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« on: September 11, 2006, 01:55:46 AM »

Down 26%, perhaps as high as 35% when the year closes.  Most importantly, VALUES are falling big on the SUV's out there as people try to unload them and can't find any buyers..

http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyautoinsider/11547/suv-sales-in-reverse.html

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"We may end the year 35 percent lower than we were just two years ago," he said, adding that in 30 years in the business he had never seen a segment contract this quickly. Demand "is just not there."

Can't really say I am shedding a tear for the big three, like they didn't see this coming but chose to ignore it out of ignorance.  Funny part is, a few months back GM unveiled "The 5 vehicles that will save GM", and of the 5, 3 of them were giant gas guzzling trucks or SUVs. Clueless.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 02:04:35 AM »

There's pretty much one set of people that truly need those honkin' vehicles - soccer moms.

Everybody else... Well, let's put it this way - there's a reason why gas has been so expensive. We use way too damn much of it in our 15MPG vehicles.
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 02:18:08 AM »

Quite honestly, with 3 kids now, the vehicles we have CAN get tight, but you know what?  TOUGH LUCK!  I am not buying a semi-truck to haul around kids, they can deal with it. 

I am much much too cheap to buy a new vehicle, much less a gas hogger SUV.  We drive our cars for many years, my car is going on 9 years old, and my wifes is going on 6 years old, and we both plan to get another 4-5 more years out of each of our cars. Car payments suck, I avoid them at all costs. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2006, 03:08:37 AM »

We have two cars.  My overpowered tiny sports sedan that gets a whopping 21 MPG, and teh woman's gigantic 7 seater Brit SUV that gets... I think about 15 MPG.

We have no children or any need to haul anything, but we do have a dog.

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2006, 03:11:58 AM »

My wifes vehicle gets 29ish, mine gets 35ish.  But we never drive much and the wife works 2 miles from home. So figure 1-2 tanks of gas per month more than covers all of our driving.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2006, 03:17:01 AM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 11, 2006, 03:11:58 AM

My wifes vehicle gets 29ish, mine gets 35ish.  But we never drive much and the wife works 2 miles from home. So figure 1-2 tanks of gas per month more than covers all of our driving.

My commute is about 35 miles per day round trip.  I've thought about buying something smaller and more fuel efficient and only taking my car out on weekends, but honestly... I like driving it too much.  My commute would suck if I was in something else.

Her commute is about 16 miles round trip.

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2006, 05:32:01 AM »

Quote from: Kobra on September 11, 2006, 03:11:58 AM

My wifes vehicle gets 29ish, mine gets 35ish.  But we never drive much and the wife works 2 miles from home. So figure 1-2 tanks of gas per month more than covers all of our driving.

Lucky you - no matter where you live in Phoenix, your job is likely at the other end.  :/
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2006, 06:45:42 AM »

I wonder if the sudden downward trend in gas priceses may reverse this.

There aren't any stations in Virginia with gas above 2.90 a gallon right now.

Some stations according to www.virginiagasprices.com are even at 2.17 for regular.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 10:46:46 AM »

Gas here in the Pittsburgh area is around $2.49 a gallon.  I drive a 1995 Jeep Cherokee.  We got the jeep because we have 2 very large dogs that were tough to fit in my previous car.    I am hoping to get another 5 years out of my jeep.  Thankfully my commute is only about 14 miles roundtrip, so I still only use 2 tanks of gas a month despite getting 18 mpg.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 11:19:45 AM »

My 02' Sentra does very well on gas, and that helps because I actually make money on the mileage paid out by work, and I don't mind driving it into the ground.

Our Pickup probably gets in the low 20's which isn't bad, and we don't drive it as often. We do use it for things like mulch and what have you so it has been a very usefulk vehicle.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 12:25:44 PM »

I got rid of my last car a little over a year ago in part due to the fact it needed premium gas (though it got okay mileage)...  Since I don't care for all the sports utilites on the road, I laugh a little bit at the cost to fill one of those with gasoline.

That said, I've wanted a simple Jeep for a second vehicle for years -- it'd be fun for summertime.  Gotta sit back and watch where prices go.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2006, 03:30:58 PM »

NO ONE needs an SUV except maybe forest rangers.

Mini-vans are far more practical and get better gas mileage.

My californian neighbors have an H2.  They have 2 kids.  Reverse hippies!

I won't mourn the death of the SUV should it come. I never saw the point.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2006, 03:38:22 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 11, 2006, 02:04:35 AM

There's pretty much one set of people that truly need those honkin' vehicles - soccer moms.

Everybody else... Well, let's put it this way - there's a reason why gas has been so expensive. We use way too damn much of it in our 15MPG vehicles.

Afreakin'men brother!

Nothing makes me happier than to hear that fewer and fewer SUV's are being bought.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 04:53:36 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 11, 2006, 03:30:58 PM

My californian neighbors have an H2.  They have 2 kids.  Reverse hippies!
I saw a "Tree Hugging Dirt Worshipper" bumper sticker on the back of a Ford Expedition once...  retard
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2006, 05:26:53 PM »

We got an SUV for my wife a couple of years ago, I just could not convince her of the value of the minivan. She wouldn't even test drive one. Since th SUV we got is basically a mini-van without the sliding doors, it isn't as bad as some on fuel consumption and wasted space, but an Odyssey would have been so much more useful, especially now that we have two dogs and a baby. Between the dog crates and the baby stuff, my wife can only get one other person in the SUV with her.

I ended up with a Civic and fuel economy was a big part of the decision.
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2006, 05:30:20 PM »

Quote from: pr0ner on September 11, 2006, 06:45:42 AM

I wonder if the sudden downward trend in gas priceses may reverse this.

There aren't any stations in Virginia with gas above 2.90 a gallon right now.

Some stations according to www.virginiagasprices.com are even at 2.17 for regular.
Unlikely.. Most people see any respite in Gas prices as temporary.

My suspicion is the big oil was withholding supply over the summer to keep prices inflated.  Suddenly when everyone started conserving, they were left with a lot of supply at the end of summer, and spoilage risks, so they flooded the market.  That, and political pressure to ease gas prices before the November Elections.  I fully EXPECT gas prices to climb back up shortly after the elections, in fact, I put money on it.

Still, $2.50+ around here, I consider a ripoff anyway, we have zero plans in ending our conservation, we've made lifestyle changes that aren't going away, so tough luck to big oil for us.  thumbsup
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2006, 05:53:54 PM »

Gasoline historically has always come down in price after Labor Day though...  Not that I think highly of the oil companies with their record profits of late, but I don't think it was anymore price inflation than it is every summer when they know people are taking more roadtrips.
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2006, 07:06:30 PM »

My parents live at 10,000 feet and get from 10-30 feet of snow every winter where they live. Without an SUV, they'd basically starve.

I bet a good 10 percent of 1 percent of the US lives like them!
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2006, 09:30:23 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 11, 2006, 07:06:30 PM

My parents live at 10,000 feet and get from 10-30 feet of snow every winter where they live. Without an SUV, they'd basically starve.

I bet a good 10 percent of 1 percent of the US lives like them!

Now those types of people I can understand having them. Or some type of 4x4 vehicle.
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2006, 09:55:43 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 11, 2006, 07:06:30 PM

My parents live at 10,000 feet and get from 10-30 feet of snow every winter where they live. Without an SUV, they'd basically starve.

I bet a good 10 percent of 1 percent of the US lives like them!
Oddly enough, a lot of people in Central Va get SUVs because we have fairly icy winters, the funny thing is that 4 x 4 is no help in extremely icy conditions. Great for snow and wet, but only chains help with ICE.

I think my next car is going to be a fully tricked out Nissan Versa, and wife really wants a Mazda 3 hatchback. Both are Gas savers, affordably priced and still look sporty, and I like Bluetooth in the Versa. We test drove a versa about 2 months back and I likey, it really is a big interior, bigger than my sentra.

Mini-vans aren't much better on gas than SUVs, a lot of those vans come with hungry V-6 engines and more horsepower than needed. You'd be surprised by how low the GPM is.
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2006, 10:14:41 PM »

They are now advertising Bummers....er Hummers as getting 20 mpg....really, 20!!! LOL

I suppose that just goes to show that advertising really is built on really silly lies...I mean they can't honestly believe that people will buy that.  They won't, buy it I mean?

edit- as for Minivans...OMG they SUCK for mileage.  Sure I can squeeze maybe 22 or 23 on the freeway but I am lucky to get 15 in the city...1999 Ford Windstar...very well kept up and very low mileage but man that thing is paid for next year and that pos is going in the trash!! 
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2006, 12:36:20 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 11, 2006, 09:30:23 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 11, 2006, 07:06:30 PM

My parents live at 10,000 feet and get from 10-30 feet of snow every winter where they live. Without an SUV, they'd basically starve.

I bet a good 10 percent of 1 percent of the US lives like them!

Now those types of people I can understand having them. Or some type of 4x4 vehicle.
My only idea, which is a bit authoritarian, is an extra tax on SUVs everywhere but places like that.

Either that or high gas prices.
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2006, 01:05:19 AM »

I can't wait for SUVs to disappear. My Totota Celica GT-S is about 2 feet off the ground so I can't see a damned thing when there is an SUV in front of me.  smile
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2006, 02:05:00 AM »

Its going to be a few years before we buy a new vehicle.   Our precondition for a roomy 5-7 passenger vehicle is 40MPG or higher. I don't even think the big three have anything like this planned.  Tals tells me they already have such a beast in the UK, I am jealous..

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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2006, 02:20:18 AM »

I don't judge people by the type of car they drive.

Yeah, and it's always a good idea to tax things that you just don't like.

I'll combine the 2 and implement a tax on Volvos.

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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2006, 02:49:26 AM »

The dream of vehicle taxation will come true - but in another form, there are already several serious proposals to "Tax" people that drive during congested times of the day, or on very busy streets.  RFID chips in the cars would bill your credit card automagically for doing such things.

https://beacon.trbot.com/read_article.aspx?id=17373&ch=infotech&sc=&pg=2

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/04/AR2005060401388.html

I remember when I saw people in Hummers years ago, I would think "Wow, thats badass,I should get one.".  Now when I see people in Hummers, the first thing that comes to my mind is "Poor fool, what has he done.".  My neighbor bought a Hummer last year JUST before the big gas price jump.  I've noticed it not moving from his driveway much these days, he picked up a $1000 Escort to drive to work.

Some people have the WORST timing with shit.. My Sister and her Redneck Husband bought a Hemi powered SUV last year - and he has a 2 hour(EACH WAY) commute to work.  5 months later, he's spending something like $50 a day in Gas, and 2 months behind on his house payment.  Worst timing, ever.

Off tangent, but we dodged the bullet big ourselves. In 2004 we were going to upgrade to double the house we have now, but elected to play it cool and just remodel/expand where we are now because this house isn't costly to maintain and is mostly paid off.  What a HUGE mistake it would have been to upgrade, the housing market around here is tanking bad, and utilities/taxes are on the rise.  Phew!
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2006, 04:47:14 AM »

Geez I wonder what people did back before SUVs and station wagons.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2006, 12:01:49 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 11, 2006, 03:30:58 PM

NO ONE needs an SUV except maybe forest rangers.

Mini-vans are far more practical and get better gas mileage.

My californian neighbors have an H2.  They have 2 kids.  Reverse hippies!

I won't mourn the death of the SUV should it come. I never saw the point.

What is an SUV - I keep seeing comments regarding this but must be a US term - equivalent to 4x4's?

Regarding the Mini Van - do you mean People Carriers, in Europe you wouldn't tend to go for a mini van but people carriers with options of 7/8 adult passengers and flexibility of seat patterns are pretty popular. We also have diesel over here - which I understand is less popular there? So economy even on a 7 seater people carrier  is around the 44mpg.

Example of a people carrier - mine tbh
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/alhambra/site/main.html

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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2006, 12:51:02 PM »

SUV is short for Sports Utility Vehicle.  I'd say it's equivalent to 4x4s (though most out on our roads don't ever use four wheel drive).  Here they have become almost a status symbol amongst those who don't want to drive around in a station wagon or minivan.  There are certainly cases where people need them -- Eduardo X's parents for example.  Personally I do like them, but driving around in a regular passenger vehicle ends up feeling more treacherous because now the people who can't drive have a vehicle 2x my size.
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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2006, 04:26:55 PM »

Driving an SUV seems to transform otherwise friendly people into road bullies.  If I weren't in the middle of a separation-divorce, with finances being tight, I'd unload my 1995 explorer in a heartbeat.  I'm lucky if I get 15mpg driving 66 and 495 in the DC-Virginia area every day.  I’ve actually used 4wd a lot in the rain and snow, but not enough to justify filling up with gas every 3-4 days.           
       
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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2006, 04:29:42 PM »

Quote from: Tals on September 12, 2006, 12:01:49 PM

Example of a people carrier - mine tbh
http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/alhambra/site/main.html

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2006, 04:58:27 PM »

I will translate for the Brits:

Coupe (pronounced CoupAY) = 2 door or Coupe (pronounced coop)
Saloon = 4 door or Sedan
Sports Car = Convertible
People Mover = Minivan
4x4 = SUV (though not necessarily a 4x4)

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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2006, 05:52:45 PM »

Quote from: gellar on September 12, 2006, 04:58:27 PM

I will translate for the Brits:

Coupe (pronounced CoupAY) = 2 door or Coupe (pronounced coop)
Saloon = 4 door or Sedan
Sports Car = Convertible
People Mover = Minivan
4x4 = SUV (though not necessarily a 4x4)

* gellar watches too much Top Gear.

Very nice - thanks. I think I prefer People Carrier to Mini-Van - yuck smile What do you US call an actual Mini-Van smile

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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2006, 05:56:52 PM »

Anything else in the states is called "Van"..  Lame, I know..
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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2006, 06:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Roguetad on September 12, 2006, 04:26:55 PM

Driving an SUV seems to transform otherwise friendly people into road bullies.  If I weren't in the middle of a separation-divorce, with finances being tight, I'd unload my 1995 explorer in a heartbeat.  I'm lucky if I get 15mpg driving 66 and 495 in the DC-Virginia area every day.  I’ve actually used 4wd a lot in the rain and snow, but not enough to justify filling up with gas every 3-4 days.           
       


Ack!  Driving on 66 and 495 every day?  I feel bad for you, man.
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2006, 07:25:33 PM »

I thought "People Mover" was a ride at Disneyland.  retard
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2006, 08:30:24 PM »

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I thought "People Mover" was a ride at Disneyland.  retard

Sadly they took it out...I miss that ride.  crybaby
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2006, 08:56:29 PM »

Quote from: ATB on September 11, 2006, 03:30:58 PM

Mini-vans are far more practical and get better gas mileage.

My wife's mini-van (Grand Caravan) gets 17 MPG.   My 4Runner gets 20 MPG.

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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2006, 11:27:14 PM »

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There is no such thing as too much Top Gear.

I agree that there is no such thing as too much Top Gear, and as such I will refer you to the Final Gear website where you can get torrent downloads for full episodes.  Legal and everything.  icon_biggrin
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