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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2015, 10:04:55 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on March 10, 2015, 04:44:02 PM

Don't forget when the iPad was announced there were a ton of detractors.  Many many people, reviewers and regular folk alike, were all generally pretty negative, or at best, they "didn't get it."  I saw all the same arguments: it would be obsolete in a year, there wasn't a "need" for it, it was too expensive, etc etc.  And look at how it fared regardless.  

Granted you might argue this is a very different animal since it's entering a market that pre-exists.  But then again, I could argue that was the same with the original iPhone.  Like them or hate them, Apple knows what they are doing.  More importantly, they are willing and able to adapt to user feedback, and continue to improve their products on all fronts, software/OS, apps and hardware.  

My prediction: they will sell like hotcakes and there will be no stock available for the first few months. You'll see famous stars wearing the gold ones on TV and movies.  By Christmas it will be the hot ticket item.  


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I would never bet against apple but I am skeptical. I was wrong about the ipad but the ipad really did something new and had no real competition. Android watches have a huge headstart and so far the Apple watch doesn't seem to do anything special that the Android watches don't. The fact that a iphone is required means that a huge swath of the population won't be able to buy one even if they wanted to.
Obviously it isn't going to fail. But I don't see it selling like hotcakes (is there a definable number for that?) and I wouldn't touch the first gen with a 10 foot pole.
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2015, 01:18:28 PM »

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Obviously it isn't going to fail. [..] and I wouldn't touch the first gen with a 10 foot pole.

This is why I don't own an MS Band / or any other one. I'm OK with letting the market mature first - I am always concerned with the
"one year obsolete" risk. That said, the only thing I wear on my wrists right now are bracelets (generally casual) and that is more for sentimental value. I also have +2 Bracers of Defense, and the last thing I want is to replace that with +4 iWatch of Distraction (nevermind the sheer cost of getting an iPhone, AND the iWatch).
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2015, 01:19:23 PM »

That Apple Pay? You guys in the States (in any of the ones I've been to) don't even have chip support or Tap 2 Pay. I can imagine the spotty support that Apple Pay will get.
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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2015, 02:47:30 PM »

When I was at the store last week the store had Paypal as an option on the checkout register.  Thought it was odd that we got Paypal before chips.  I finally got a card with a chip, too bad unless I go traveling that feature is wasted.
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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2015, 04:38:06 PM »

Chip card (EMV) deadline for financial institutions is October 2015. After that, the onus of fraud losses shifts to them.  Even if not everyone makes it by then, they'll be moving forward on it.  

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So why has the U.S. not embraced EMV sooner? Part of the reason is because our fraud problem, while significant, has typically been among the lowest rates among highly-developed economically-mature countries. Much of that is due to the online authentication methods at work here. . In Englandís old offline authentication method, credit card transactions were gathered together at specific times Ė typically, at the end of the business day Ė and then batched over to the card issuers for authorization. Itís a method that gave those committing fraud a significant time lag between the transaction and the authorization, and this time lag contributed greatly to the higher levels of fraudulent activities in England. Here at home, our online authentication methodology permits authorizations to be done in real-time, thus thwarting a significant percentage of the fraudulent attempts at the point of sale, the best place to stop fraud. Our online authentication methods also incorporate multiple fraud and risk parameters as well as advanced neural networks that are Ďbuilt-iní to the approval process. Itís been a highly effective system that works well when compared to most alternatives.

I work for an FI of under $1B assets, and it's on our roadmap for this year.  The insurance agencies that insure FIs against fraud are going to make it expensive for those that aren't in complaince, I'm sure.
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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2015, 04:49:31 PM »

The bank I use for debit and one credit card (Chase) actually removed all the RFID pay chips from their cards last year because nobody used them and everybody saw it as a security risk. 

I have no idea if that was some old, less secure standard or what, but I personally never used it so I didn't mind. 
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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2015, 04:57:27 PM »

Yeah, the RFID chips were a bad idea without being able to control access.  The new chips require physical contact in the terminal.

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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2015, 05:07:20 PM »

Quote from: Purge on March 11, 2015, 01:19:23 PM

That Apple Pay? You guys in the States (in any of the ones I've been to) don't even have chip support or Tap 2 Pay. I can imagine the spotty support that Apple Pay will get.

Errr it's already been in McDonald's for quite a while and I've used it there all the time.  Also used it at Big 5 a while back.  They just announced another batch of vendors that are using it too.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2834669/the-ultimate-guide-on-how-and-where-to-use-apple-pay.html

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« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2015, 02:05:21 PM »

Quote from: Lee on March 10, 2015, 08:37:22 PM

Sure if you and your buddy want to send dick pictures to each other for hours, the battery is not going to last...

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« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2015, 01:46:17 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on March 11, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

Quote from: Purge on March 11, 2015, 01:19:23 PM

That Apple Pay? You guys in the States (in any of the ones I've been to) don't even have chip support or Tap 2 Pay. I can imagine the spotty support that Apple Pay will get.

Errr it's already been in McDonald's for quite a while and I've used it there all the time.  Also used it at Big 5 a while back.  They just announced another batch of vendors that are using it too.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2834669/the-ultimate-guide-on-how-and-where-to-use-apple-pay.html



If I have to

A) own your product (and not be able to get it anywhere else)
B) check a list of retailers who support it

then no.

I don't use the wallet feature on my phone either.
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« Reply #50 on: March 13, 2015, 01:57:14 AM »

Apple Pay is fantastic and super easy to use.  I use it everywhere that I can and I've never looked at a website to see where it's accepted.
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« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2015, 03:44:28 AM »

Quote from: Purge on March 13, 2015, 01:46:17 AM

Quote from: rittchard on March 11, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

Quote from: Purge on March 11, 2015, 01:19:23 PM

That Apple Pay? You guys in the States (in any of the ones I've been to) don't even have chip support or Tap 2 Pay. I can imagine the spotty support that Apple Pay will get.

Errr it's already been in McDonald's for quite a while and I've used it there all the time.  Also used it at Big 5 a while back.  They just announced another batch of vendors that are using it too.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2834669/the-ultimate-guide-on-how-and-where-to-use-apple-pay.html



If I have to

A) own your product (and not be able to get it anywhere else)
B) check a list of retailers who support it

then no.

I don't use the wallet feature on my phone either.

No checking websites, if you see a terminal with the wifi symbol, it works. Except maybe CVS/Riteaid who had it, but turned it off because of Apple Pay (because they are on the CurrentC bandwagon). Plus it's not accepted at that many places yet, I tend to shop at the same old places, so I know who has it and who doesn't. It's so easy to use, and secure, there is no reason not to use it when I can. It stops stores from tracking you with your CC number for instance. They don't need that in their databases.

Of course local Whole Foods type gourmet grocery store across the street has it, but still requires a signature. It's pointless because they don't need it, but it's not that big of a deal. I just scribble something illegible.

Samsung is coming out with their version soon, and I think I read Google is redoing Wallet. This could very well catch on.
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« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2015, 11:40:16 AM »

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 03:44:28 AM

Quote from: Purge on March 13, 2015, 01:46:17 AM

Quote from: rittchard on March 11, 2015, 05:07:20 PM

Quote from: Purge on March 11, 2015, 01:19:23 PM

That Apple Pay? You guys in the States (in any of the ones I've been to) don't even have chip support or Tap 2 Pay. I can imagine the spotty support that Apple Pay will get.

Errr it's already been in McDonald's for quite a while and I've used it there all the time.  Also used it at Big 5 a while back.  They just announced another batch of vendors that are using it too.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2834669/the-ultimate-guide-on-how-and-where-to-use-apple-pay.html



If I have to

A) own your product (and not be able to get it anywhere else)
B) check a list of retailers who support it

then no.

I don't use the wallet feature on my phone either.

No checking websites, if you see a terminal with the wifi symbol, it works. Except maybe CVS/Riteaid who had it, but turned it off because of Apple Pay (because they are on the CurrentC bandwagon). Plus it's not accepted at that many places yet, I tend to shop at the same old places, so I know who has it and who doesn't. It's so easy to use, and secure, there is no reason not to use it when I can. It stops stores from tracking you with your CC number for instance. They don't need that in their databases.

Of course local Whole Foods type gourmet grocery store across the street has it, but still requires a signature. It's pointless because they don't need it, but it's not that big of a deal. I just scribble something illegible.

Samsung is coming out with their version soon, and I think I read Google is redoing Wallet. This could very well catch on.

The only place that I have used it is Whole Foods (one time), and I didn't have to sign.

In fact, it is so easy that it doesn't feel secure at all.

But if there are multiple versions of these things and different ones work at different stores, I don't see how this'll catch on at all.  I've looked at the checkout devices and they all have different googahs on them.  Some work with ApplePay, some don't.  I can't keep track of what does and doesn't.  It's easier for me to just do what I'm used to with a credit card than to ask the person at the register who will likely have no idea or to just try it and look like an idiot or be told "No" with a potentially condescending look.

ApplePay has ease of use if you can actually get past the unease of confusion and anxiety.
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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2015, 01:43:04 PM »

They use different systems? I didn't know that. Aren't Google Wallet and Apple Pay on the same system (NFC), so you should be able to use either when you see the NFC symbol? I remember reading when CVS shut it off because of Apple Pay, it also shut off Google Wallet as well.
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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2015, 02:54:40 PM »

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 01:43:04 PM

They use different systems? I didn't know that. Aren't Google Wallet and Apple Pay on the same system (NFC), so you should be able to use either when you see the NFC symbol? I remember reading when CVS shut it off because of Apple Pay, it also shut off Google Wallet as well.

As I understand it, it's not about the NFC, it's about the proprietary smart wallet stuff.  They can both technically connect, I guess, but if a store is aligned with one and not the other, it won't work.  So far the dividing line seems to be between Apple Pay and CurrentC, which I don't think is even out yet.  Many stores are already aligned with that, though, and aren't taking ApplePay as a result.  Wal-Mart is one of them.  If you go into a Wal-Mart, you may well see an NFC thingie at checkout, but you can't use ApplePay.
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« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2015, 04:16:19 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2015, 02:54:40 PM

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 01:43:04 PM

They use different systems? I didn't know that. Aren't Google Wallet and Apple Pay on the same system (NFC), so you should be able to use either when you see the NFC symbol? I remember reading when CVS shut it off because of Apple Pay, it also shut off Google Wallet as well.

As I understand it, it's not about the NFC, it's about the proprietary smart wallet stuff.  They can both technically connect, I guess, but if a store is aligned with one and not the other, it won't work.  So far the dividing line seems to be between Apple Pay and CurrentC, which I don't think is even out yet.  Many stores are already aligned with that, though, and aren't taking ApplePay as a result.  Wal-Mart is one of them.  If you go into a Wal-Mart, you may well see an NFC thingie at checkout, but you can't use ApplePay.

Most of the existing ones use NFC as I understand it.  CurrentC (which will fail miserably imo) uses an app which produces a QR code that the cashier needs to scan.  CVS, et al turned off all the NFC terminals when Apple Pay was launched in hopes it would not gain traction.  In doing so, they also disabled google wallet etc.  There is no way to explicitly turn off Apple Pay and still use NFC (as I understand it).
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« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2015, 04:24:55 PM »

Samsung pay should be interesting since I believe it uses regular card reading which is basically everywhere. Since Samsung bought http://www.looppay.com/
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« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2015, 04:58:12 PM »

Quote from: SkyLander on March 13, 2015, 04:24:55 PM

Samsung pay should be interesting since I believe it uses regular card reading which is basically everywhere. Since Samsung bought http://www.looppay.com/

But it's Samsung. Tongue I am not sure how much I trust them. Of course I just HATE my Samsung TV so I might be biased. They are not good at software if their smart TVs are of any evidence.

CurrentC stands a chance just because of Walmart I think. They are such a market force, and if they make it worth using the system for price discounts, loyalty programs,  and coupons it could catch on. Of course, with having to link your checking account to their service, it seems to be asking for trouble.
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« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2015, 05:02:17 PM »

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 04:58:12 PM

Quote from: SkyLander on March 13, 2015, 04:24:55 PM

Samsung pay should be interesting since I believe it uses regular card reading which is basically everywhere. Since Samsung bought http://www.looppay.com/

But it's Samsung. Tongue I am not sure how much I trust them. Of course I just HATE my Samsung TV so I might be biased. They are not good at software if their smart TVs are of any evidence.

CurrentC stands a chance just because of Walmart I think. They are such a market force, and if they make it worth using the system for price discounts, loyalty programs,  and coupons it could catch on. Of course, with having to link your checking account to their service, it seems to be asking for trouble.

I forgot about the checking account part.  I just don't see how anyone uses that system.
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« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2015, 05:10:07 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2015, 04:16:19 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2015, 02:54:40 PM

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 01:43:04 PM

They use different systems? I didn't know that. Aren't Google Wallet and Apple Pay on the same system (NFC), so you should be able to use either when you see the NFC symbol? I remember reading when CVS shut it off because of Apple Pay, it also shut off Google Wallet as well.

As I understand it, it's not about the NFC, it's about the proprietary smart wallet stuff.  They can both technically connect, I guess, but if a store is aligned with one and not the other, it won't work.  So far the dividing line seems to be between Apple Pay and CurrentC, which I don't think is even out yet.  Many stores are already aligned with that, though, and aren't taking ApplePay as a result.  Wal-Mart is one of them.  If you go into a Wal-Mart, you may well see an NFC thingie at checkout, but you can't use ApplePay.

Most of the existing ones use NFC as I understand it.  CurrentC (which will fail miserably imo) uses an app which produces a QR code that the cashier needs to scan.  CVS, et al turned off all the NFC terminals when Apple Pay was launched in hopes it would not gain traction.  In doing so, they also disabled google wallet etc.  There is no way to explicitly turn off Apple Pay and still use NFC (as I understand it).

Having NFC is just how it connects, I think. 

It's like having a card swiper at checkout but not accepting American Express, for example.  Sure, technically, the machine could read an American Express card, but if the store isn't accepting the card, you're out of luck.

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« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2015, 05:57:11 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2015, 05:10:07 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2015, 04:16:19 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2015, 02:54:40 PM

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 01:43:04 PM

They use different systems? I didn't know that. Aren't Google Wallet and Apple Pay on the same system (NFC), so you should be able to use either when you see the NFC symbol? I remember reading when CVS shut it off because of Apple Pay, it also shut off Google Wallet as well.

As I understand it, it's not about the NFC, it's about the proprietary smart wallet stuff.  They can both technically connect, I guess, but if a store is aligned with one and not the other, it won't work.  So far the dividing line seems to be between Apple Pay and CurrentC, which I don't think is even out yet.  Many stores are already aligned with that, though, and aren't taking ApplePay as a result.  Wal-Mart is one of them.  If you go into a Wal-Mart, you may well see an NFC thingie at checkout, but you can't use ApplePay.

Most of the existing ones use NFC as I understand it.  CurrentC (which will fail miserably imo) uses an app which produces a QR code that the cashier needs to scan.  CVS, et al turned off all the NFC terminals when Apple Pay was launched in hopes it would not gain traction.  In doing so, they also disabled google wallet etc.  There is no way to explicitly turn off Apple Pay and still use NFC (as I understand it).

Having NFC is just how it connects, I think. 

It's like having a card swiper at checkout but not accepting American Express, for example.  Sure, technically, the machine could read an American Express card, but if the store isn't accepting the card, you're out of luck.



Yes but when CVS turned off their NFC readers after Apple Pay launched, it stopped all NFC payments.  Alternately, Peet's coffee (here in SF bay) is not an Apple Pay "partner", but they have NFC terminals and my Apple Pay works just fine there.
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« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2015, 06:21:15 PM »

No thanks, and I really do like apple products.
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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2015, 06:22:57 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2015, 05:57:11 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2015, 05:10:07 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2015, 04:16:19 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2015, 02:54:40 PM

Quote from: Lee on March 13, 2015, 01:43:04 PM

They use different systems? I didn't know that. Aren't Google Wallet and Apple Pay on the same system (NFC), so you should be able to use either when you see the NFC symbol? I remember reading when CVS shut it off because of Apple Pay, it also shut off Google Wallet as well.

As I understand it, it's not about the NFC, it's about the proprietary smart wallet stuff.  They can both technically connect, I guess, but if a store is aligned with one and not the other, it won't work.  So far the dividing line seems to be between Apple Pay and CurrentC, which I don't think is even out yet.  Many stores are already aligned with that, though, and aren't taking ApplePay as a result.  Wal-Mart is one of them.  If you go into a Wal-Mart, you may well see an NFC thingie at checkout, but you can't use ApplePay.

Most of the existing ones use NFC as I understand it.  CurrentC (which will fail miserably imo) uses an app which produces a QR code that the cashier needs to scan.  CVS, et al turned off all the NFC terminals when Apple Pay was launched in hopes it would not gain traction.  In doing so, they also disabled google wallet etc.  There is no way to explicitly turn off Apple Pay and still use NFC (as I understand it).

Having NFC is just how it connects, I think. 

It's like having a card swiper at checkout but not accepting American Express, for example.  Sure, technically, the machine could read an American Express card, but if the store isn't accepting the card, you're out of luck.



Yes but when CVS turned off their NFC readers after Apple Pay launched, it stopped all NFC payments.  Alternately, Peet's coffee (here in SF bay) is not an Apple Pay "partner", but they have NFC terminals and my Apple Pay works just fine there.

I'm just trying to clear up the "different systems" vs "NFC" confusion.

Obviously, if you disable a card swipe machine, it would disable all cards being swiped not just American Express, as in my previous example.
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« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2015, 06:28:29 PM »

I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.
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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2015, 06:36:12 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on March 13, 2015, 06:28:29 PM

I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

^^ Price past the "Sport" model is, well just ridiculous. And the sport just being overpriced.
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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2015, 06:38:44 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on March 13, 2015, 06:28:29 PM

I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

Sir Jony is on record saying no round face because it cuts out too much space for the main purpose of reading text.
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« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2015, 06:46:37 PM »

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Quote from: wonderpug on March 13, 2015, 06:28:29 PM

I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

Sir Jony is on record saying no round face because it cuts out too much space for the main purpose of reading text.

Which is silly because you can display just as much text on a round face, just with more extra screen on the edges.  I've fiddled with a friend's Moto 360 which looks pretty slick and manages to be round without the world crashing down around it.

I'll eat my hat if Apple doesn't release a round one in a few years, and maybe by then I'll want one.
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« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2015, 06:47:35 PM »

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Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2015, 06:38:44 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on March 13, 2015, 06:28:29 PM

I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

Sir Jony is on record saying no round face because it cuts out too much space for the main purpose of reading text.

Which is silly because you can display just as much text on a round face, just with more extra screen on the edges.  I've fiddled with a friend's Moto 360 which looks pretty slick and manages to be round without the world crashing down around it.

I'll eat my hat if Apple doesn't release a round one in a few years, and maybe by then I'll want one.

I'd wager all the other manufacturers will switch to rectangular faces to copy Apple.
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« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2015, 06:51:03 PM »

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I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

Sir Jony is on record saying no round face because it cuts out too much space for the main purpose of reading text.

Which is silly because you can display just as much text on a round face, just with more extra screen on the edges.  I've fiddled with a friend's Moto 360 which looks pretty slick and manages to be round without the world crashing down around it.

I'll eat my hat if Apple doesn't release a round one in a few years, and maybe by then I'll want one.

I'd wager all the other manufacturers will switch to rectangular faces to copy Apple.

Let's make this interesting and turn it into a real wager.  In 3 year's time we'll see who's right, and the winner gets rittchard's watch.
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« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2015, 06:52:12 PM »

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I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

Sir Jony is on record saying no round face because it cuts out too much space for the main purpose of reading text.

Which is silly because you can display just as much text on a round face, just with more extra screen on the edges.  I've fiddled with a friend's Moto 360 which looks pretty slick and manages to be round without the world crashing down around it.

I'll eat my hat if Apple doesn't release a round one in a few years, and maybe by then I'll want one.

I'd wager all the other manufacturers will switch to rectangular faces to copy Apple.

Let's make this interesting and turn it into a real wager.  In 3 year's time we'll see who's right, and the winner gets rittchard's watch.

It's a deal!  nod
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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2015, 07:28:00 PM »

I anxiously await Rittchard's new obsession with Apple Watch games slywink
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« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2015, 08:01:34 PM »

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I anxiously await Rittchard's new obsession with Apple Watch games slywink

LMAO you guys are hilarious!

But yeah seriously I keep wondering if there's going to be some Clash of Clans style game that interfaces with the watch and alerts you when people are attacking or something.  So in the middle of a meeting I can tell all my soldiers to defend my castle and then send a few ninjas to steal gold from Hark.   ninja ninja ninja
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« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2015, 08:24:16 PM »

I found the $12k price for the upper upper end surprising.  If I'm paying $12k for a time piece, it wouldn't be for a tech time piece that is obsolete after a year or 2....
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« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2015, 09:30:54 PM »

I have heard a few Apple bloggers/podcasters's state that they don't think this will be on a frequent upgrade cycle like the iPhone and iPad. One, it's too expensive. Two, there isn't much to upgrade until technology gets a lot better, which will take a few years. It doesn't need an incredibly fast processor, 8gb is enough storage, etc.

The thing I keep hearing about the 360 is that it is huge. It has to be to display a readable font big enough for a round display. Being round it loses a lot of area a square has, and it needs to get as much text in and try to get it to fit in the center. Not to mention the black bar. A common response from people at the Apple event is that the Apple Watch is smaller than they expected. I think that might be a big factor in the long run. The Apple Watch can convey adequate information without being huge. I do think round looks better, but for displaying information without being gigantic, a square makes more sense.

But really this doesn't matter. A recent poll stated that only 13% of non iPhone users would consider a switch to iOS because of the watch (sorry no link, saw it on Twitter sometime earlier today). If you are an Andropiod user, you have all the options in the world. iOS users have the Apple Watch or the Pebble. The two aren't really in the same market.
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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2015, 09:58:01 PM »

Here is the link to the poll I mentioned above.

Apple hate is so funny. This article is getting tons of re-tweets because the headline stating that 69% of American's are not shopping for an Apple Watch (the article itself is pretty positive, but the headline is negative). If 31% are considering buying one, that is over 97m people that are at least thinking about it. And then once it comes out and people start seeing it in public, it could grow. And then you have China...

If nothing else, whether you like the idea of the watch or not, how this whole thing plays out will be fascinating.
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« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2015, 03:05:33 AM »

Quote from: wonderpug on March 13, 2015, 06:28:29 PM

I'm just a pseudo Apple fanboy, I don't drool over every Apple announcement and upgrade everything yearly, but I am fairly well equipped with a suite of iStuff.

I could see myself eventually being interested in a smart watch of some sort, but this first gen Apple one is too expensive and too ugly for me.  Someone poke me when they have a cheaper, thinner one with a circular face and better features and battery life.

I had (have) an iPod Touch that I won in a raffle. Liked it well enough except for iTunes. That's the extent of my experience with Apple -- good hardware, shitty software.

Oh wait: I was in charge of the conversion of Caesar II for the iMac back in the late '90s. I had to learn Apple's OS for that. Hated the missing floppy drive and the one-button mouse (how the hell do you port a PC game with no right clicking?), but Apple's refusal to use virtual memory was the worst. That experience poisoned my opinion of Apple forever more. Plus my sister-in-law's a huge Apple fan and I don't like her.
 
I already have a watch.

Yeah, not the demographic here.  icon_lol
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« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2015, 04:36:19 AM »

Lol Iron. 

FWIW I still hate iTunes.

I have an iphone and iPad and really like both, I am not sold on the watch at all.
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« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2015, 12:29:21 PM »

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Chip card (EMV) deadline for financial institutions is October 2015. After that, the onus of fraud losses shifts to them.  Even if not everyone makes it by then, they'll be moving forward on it.  

This is not correct. The shift of liability is going to the issuers who continue to issue non-EMV cards, and the merchants/retailers who do not accept EMV cards. Trust me that there will be plenty in both category who aren't hitting that deadline.
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« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2015, 12:33:20 PM »

Quote from: Purge on March 11, 2015, 01:19:23 PM

That Apple Pay? You guys in the States (in any of the ones I've been to) don't even have chip support or Tap 2 Pay. I can imagine the spotty support that Apple Pay will get.

Apple Pay is pretty interesting. It's actually using old (not EMV) contactless card technology. It was never highly adopted here, but many PIN pads in the wild already support it (from a hardware perspective). It's basically using old tech in a slightly more advanced (secure) way (tokenization). It's a shrewd way for Apple to get wide acceptance of their payment without forcing merchants to upgrade hardware. 
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