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« on: January 14, 2007, 08:55:42 PM »

I hadn't seen this since I was about 12 years old, shortly after it first came out. My sons and I had recently watched a few of the original Star Trek episodes and they noticed the movie at the library. I didn't remember much of it but they loved the old Star Trek episodes we'd watched so this seemed like a good bed, right?

Wow. This movie was terrible.

First, "The Motion Picture". Okay. Yeah we get it. Is this so people think they didn't slip a TV episode into the theaters?

Then the long, long, long scenes where nothing is happening except flying around the Enterprise on a shuttle, or flying through 2001 inspired trippy light shows. And the shots of the crew looking awe-inspired. They could have cut 30 minutes from the movie just by shortening some of those scenes.

Then "Presenting Persis Khambatta" the bald chick. Enough said about her.

The movie didn't feel like Star Trek at all. It's like they saw the success of Star Wars and decided they must release a big-scale Star Trek movie to ride that gravy train. There were almost no character interactions. I felt sad for McCoy, forced to stand around the deck and make crabby comments.

And last, "The human adventure has just begun." Nice grandiose way to end a bloated, grandiose movie.

By about the 8th long scene of psychedelic effects my sons (7, 9 & 10) all wandered off to watch my wife play Viva Pinata.

I'm going to have a difficult time convincing them that The Wrath of Khan is really good. I haven't seen it in over 10 years - it is still really good right?
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2007, 08:57:26 PM »

Khan is the best Star Trek movie.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2007, 09:03:27 PM »

Khan will always be the best Star Trek movie.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2007, 09:16:09 PM »

Quote from: SkyLander on January 14, 2007, 09:03:27 PM

Khan will always be the best Star Trek movie.

That is the best out of all of them my all time favorite Khan is just a badass.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2007, 09:17:48 PM »

They all sucked.. Not even worth a rental.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 09:22:34 PM »

The one with the borg was pretty good.

I think that was the last one I saw.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2007, 09:23:34 PM »

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Watch it first...nostalgia ain't what it used to be. slywink
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 10:25:54 PM »

Except in the case of Wrath of Khan, it really is. That, and First Contact are the two top Star Trek movies in my mind.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 10:27:07 PM »

The first movie is somewhat hamstrung by the fact that it was an expanded script from what was supposed to be a new series with the original actors.  The success of the original show in syndication lead to Paramount funding the new series with new uniforms, etc., for a mid-70's comback.  However, the success of Star Wars lead to a last minute decision to make a movie instead and they only had a few scripts complete.  Roddenberry also apparently felt they needed to stay away from typical action sci-fi since that was not what Star Trek was about and choose a more sedate story.

The later movies are better if only because they knew they were making movies from the beginning and they realized they needed to fill the two hours better.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 11:02:23 PM »

My personal favorite is "The Undiscovered Country" (yes, I know, heresy to suggest other than the Wrath of Khan). After that I'd put First Contact and Wrath of Khan similarly matched up on the quality scale.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 11:16:56 PM »

Was this the director's cut DVD? I haven't seen it but I heard it improved the pacing a lot.

As for Wrath of Khan, time hasn't been kind to the production values.  Khan had a substantially lower budget than the first movie and it shows.  While some of the ILM effects still hold up pretty well, the sets, costumes, etc feel pretty low budget.  But the rest of the movie still kicks all kinds of ass and James Horner's score rocks. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 11:27:16 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 14, 2007, 11:16:56 PM

Was this the director's cut DVD? I haven't seen it but I heard it improved the pacing a lot.

Yeah that's the one we watched.  I can't imagine what the original must have been like if this was improved.

The cool thing was we'd just watched The Trouble With Tribbles last week (with the "old" Klingons) and so I had to explain that the creatures at the start of The Motion Picture were the "real" Klingons.  That was probably the best scene in the whole movie.
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2007, 01:29:29 AM »

Quote from: warning on January 14, 2007, 11:27:16 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 14, 2007, 11:16:56 PM

Was this the director's cut DVD? I haven't seen it but I heard it improved the pacing a lot.

Yeah that's the one we watched.  I can't imagine what the original must have been like if this was improved.

The cool thing was we'd just watched The Trouble With Tribbles last week (with the "old" Klingons) and so I had to explain that the creatures at the start of The Motion Picture were the "real" Klingons.  That was probably the best scene in the whole movie.

They aren't "real" Klingons, they are Klingons. It's explained in a rather good episode of Enterprise. And for the record, TMP is very weak. Its slow, plodding, not very Star Trek like in many ways, and probably my least favorite film
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 01:38:38 AM »

After 2-3 attempts, I still haven't managed to make it through all of Star Trek I.  Khan is probably the best as far as actual quality as a film, but Star Trek IV (where they go to San Francisco) is my personal favorite.  Even people who generally don't like sci-fi movies can have a good time with that one.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2007, 01:49:26 AM »

Even-numbered movies == good (Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact).
Odd-numbered movies == bad (TMP, Search, V-Whatever-It-Was-Called, Generations).

After First Contact it all went to hell.
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 02:34:13 AM »

Quote from: Qbe on January 15, 2007, 01:49:26 AM

Even-numbered movies == good (Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact).
Odd-numbered movies == bad (TMP, Search, V-Whatever-It-Was-Called, Generations).

After First Contact it all went to hell.

Generations was kind of fun.  The last 2 were just 'meh'.  I'm waiting to see what J.J. Abrams is going to do with XI.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 03:10:25 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on January 15, 2007, 02:34:13 AM

Quote from: Qbe on January 15, 2007, 01:49:26 AM

Even-numbered movies == good (Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact).
Odd-numbered movies == bad (TMP, Search, V-Whatever-It-Was-Called, Generations).

After First Contact it all went to hell.

Generations was kind of fun.  The last 2 were just 'meh'.  I'm waiting to see what J.J. Abrams is going to do with XI.

I liked pretty much all the next gen ones. And as to your last comment, I most decidly am not. I hate the concept, and I dont want to see other actors playing those characters. Period. That has been done, movies have been made, a television series was filmed, and a cult following developed around a show, an idea, and a cast. To see that reimagined with new actors for absolutely no good reason while most of the originals are still alive and the ST universe is so rich with ideas that they could use is just godawful stupid to me, insulting, and probably blasphemous to the Trek fans. I know I will never regard whomever they put in Kirk's uniform as the real deal. Its Bill Shatner for all of time. The original idea and script for the Romulans Wars would have been brilliant-dark, gritty, fascinating. But nope, of course not, we get the bubblegum director and a new way to retcon everything we have grown to know and love. Ok now I have made myself angry.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2007, 03:16:20 AM »

Quote from: Qbe on January 15, 2007, 01:49:26 AM

Even-numbered movies == good (Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, First Contact).
Odd-numbered movies == bad (TMP, Search, V-Whatever-It-Was-Called, Generations).

After First Contact it all went to hell.

Beat me to it.

But generally the Next-Generation ones are so-so at best overall.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2007, 03:29:49 AM »

I kind of liked Generations, mainly because Malcom McDowell is pretty f'in cool.

First Contact was good.

Insurrection was absolutely horrible.  Felt like a really bad episode of the TV series. 

Nemesis- lost with me the dune buggies.  Better than Insurrection but I have no desire to ever see it again. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2007, 03:51:24 AM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 15, 2007, 03:29:49 AM

Insurrection was absolutely horrible.  Felt like a really bad episode of the TV series. 

Who could forget Riker flying the Enterprise with a Thrustmaster joystick?  icon_lol
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2007, 04:00:29 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on January 15, 2007, 03:51:24 AM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 15, 2007, 03:29:49 AM

Insurrection was absolutely horrible.  Felt like a really bad episode of the TV series. 

Who could forget Riker flying the Enterprise with a Thrustmaster joystick?  icon_lol

I liked it!
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2007, 04:29:04 AM »

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good episode of Enterprise

Does not compute.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2007, 04:59:26 AM »

Quote from: kathode on January 15, 2007, 04:29:04 AM

Quote from: Calvin on January 15, 2007, 01:29:29 AM

good episode of Enterprise

Does not compute.

I liked the two-part mirror universe episode of Enterprise but didn't watch much besides that.

How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2007, 05:01:12 AM »

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How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?

Maybe those were Cleengons? paranoid
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2007, 05:13:34 AM »

Quote from: kathode on January 15, 2007, 04:29:04 AM

Quote from: Calvin on January 15, 2007, 01:29:29 AM

good episode of Enterprise

Does not compute.

I really liked the third season of Enterprise (especially the latter half).  I really need to watch the fourth season sometime since I've heard good things about it. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2007, 05:20:05 AM »

Quote from: kathode on January 15, 2007, 04:29:04 AM

Quote from: Calvin on January 15, 2007, 01:29:29 AM

good episode of Enterprise

Does not compute.

Oh yeah, because as I remember, you have watched all of..zero of them? Certainly not more than 3. Definitely you are qualified to comment on the overall quality of a show that spans 90 episodes disgust
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2007, 07:10:06 AM »

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How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?

Gene Rodenberry said there were Northern and Souther Klingons, while others said the Klingons from the original series were genetically bred human/klingon hybrids for their PR department.
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2007, 10:57:27 AM »

I'm still scarred by the sight of those leisure-suit 70s jumpsuit uniform things they were wearing  saywhat

"To see that reimagined with new actors for absolutely no good reason while most of the originals are still alive and the ST universe is so rich with ideas that they could use is just godawful stupid to me, insulting, and probably blasphemous to the Trek fans."
I agree.  If that is indeed what they're doing, I have no idea what they're thinking.  Pretty much every effort to make old TV shows into new movies has failed miserably, and I can't see this being any different.

"How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?"
As a result of failed experiments to create Klingon Augments (like Khan and his followers) and a Klingon plague, many Klingons lost their forehead ridges, which are the ones we see in TOS.  Over time, the condition reversed itself, which is why they once again have them in the newer series.
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2007, 12:56:40 PM »

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Quote from: warning on January 15, 2007, 04:59:26 AM

How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?
Gene Rodenberry said there were Northern and Souther Klingons, while others said the Klingons from the original series were genetically bred human/klingon hybrids for their PR department.

"We do not talk about that time in our history." - something like that, via Worf in Next Generation. smile
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2007, 03:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 15, 2007, 05:20:05 AM

Oh yeah, because as I remember, you have watched all of..zero of them? Certainly not more than 3. Definitely you are qualified to comment on the overall quality of a show that spans 90 episodes disgust

You = crybaby They're on my Netflix list, and you fell for my trap!  icon_twisted

Can't wait for the Abrams film.  I respect the original actors but am not up for Star Trek: The Assisted Living Frontier.  I'm very interested to see what the Lost guys do with it. 
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2007, 04:27:17 PM »

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Quote from: CeeKay on January 15, 2007, 07:10:06 AM

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How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?
Gene Rodenberry said there were Northern and Souther Klingons, while others said the Klingons from the original series were genetically bred human/klingon hybrids for their PR department.

"We do not talk about that time in our history." - something like that, via Worf in Next Generation. smile

Alright, it's time to get my DS9 fanboy hat on. Worf explained it with a throwaway line in the DS9 ep that was set in the "Trouble with Tribbles" TOS episode. The DS9 crew are sitting there and they talk to someone from the station who complains that there are bloody Klingons everywhere. They look around and see only the Fu Manchu looking guys then look back at Worf (who was wearing a hat or something) and they ask what happened.

"We do not discuss it with outsiders," says Worf.

If they actually got into specifics later with Enterprise and such then that sucks. Part of the charm from DS9 was how they referred in an off-handed manner to some of the greatest mysteries of the Star Trek universe while never filling in the gap. My favorite being the entire Breen arc. Up to that point whenever the series needed a phantom menace (ahem) they referred to the Breen.

"*unintelligible mechanical gibberish*" - Breen soldier.
"I'll hold you to that." - Weyoun.

Brilliant series. thumbsup
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Why has nobody posted this yet?



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Why has nobody posted this yet?



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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2007, 07:43:06 PM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on January 15, 2007, 04:27:17 PM

Quote from: Destructor on January 15, 2007, 12:56:40 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 15, 2007, 07:10:06 AM

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How did they explain away the change in Klingons from white guys with goatees to the current badass mofos?
Gene Rodenberry said there were Northern and Souther Klingons, while others said the Klingons from the original series were genetically bred human/klingon hybrids for their PR department.

"We do not talk about that time in our history." - something like that, via Worf in Next Generation. smile

Alright, it's time to get my DS9 fanboy hat on. Worf explained it with a throwaway line in the DS9 ep that was set in the "Trouble with Tribbles" TOS episode. The DS9 crew are sitting there and they talk to someone from the station who complains that there are bloody Klingons everywhere. They look around and see only the Fu Manchu looking guys then look back at Worf (who was wearing a hat or something) and they ask what happened.

"We do not discuss it with outsiders," says Worf.

If they actually got into specifics later with Enterprise and such then that sucks. Part of the charm from DS9 was how they referred in an off-handed manner to some of the greatest mysteries of the Star Trek universe while never filling in the gap. My favorite being the entire Breen arc. Up to that point whenever the series needed a phantom menace (ahem) they referred to the Breen.

"*unintelligible mechanical gibberish*" - Breen soldier.
"I'll hold you to that." - Weyoun.

Brilliant series. thumbsup

Well you won't get any argument from me on your sentiment. It is, to me, beyond briliant. It is the finest sci-fi series ever filmed, aired, whatever. It is just on the whole a phenomenal body of work, and I agree very much with what you said about the Breen arc and the Klingon throwaway with Worf, but Enterprise truly did explain it in a rather heartfelt and logical way that really doesn't interfere with Worf's one-liner. So I appreciated the exposition.
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2007, 08:06:21 PM »

Count me in with whiteboyskim and Calvin.

Deep Space Nine was my favorite Trek series, and taken as a whole, quite possibly my favorite TV series ever made.

I suspect that Firefly, had it gone on for a full series, would've quite possibly gone on track to best DS9 as my personal favorite show based on the consistently high quality of the season we got on DVD.

I'd also recommend that any other fans of DS9 check out the novels that have since come out to continue the story from where the show left off; basically, the books are season 8, and have actually done an excellent job of continuing the story without feeling tacked-on for the sake of milking the franchise (which I was pretty concerned would happen).
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2007, 08:36:01 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on January 15, 2007, 08:06:21 PM

Count me in with whiteboyskim and Calvin.

I'd also recommend that any other fans of DS9 check out the novels that have since come out to continue the story from where the show left off; basically, the books are season 8, and have actually done an excellent job of continuing the story without feeling tacked-on for the sake of milking the franchise (which I was pretty concerned would happen).

Absolutely agree with you, seconded.  thumbsup
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2007, 08:53:06 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on January 15, 2007, 08:06:21 PM

I'd also recommend that any other fans of DS9 check out the novels that have since come out to continue the story from where the show left off; basically, the books are season 8, and have actually done an excellent job of continuing the story without feeling tacked-on for the sake of milking the franchise (which I was pretty concerned would happen).

Hmm... sounds interesting.  What books are you talking about?
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2007, 08:53:25 PM »

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Quote from: Farscry on January 15, 2007, 08:06:21 PM

Count me in with whiteboyskim and Calvin.

I'd also recommend that any other fans of DS9 check out the novels that have since come out to continue the story from where the show left off; basically, the books are season 8, and have actually done an excellent job of continuing the story without feeling tacked-on for the sake of milking the franchise (which I was pretty concerned would happen).

Absolutely agree with you, seconded.  thumbsup

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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2007, 09:30:37 PM »

I forget the titles, I could check at home. Obviously it's important to read them in order. icon_wink
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2007, 11:17:04 PM »

Ah, the Dominion War was some of my favorite sci-fi ever on TV, until BSG that is. But DS9 still holds a special place for me, just a great series. Was sad to see it go.
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