straight down at it with your hands in the way.  I'm curious to see what they do with it because I feel like it's trying to fill a gap that's already pretty well handled by the netbooks.
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2010, 01:42:14 PM »

Yeah, I think the Kindle killer thing is vastly overblown. Without an e-ink screen, they're already at a disadvantage. The only way they'd be able to compete is with the content itself, and I don't see Apple magically becoming the world's largest bookseller overnight. It would certainly fill a niche for people who want to read ebooks in addition to the other major features of the iPad, but it won't be a substitute for a dedicated reader.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2010, 07:53:35 PM »

After having finally seen a Kindle in action, I can finally understand the need for eInk and the quality of the text, etc. - so I can see this wouldn't be a Kindle killer as much as a Kindle adjunct.  Presuming full flash capability, I think reading magazines and more color oriented media, particularly with touch interaction, would be the major benefit.  Now for students, I'm not sure - normally you'd want the better text for less eyestrain, but for graphics/images/graphs/charts, etc you'd likely prefer the (presumably) higher resolution.  That will be an interesting arena to watch.

Compared to the Air, I would say something even smaller and lighter would still be of great use to me.  It's still awkward in some places (like the bathroom), and being able to hold it very comfortably in one hand while touch browsing with the other would be awesome.  Losing the keyboard is kind of a bummer, but I suppose for serious typing I'd have to go back to a laptop or desktop.  Another perfect place that came to mind yesterday was on the treadmill, there's a perfect spot for an iPad-like device there.  I was using my iPhone but the screen really felt too small to watch stuff, and clearly the Air would be too big for that.

Another potential use would be for video chat, presuming there will be a front-side camera.  Sure you can do this with your laptop already using iChat, but iChat on a handheld touchscreen seems to invite a lot of ummmm.... opportunity  icon_razz

Clearly it's not a "necessity" type of item, but it certainly has the potential to fill a subtle space that no one has quite done right yet.  UMPCs have been trying for years to fill this space with a winner (trust me, I know because I have so many different failed attempts in my closet) but I really think Apple is the only one poised to really do it right.  They know how to build sophisticated, user-friendly hardware, and have now proven they can handle tons of software on top of that.  Unlike many of the handheld/portable devices that get released, you can tell their hardware goes through extensive user testing and iterations.  Sure they tend to "forget" a few key things with each initial release, but that just gives them room to improve (and make suckers like me buy future iterations).
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2010, 04:41:22 AM »

Here's a pretty decent article with predictions, etc.  Pretty much echoes my thoughts that Apple doesn't really need to create some masterpiece of surprising hardware, they just need to make something nice and leverage all their advantages in terms of iTunes, App Store, etc.  Fanbase and developers together will continue to define the "space" it fits into.

http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits/2010/01/antacid-tablet.ars
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2010, 01:36:43 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2010, 01:39:38 AM »

If it is $1000, then I hope they drop the price on macbooks finally.
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2010, 03:17:55 AM »

Quote from: leo8877 on January 05, 2010, 01:39:38 AM

If it is $1000, then I hope they drop the price on macbooks finally.

I doubt that'll happen.  It's a different market.  Macbooks are for people who want to look like they're doing work while they're dicking around on the internet.  The tablet thing is for people who don't care that everyone knows they're just dicking around on the internet. 
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