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« on: March 31, 2005, 03:18:40 PM »

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/brain_damaged_woman

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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 03:37:19 PM »

Sad, yes, but people die everyday.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 03:38:31 PM »

I'm glad for her.  Sad for her family but I'm glad that it is over.  15 years in a vegitative state?  That is exactly why I have a living will....
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2005, 04:08:26 PM »

... and exactly why the wife and I are putting together one for ourselves. There was so much about this whole ordeal that flat-out disgusted me, but I had to laugh the other day once Jesse Jackson got involved. It's not a full-blown three-ring circus until the Reverend Jackson shows up. :roll:
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2005, 05:24:01 PM »

It's a sad story.  

I daresay she's already been dead for 15 years.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 05:59:10 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2005, 06:08:27 PM »

Poor woman. My mother "lived" in a PVS for 15 years, the last 5 of which on a feeding tube.

A hideous life that I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy.

I hope she's found peace.

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2005, 06:17:00 PM »

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I'm sorry to hear that about your mom Randy.  I can't possibly imagine.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2005, 06:39:31 PM »

15 years like she lived is insane, there is no way that she's not in a better place now.
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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2005, 06:48:02 PM »

There is a lot of question about her being in a PVS, and the doctor who examined her was a bio-ethist who was in favor of euthenasia, and the lawyer for Michael Shaivo has claimed that he could look into the eyes of someone and tell if they wanted to die or not.  I also rate Michael Shaivo with about as much integrity as a used-car salesman.

There are a lot more questions than answers, and it's sad that a woman  starved to death because of it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2005, 06:49:53 PM »

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lawyer for Michael Shaivo has claimed that he could look into the eyes of someone and tell if they wanted to die or not.

I know a lot of lawyers that can look in your eyes while they pick your pockets.  I don't buy that argument for a second and it damned sure wouldn't stand up in court.
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2005, 07:00:46 PM »

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I also rate Michael Shaivo with about as much integrity as a used-car salesman.


We should consider ourselves lucky to have half the integrity of Michael Shavio. He stayed by her bedside for 8 years, getting her to see virtually every specialist and any experimental operation and theraphy that might bring his wife back to life. After all hope was gone, he decided it was time for her suffering to end and fought for 7 years to see that happen.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2005, 07:14:31 PM »

I'm with Rob on this one.  If something, God forbid, happened to Laura to put her in this state there isn't a procedure I wouldn't try or a thing I wouldn't sacrifice to bring her back...until she hit a vegitative state - I know her wishes better than any one at that point.
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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2005, 07:22:19 PM »

Terri was walking with the assistance of parallel bars and then Michael Shiavo refused physical therapy for her.  He also refused speech therapy for her as well.

He also said in the presence of others, "I don't know what she wanted.  How in the world should I know what she would have wanted done?"  It wasn't until 7 years after the accident that he "miraculously remembered" that she would want to die.

There are sworn affidavants that have nurses have signed saying Michael Shaivo would come to the doctors and say, "Why hasn't she died yet?  When is that bitch going to die?"  He also talked about the money he would get from the life insurance policy.

I also wouldn't consider having two kids and a common-law wife standing by her side.

Under normal situations, I would go with the husband's wishes.  However, there are a lot of things that truly make me question his intentions, and a lot of it obviously hasn't been reported.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2005, 07:34:54 PM »

I doubt the legal wrangling is over either.  Isn't there life insurance money out there or something on her?
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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2005, 07:41:38 PM »

I dunno, there is a whole lot of conjecture on both sides...the only one that wins here is Terry because the fight is over for her.
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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2005, 07:48:35 PM »

Graham, a lot of that is inaccurate and a google search of major news sources would point that out.
She was NEVER being trained to use parallel bars. Since she went into PVS she has never been able to consciously move any part of her body.
Virtually all the "swore affidavants" have come out of the wood work the past few weeks and the few claims that have been investigated have been deemed invaild. (example: one nurse who claimed that Michael Shiavo was refusing to give his wife medicane turned out to have been in MIDDLE SCHOOL at the time and not in any way possible employed as a nurse at the time.)
He has spent $385,000 more in medical and doctor bills than he got from the settlement.
I don't know much about Michael's personal life. (I read there were unproven claims of having an affair with two women at the time of Terri's collapse) he didn't even meet his current girlfriend until 7 years after his wife went into PVS state.
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2005, 10:44:22 PM »

It's a mess on both sides.  The family turned the whole thing into a massive political and media circus.  They were known for saying and releasing press info with all this evidence that wasn't really supported by anything.

Sure, the husband could very well have done something to her, but the family could have found a better way.
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2005, 11:29:48 PM »

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There are a lot more questions than answers, and it's sad that a woman  starved to death because of it.

Well, write to your senators and tell them to legalize euthenasia if you have qualms with a twitching cadaver starving.

Seriously, I'm glad Terry Shaivo's body has finally been allowed to stop twitching.  Quite frankly I don't think we should have even been calling her Terry Shaivo -- the part of the corpse's brain that was once Terry has been liquified for eight years and counting.

The woman herself, her consciousness, was for all intents and purposes long gone.  What was left?  A misfiring brainstem and fleshy manequin.  Not a woman.

Again:  The undead twitching thing in the Flordia clinic was NOT HUMAN ANY LONGER.  It is an affront to the real "Terry Shaivo" to create this farcical media circus around her unnaturally animated mortal coil.

The parents, and anyone who supported their stance, should be ashamed of themselves.  Thank god this is over.
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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2005, 12:21:10 AM »

Well, I am glad her suffering is over.  I too had a family member in a PVS.  My aunt was in a vegatative state with a feeding tube for 34 years.  She died two years ago finally and is now at peace.  My uncle in his grief gave up his guardianship rights a year after she went into the vegatative state out of pressure from her parents.  He was very young and thought it might be best.  He didn't divorce her until 5 years later.  He regretted his decision of giving up guardianship rights and wished he could have ended her suffering years ago.  Interesting note, she ended up outliving him.  Or, she existed longer than he did.  He died in 1996 from transplant complications and she died in 2003.

She never woke in 34 years - I think they should have taken out the feeding tube years ago, but her parents wanted it left in - they still had hope, amazingly enough.

As a law student, we have been watching this case and the courts got it right in my opinion and now Terry is at peace.
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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2005, 10:30:10 AM »

Well one the plus side-
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2005, 05:18:47 PM »

Holy Crap, Frog's Honey, 34 YEARS?????  That is pure insanity.
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2005, 05:33:23 PM »

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Terri was walking with the assistance of parallel bars and then Michael Shiavo refused physical therapy for her.  He also refused speech therapy for her as well.

He also said in the presence of others, "I don't know what she wanted.  How in the world should I know what she would have wanted done?"  It wasn't until 7 years after the accident that he "miraculously remembered" that she would want to die.

There are sworn affidavants that have nurses have signed saying Michael Shaivo would come to the doctors and say, "Why hasn't she died yet?  When is that bitch going to die?"  He also talked about the money he would get from the life insurance policy.

I also wouldn't consider having two kids and a common-law wife standing by her side.

Under normal situations, I would go with the husband's wishes.  However, there are a lot of things that truly make me question his intentions, and a lot of it obviously hasn't been reported.


You've been listening to waaaaay to much conservative talk radio.
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2005, 05:47:00 PM »

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Terri was walking with the assistance of parallel bars and then Michael Shiavo refused physical therapy for her.  He also refused speech therapy for her as well.

He also said in the presence of others, "I don't know what she wanted.  How in the world should I know what she would have wanted done?"  It wasn't until 7 years after the accident that he "miraculously remembered" that she would want to die.

There are sworn affidavants that have nurses have signed saying Michael Shaivo would come to the doctors and say, "Why hasn't she died yet?  When is that bitch going to die?"  He also talked about the money he would get from the life insurance policy.

I also wouldn't consider having two kids and a common-law wife standing by her side.

Under normal situations, I would go with the husband's wishes.  However, there are a lot of things that truly make me question his intentions, and a lot of it obviously hasn't been reported.


You've been listening to waaaaay to much conservative talk radio.


No joke. Those fools were spitting blood over this whole ordeal and time and time again their arguments were completely destroyed by catual fasct surfacing. smile While I enjoy listening to Limbaugh during political season (for some reason his pomposity cracks me up) him going off on this along with that weasel Hannity just pissed me off. So it was on to ESPN radio for me.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2005, 06:50:24 PM »

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You've been listening to waaaaay to much conservative propaganda.


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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2005, 07:32:37 PM »

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Terri was walking with the assistance of parallel bars and then Michael Shiavo refused physical therapy for her.  He also refused speech therapy for her as well.

He also said in the presence of others, "I don't know what she wanted.  How in the world should I know what she would have wanted done?"  It wasn't until 7 years after the accident that he "miraculously remembered" that she would want to die.

There are sworn affidavants that have nurses have signed saying Michael Shaivo would come to the doctors and say, "Why hasn't she died yet?  When is that bitch going to die?"  He also talked about the money he would get from the life insurance policy.

I also wouldn't consider having two kids and a common-law wife standing by her side.

Under normal situations, I would go with the husband's wishes.  However, there are a lot of things that truly make me question his intentions, and a lot of it obviously hasn't been reported.


You've been listening to waaaaay to much conservative talk radio.


Just because there is more information out there than what the press is reporting?  I'd rather find out the truth than have someone starve to death.  Pray that you might not become "inconvenient" to your wife.

Something is fishy with this creamation and the entire situation.

I've said my peace.  Personally I couldn't care less what you think.
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2005, 08:05:15 PM »

"inconvenient"?  She'd been a vegetable for 15 years?  Who the hell would want to stay like that???????
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2005, 08:11:51 PM »

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Just because there is more information out there than what the press is reporting?


Ad hominem arguements, each which has been proven completely and utterly wrong, stemming from frustration whipped into existance by right-wing extremists != more information.  It's just bible-thumping conservative PROPAGANDA.

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I'd rather find out the truth than have someone starve to death.


1.)  :lol: and :roll: to the notion of getting "truth" from morons like Rush Limbaugh.

2.)  Once again, she didn't die of starvation.  She died of brain damage.  Her corpse was kept alive and was allowed to 'starve' to 'death.'  Terry was dead over a decade ago.

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Pray that you might not become "inconvenient" to your wife.


No, pray you don't suffer horrible brain damage without having a living will.  Because a group of bimbos might try to keep your corpse alive, meanwhile desecrating your memory with political shenanigans and religious bullshit.

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Something is fishy with this creamation and the entire situation.


No.  There's not.  You want there to be, but there's not.  It's cognitive dissonance.  Recalibrate your logic and get over yourself.

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I've said my peace.


Said your "peace?"  Don't you mean "piece?"  Or were you really that infuriated when this sick little experiment in necromancy was brought to an end?

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Personally I couldn't care less what you think.


The neo-conservative mantra.  Terry Schiavo should be your mascot or something, as you seem to value being braindead.   :roll:
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2005, 08:16:53 PM »

I post under a few rules.  Sometimes I don't follow them completely but I'd say I strive for a 90% accuracy rate.

1) Don't be an ass to other people.  Strive to be the "happy go lucky" person you are in real life.

2) Always be open to other people's opinions, and be truthful about yours.  Admit defeat when you get beat.

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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2005, 09:11:29 PM »

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3) You are who you are, no need to lie about your life to impress internet citizens.


Are you calling Lord Ebonstone gay?  :twisted:
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3) You are who you are, no need to lie about your life to impress internet citizens.


Are you calling Lord Ebonstone gay?  :twisted:


Lol, that was funny. Maybe not staff-appropriate given that in this instance I think LE is clearly in the "right", but still quite funny  Cool
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3) You are who you are, no need to lie about your life to impress internet citizens.


Are you calling Lord Ebonstone gay?  :twisted:
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« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2005, 01:27:05 AM »

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Terri was walking with the assistance of parallel bars and then Michael Shiavo refused physical therapy for her.  He also refused speech therapy for her as well.

He also said in the presence of others, "I don't know what she wanted.  How in the world should I know what she would have wanted done?"  It wasn't until 7 years after the accident that he "miraculously remembered" that she would want to die.

There are sworn affidavants that have nurses have signed saying Michael Shaivo would come to the doctors and say, "Why hasn't she died yet?  When is that bitch going to die?"  He also talked about the money he would get from the life insurance policy.

I also wouldn't consider having two kids and a common-law wife standing by her side.

Under normal situations, I would go with the husband's wishes.  However, there are a lot of things that truly make me question his intentions, and a lot of it obviously hasn't been reported.


I daresay some of this may or may not be true, but a great number of falsehoods have been perpetuated about Michael. The above does not jive with the majority of facts I have read about how he has conducted himself. I question, in particular, if a woman with basically no cerebral cortex could be walking or benefit in any way by speech therapy.

[edited to add: after reading the whole thread, this has been better responded to by others already]
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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2005, 01:30:22 AM »

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Are you calling Lord Ebonstone gay?  :twisted:


Lol, that was funny. Maybe not staff-appropriate given that in this instance I think LE is clearly in the "right", but still quite funny  Cool


Thank you. smile I was as usual simply being a smart ass, no intentional offense to LE. smile
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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2005, 08:54:07 PM »

Once again, it looks like Graham's strong core values and deep sense of faith have allowed him to navigate unscathed through the maze of lies created by the massive liberal media / medical / judicial conspiracy.  The fact that the secularist left continues to expand the scope their pathetic conspiracy to include a seemingly-infinite number of people only demonstrates their level of desperation to do *anything* to stop the success of the Bush Administration and the widespread renewal of American faith.

I agree 100% with Graham: if Michael Schaivo loved his wife so much, why did he wait eight years before suddenly "remembering" that she wouldn't have wanted to be kept alive this way?  If that were really her wish, why wouldn't he have brought it up immediately?  Some liberals might attempt to seize the moral high ground by suggesting that no loving husband would ever suggest euthanasia as a first resort, but real Americans like Graham and I know the Truth: Michael Schaivo wanted his wife dead and was only willing to pay for her phenomenally expensive care for the better part of a decade because he just wanted to *appear* as a loving husband.

The Truth, you see, is obvious once we discard the extraordinarily well-coordinated blasphemy of the massive left-wing media / medical / judicial conspiracy: Terry Schaivo was perfectly fine following her heart attack, and it was only by the instructions of her so-called husband that she was left in bed for fifteen years, growing weaker as her muscles atrophied, until the illusion of being in a PVS was so complete that the pro-death activist judge liberals who infest our court system were finally able to pull the plug.

The Vatican was Right three weeks ago when they condemned the removal of Terri's feeding tube as "a pitiless way to kill someone."  That's because they understand that life begins at conception and continues, apparently, so long as there's cellular activity in the human body.  Life is precious, and that's why no Christian, no matter how old, how infirm, or how severely his health was failing, would *ever* turn down professional medical treatment that could extend his life indefinitely in a wonderful, thriving machine-assisted vegetative state.

This is just another example of Big Government sweeping in and decreeing how everyday Americans should live their lives...in this case, by dying at the hands of the greedy God-hating anti-life liberals who think they have the right to use lawyers, judges, and so-called "evidence" to decide whether or not someone has the right to live.  Despicable!  Here's hoping our conservative Republican heroes have the opportunity to permanently take these sorts of medical decisions away from the courts and allow congress to have the final say from this point forward!

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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2005, 09:37:12 PM »

That was awesome.  Just a tad more blatant than your usual stuff. But still, another AA-classic.
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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2005, 11:14:25 PM »

Ah, right from my mother's own litany: When in doubt, smother them with crazy.
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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2005, 12:01:28 AM »

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Terry Schaivo was perfectly fine following her heart attack


Who ever told you that was lying.
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