Steve Jobs Resigns as Apple CEO

[leo8877]

AAPL stock that was at (I think) $350 when Jobs resigned is now at $421.  Just wow. 

[Purge]

iPhone 5 anticipation?

[Isgrimnur]

I know it's a Day 1 purchase to me.  And then I can wipe my 3G and throw it into traffic.

[Devil]

Ready to field offers for my two, 32G iPhone 4!

[leo8877]

Ready to field offers for my two, 32G iPhone 4!

Devil, I want to sell some iP4s also when the new one comes out, what do you have to do to get them ready for sale?  I figure you have to restore, but do you remove the SIM card too?  Can you please let me know what process you go through? 

[Isgrimnur]

SIMs are one-shot deals, can not be moved to another account in the billing system, so there's no point in leaving them in the phone.

Not to mention, there may be stuff on them such as your phone book and text messages.  Don't hand your SIM to anyone that you wouldn't trust to hold your wallet.

[Devil]

Yeah - I wipe 'em and pull the sim.

[leo8877]

Yeah - I wipe 'em and pull the sim.

How do you pull the sim?  Do you have to get a tool from an ATT store?  My iP4 didn't have one in the box.

Also what do you do after you guys pull the SIM, do you destroy it?  Put it in the new phone?

[Isgrimnur]

Small paper clip through the hole at the top.  SIMs for iPhones go through some other weird activation process to which we at Cingular were not privy, so I don't know that you can carry it to a new iPhone.  For other types, I don't think it's an issue.  If they tell you that you can't use it, might as well destroy it.  They're plastic, so they'll break up with a bit of force or a bladed instrument. 

[Jag]

IP5 may be my first one. Going to finally make the switch from the Droid. My new car is going to have iphone apps built in, so I figure I would finally give into the hype. Hoping the 5 is a decent upgrade.

[rittchard]

I'm hearing a lot of people/friends talk about waiting for the iPhone 5, even some who I never thought would consider buying one.  What I don't get is why all of a sudden they'd have the interest, it's not like anything particularly special has been announced (or even speculated) for the 5.  AFAIK it'll just be A5 processor and 8-MP camera, probably not even 4G.  Weird.

[Isgrimnur]

AT&T just turned on the 4G in five markets this past week.  There's a dearth of devices that support it at the moment.  So yeah.  For me, the 4 would have been a substantial upgrade, but I decided to wait.  The 4 was a substantial upgrade over the 3GS, and the 3Gs people should be near upgrade eligible for the 4S/5. 

[leo8877]

Small paper clip through the hole at the top.  SIMs for iPhones go through some other weird activation process to which we at Cingular were not privy, so I don't know that you can carry it to a new iPhone.  For other types, I don't think it's an issue.  If they tell you that you can't use it, might as well destroy it.  They're plastic, so they'll break up with a bit of force or a bladed instrument. 

Thanks guys...how much do previous gen phones go for?  I imagine they still hold their value pretty good?

[Devil]

Millions.

As I said, I'm offering mine up for anyone.

[Isgrimnur]

Thanks guys...how much do previous gen phones go for?  I imagine they still hold their value pretty good?

I'd use Gazelle as a base line, then check eBay for recently completed auctions and see if private buyers are giving more.  You could use the Gazelle offer as a reserve price to ensure you get your money's worth.

[rickfc]

Thanks guys...how much do previous gen phones go for?  I imagine they still hold their value pretty good?

I'd use Gazelle as a base line, then check eBay for recently completed auctions and see if private buyers are giving more.  You could use the Gazelle offer as a reserve price to ensure you get your money's worth.

Make sure you do a search on eBay for your phone unlocked and jailbroken. Though if Apple releases the iPhone for Sprint and T-Mobile, the unlock will be worthless unless they're specifically looking for previous gen hardware.

[Montag]

Is there a way to get a cheap Iphone refurbished without using as a phone?  I want to use it for apps and wifi only.

[Biyobi]

Is there a way to get a cheap Iphone refurbished without using as a phone?  I want to use it for apps and wifi only.

I believe that's called an iPod Touch.   

You can get refurb stuff direct from Apple's online store.

[KC]

I'm hearing a lot of people/friends talk about waiting for the iPhone 5, even some who I never thought would consider buying one.  What I don't get is why all of a sudden they'd have the interest, it's not like anything particularly special has been announced (or even speculated) for the 5.  AFAIK it'll just be A5 processor and 8-MP camera, probably not even 4G.  Weird.

I would be very interested if the Verizon version is a dual-band world phone.  I'm about ready to give up on my 10+ year history with Blackberry.

[th'FOOL]

Is there a way to get a cheap Iphone refurbished without using as a phone?  I want to use it for apps and wifi only.

I gave my daughter my old iphone 3G- it's not hooked up to any account and acts as a touch just fine.

[kathode]

Can't wait for the 5.  I skipped out on the 4, so looking forward to a retina display and a camera with a flash

[DarkEL]

I know it's a Day 1 purchase to me.  And then I can wipe my 3G and throw it into traffic.

ditto for me.  except I may have someone else throw it into traffic so I can try to be the one that get's to run it over

[Purge]

Can't wait for the 5.  I skipped out on the 4, so looking forward to a retina display and a camera with a flash

Ditto.. but do I want it or a WinPho7?

[Bullwinkle]

Still loving my WP7.

[CeeKay]

latest rumors say October 4th for the reveal.  here's some grains of salt, pass them around.

[leo8877]

latest rumors say October 4th for the reveal.  here's some grains of salt, pass them around.

Seriously, I don't understand why they can't even announce a date for them to announce a release.  We know you need to release a new phone, get to it!

[ravenvii]

Though I'm anticipating whatever new iPhone is coming this fall, to see what Apple has up their sleeve, I'm increasingly anticipating WP7 Mango. It looks great, and the Nokia "Sea Ray" looks fantastic. I might very well switch, after 4 years with the iPhone.

[gellar]

I really can't ever imagine switching out of iOS to either Winmo or Android solely because of the Apps on iOS.

[Isgrimnur]

Though I'm anticipating whatever new iPhone is coming this fall, to see what Apple has up their sleeve, I'm increasingly anticipating WP7 Mango. It looks great, and the Nokia "Sea Ray" looks fantastic. I might very well switch, after 4 years with the iPhone.

I refuse to own a device that has an OS that reminds me in any way of Chris Kattan. 

[Chaz]

I really can't ever imagine switching out of iOS to either Winmo or Android solely because of the Apps on iOS.

This is exactly why I never invested in paid apps when I had an iphone, and switched to an Android phone when I could.  I really dislike the idea of being locked into a particular handset because of the money I've spent on apps.

[gellar]

I really can't ever imagine switching out of iOS to either Winmo or Android solely because of the Apps on iOS.

This is exactly why I never invested in paid apps when I had an iphone, and switched to an Android phone when I could.  I really dislike the idea of being locked into a particular handset because of the money I've spent on apps.

It's not even the fact that I have paid Apps... it's the fact that the vast, vast, vast majority of Apps are available either on iOS first or iOS exclusively. 

[kathode]

latest rumors say October 4th for the reveal.  here's some grains of salt, pass them around.

Dalrymple is very reliable.  Looking forward to it!

Seriously, I don't understand why they can't even announce a date for them to announce a release.  We know you need to release a new phone, get to it!

Wouldn't that be like an "announcement of an announcement" that we always complain about in games?   They probably want people to keep running out and buying iphone 4's right up until the last minute.

[Devil]

I really can't ever imagine switching out of iOS to either Winmo or Android solely because of the Apps on iOS.

This is exactly why I never invested in paid apps when I had an iphone, and switched to an Android phone when I could.  I really dislike the idea of being locked into a particular handset because of the money I've spent on apps.

Yeah - You solve that issue with an Android phone because there are no apps or they don't run on the version you have. 

[Isgrimnur]

I had that conversation with one of our Business Analysts today. 

She has some male techie friend that swears up and down that Android is the second coming and has convinced several of her female friends to purchase them.  And he's wound up being their unpaid support.

I told her that if she doesn't want to have to actively manage her device, Apple will likely meet most of her needs without having to worry about the relationship between Google, the device mfg, and her carrier.  Apple might provide a safe little sandbox, but as I'm sure some of you are aware, there are certain users that shouldn't be allowed out of a safe little sandbox.  They're just going to screw things up and need your help to resolve it.

[farley2k]

Apple might provide a safe little sandbox, but as I'm sure some of you are aware, there are certain users that shouldn't be allowed out of a safe little sandbox.  They're just going to screw things up and need your help to resolve it.

To be more fair they provide a huge sandbox. 

[leo8877]

Apple might provide a safe little sandbox, but as I'm sure some of you are aware, there are certain users that shouldn't be allowed out of a safe little sandbox.  They're just going to screw things up and need your help to resolve it.

To be more fair they provide a huge sandbox. 

and one that's better than anything else available! 

[gellar]

I am Moar Technical (tm) than 99% of the populace and I am more than happy to play in Apple's sandbox.  Google may give me the whole beach, but it's not as nice and often has a lot of poo in it.

[EngineNo9]

Not to get into a religious war, but I'm not sure what kind of problems you would ever have with an Android phone that you wouldn't have with any other modern phone.  I may be technical but I haven't done any crazy customizing to mine and it just works for me.  And there are plenty of apps on the Android market as well.

[gellar]

Not to get into a religious war, but I'm not sure what kind of problems you would ever have with an Android phone that you wouldn't have with any other modern phone.  I may be technical but I haven't done any crazy customizing to mine and it just works for me.  And there are plenty of apps on the Android market as well.

In Android, you can give an App you've downloaded rights to do all kinds of crap that it really should not be allowed to do.  Some people should not be given that choice.  Hell, most people should not be given that choice.

[Isgrimnur]

Allow me to share an anecdote that, to me, demonstrates the difference between the Android experience and the Apple experience.

A co-employee asked our IT guy about getting his work e-mail (Exchange) on his phone.  IT asked what version OS he had, to which he replied, 2.1.  He was advised that the minimum OS version to get Exchange service was 2.2 (due to whose requirements, I don't know). 

I asked IT what phone he had, so I went and looked up the phone (which it was I now forget).  The phone had been released less than a year prior in the U.S.  Doing some Google digging, I came across early reports that the mfg was not planning on upgrading the OS version past 2.1.  I then saw that they had backtracked, and would be releasing 2.3 for the device.  Of course, it would be 3-6 months before they had finalized it.

In cases of features with Apple, it either works or it doesn't.  If the feature was going to be part of a future update, great.  That updated OS would be available to all Apple users at the same time, and the only possible break in experience would be tied to whether or not the hardware supported it.  There would be no disconnect between when a release to the OS came out and when the mfg would officially support it, as it's one and the same company.

The user in question could likely root his phone, mess around with ROMs (?) and install said OS update himself, and spend hours managing his device like an early 90s gaming computer, and hopefully not screw it up.  All of this to hopefully get a feature that's fully supported by the OS provider, but has been withheld from him by the official mfg procedures. 

For people that want to manage their devices and play with all the nifty things that you can do, Android is great.  But there are people like me that don't are to have to manage their device to that level, and plenty of people that aren't capable of doing that without having to call someone for direct support.  Even for people that aren't going to care to actively manage their phones and just use the stock functions and marketplace, I still recommend Apple for non-power users because of the fragmentation of the Android landscape caused by that disconnect between Google, handset manufacturers, and functionality caused by their power struggles.

If and when that day changes, I'll gladly revisit it and change how I think about it.  But for right now, Apple, for the most part, "just works" because of the control they exert for the device, the OS, and yes, even the marketplace.