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« Reply #120 on: February 18, 2015, 07:16:39 PM »

Does this mean we're getting

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a Jesus?
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« Reply #121 on: February 18, 2015, 09:55:31 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on February 18, 2015, 07:16:39 PM

Does this mean we're getting

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I think the bigger question is whether we are getting...

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a NEGAN!

and of course whether that ties into the fate of...

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Glen...  crybaby eek Beat that horse! 

They've certainly teased with the baseball bat.
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« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2015, 02:56:07 PM »

I think the first person you mention was already shown at the beginning of the season, just not identified.
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« Reply #123 on: February 20, 2015, 04:32:16 PM »

So if the show kills off one cast member every episode for the remainder of this season, that should eliminate the current cast so they can start all over again!  saywhat

If I wrote a parody of The Walking Dead, I'd have some fun with that angle...
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« Reply #124 on: February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM »

Tonight was odd, it turned into a plot of a bad horror movie. Not to say I didn't enjoy it, I did, it just got cheesy.

Half the charcters just disappeared during the barn scene. "OMG, I hate apple sauce soooo bad, don't make me eat it!" We searched the car, but missed the stack of license plates he is going to hang on his wall (why are they in his car when he has a house?) and the listening radar thing. Of course the windsheild wipers don't work. Abraham is driving and doesn't even notice DC is right in front of him. A battery dies while you are driving, killing the RV? And why did everyone all of sudden become so trusting? They have been burnt so many times, but this guy is nice, and cute, so it is different this time. The guy has been hiding so much, and none of them have been skeptical besides Rick.

Come on...
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« Reply #125 on: February 23, 2015, 06:53:59 PM »

Quote from: Lee on February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM

Tonight was odd, it turned into a plot of a bad horror movie. Not to say I didn't enjoy it, I did, it just got cheesy.

Half the charcters just disapperarred during the barn scene. "OMG, I hate apple sauce soooo bad, don't make me eat it!" We searched the car, but missed the stack of license plates he is going to hang on his wall (why are they in his car when he has a house?) and the listening radar thing. Of course the windsheild wipers don't work. Abraham is driving and doesn't even notice DC is right in front of him. A battery dies when you are driving, killing the RV? And why did everyone all of sudden become so trusting? They have been burnt so many times, but this guy is nice, and cute, so it is different this time. The guy has been hiding so much, and none of them have been skeptical besides Rick.

Come on...

Cute goes a long way!!!  See, first he bonds with all the girls to get an "in," then sucks up to the kids and baby; it's all part of the gay agenda, dontcha' know!  icon_biggrin

But yeah, in spite of enjoying the introduction of new characters, it did seem like some scenes were cut out or missing.  Not sure if it was intentional or not.  The transition from non-trusting to trusting seemed a little abrupt.  I think this is one of the things that the writers have the most trouble with, dealing with the entire large group when they are all together.   Often enough many of them are relegated to being in the background and the audience is wondering why xxx doesn't speak up or have an opinion.  This happened on Lost a lot.  But sometimes to move the plot forward the writers end up leaving some details on the cutting floor.  It's almost inevitable with this large of an ensemble cast.
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« Reply #126 on: February 23, 2015, 07:13:44 PM »

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But sometimes to move the plot forward the writers end up leaving some details on the cutting floor.  It's almost inevitable with this large of an ensemble cast.

Which I can understand, but I think instead of doing a whole show devoted to a minor character dying, they could have used at least half of that time to develop this plot line more. Last night's show really needed to be fleshed out a bit more, it was so abrupt it came across as very unbelievable. I mean Michonne and Daryl are the most skeptical of the bunch, and they just ignored Daryl while Michonne acts completely out of character by becoming so trusting. What happened that would sway her like that? And they didn't see anything to make them believe this place is going to be some sort of utopia, in fact the guy is acting so odd there is no reason to trust him, but they all seem to believe it, hook, line, and sinker.

Plus last nights show just had some horrible writing, the apple sauce scene was painfully bad.

I have to say, after reading your spoilers above in this thread, I am really curious of how this is going to work out though. I am looking forward to next week.
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« Reply #127 on: February 24, 2015, 01:03:47 PM »

Well, again, Lee, I don't agree with you.  I don't think the writing on this episode was bad at all.  The applesauce scene was there for two reasons.  1. To emphasize how Rick couldn't trust anymore (which was the theme of the episode) and to sneak in some Aaron characterization.  That was the first indication that he was gay. 

Looking at some other points:


Quote from: Lee on February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM


Half the charcters just disappeared during the barn scene.

Rick spread them out, purposefully.  He made a point of it.  But, as we learned, there wasn't anyone else out there, and so nothing happened to those characters.  So there was no dramatic point to follow them.  The episode was about what was happening in the barn.

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We searched the car, but missed the stack of license plates he is going to hang on his wall (why are they in his car when he has a house?) and the listening radar thing.

They didn't miss them.  Rick wasn't there when they searched the car.  Glen was on lookout while they did.  There just wasn't anything to report.  He had license plates.  So what?  The listening device they could have mentioned, but as Aaron said, he'd already told them he was watching them.  He knew everyone's names.  It shouldn't have been a surprise.  As for why the plates were in the car, where do you think he was when he found those plates?  They've clearly been out searching for people for a while now.  Rick's group was the first viable one they'd come across.  Seems like those plates are all from the search.

Quote from: Lee on February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM

Of course the windsheild wipers don't work.

I have no response for this.  That was dumb.

Quote from: Lee on February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM

Abraham is driving and doesn't even notice DC is right in front of him.
Have you ever been driving for a long period?  Especially a giant vehicle?  Especially on roads that have proven to have surprise zombie herds on them?  I think we can forgive him for not staring off in the distance.

Quote from: Lee on February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM

A battery dies while you are driving, killing the RV?
By this point in the zombpocalypse, these batteries have got to be in a sorry state.  Batteries can absolutely die while driving (although the alternator may have been the issue instead, from what I understand).  I'm not sure why this is an issue. 

Quote from: Lee on February 23, 2015, 08:13:17 AM

And why did everyone all of sudden become so trusting? They have been burnt so many times, but this guy is nice, and cute, so it is different this time. The guy has been hiding so much, and none of them have been skeptical besides Rick.

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But sometimes to move the plot forward the writers end up leaving some details on the cutting floor.  It's almost inevitable with this large of an ensemble cast.
Which I can understand, but I think instead of doing a whole show devoted to a minor character dying, they could have used at least half of that time to develop this plot line more. Last night's show really needed to be fleshed out a bit more, it was so abrupt it came across as very unbelievable. I mean Michonne and Daryl are the most skeptical of the bunch, and they just ignored Daryl while Michonne acts completely out of character by becoming so trusting. What happened that would sway her like that? And they didn't see anything to make them believe this place is going to be some sort of utopia, in fact the guy is acting so odd there is no reason to trust him, but they all seem to believe it, hook, line, and sinker.

The previous 2 episodes are what happened to make them trusting.  Those two episodes were developing this plot more all along. The one-two punch of the not-at-all minor character dying and the starvation/dehydration/storm/horde really brought them low.  They are in a desperate state.  It's not just that they're tired or hungry either.  They are also aware that this is not going to change for them.  We saw Michonne cling for the straw of Washington, DC.  She explained then how much they (and she) needed that.  And they hadn't even been through the storm yet.

And then Aaron shows up, and he is clean.  And kind.  And he has food and water.

They even set this up (a little heavy handedly) in the ending of the previous episode.  This is how otherwise rational people fall into cults.  They were at their lowest point, but a little at rest post-storm (staring at the sunset that reminds them why they need to keep going), when not only does a savior show up, but he even says he has "good news" - he might have been holding a bible.

It's not that they believe him so much as they want to have something to believe.

But the actor playing Aaron is also totally likeable and believable.  He had me not so much at the Friday night dance troupe thing, but more when the joke bombed.  Perfect reaction.  But, yeah, I want to believe him, too, which makes their going work.

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« Reply #128 on: February 24, 2015, 06:20:31 PM »

That was a great description and analysis, Bullwinkle, thanks!  They've definitely been setting things up in terms of Michonne/Glenn/Rick and Maggie in particular.  Michonne in particular has been kind of the focal point for this plot element, and that's been a nice transition in her story arc.

My only issue, and it's not so much an issue as wanting to see more of everyone, is that we don't really see what's going on at all with many of the others.  Notcop fistbump, Eugene, Carol, Carl, even Daryl barely had any input on anything going on.  I'm sure I'm forgetting some other characters that have been sidelined too.  This is just one of those things that happens in every ensemble show, it's just more noticeable when everyone is grouped together closely but not necessarily saying anything.
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« Reply #129 on: February 24, 2015, 06:58:14 PM »

While you make some good points Bullwinkle, I think you are reaching/making excuses on some of them. But you see the show as being really good with great writing, which I don't. So of course I am biased. I did enjoy this weeks episode, I just thought they rushed it and the writing was horrible.

I have to say though, I am far from a mechanic, but I have never heard of a car dying while it's running from a bad battery. Car batteries would be a mess at this point, sure, but to go from a battery warning to the stopped in the middle of the road is not how it works from my experience. Willing to admit I could be wrong though.
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« Reply #130 on: February 24, 2015, 08:43:21 PM »

For someone who constantly refers to the show as horribly written, you sure seem to never miss an episode.   icon_wink

p.s. They didn't show the car stopping because of a dead battery.  They showed the car already stopped, then mentioned the dead battery.  It's entirely possible they stopped to stretch their legs and then weren't able to start the RV because of the battery. 

But honestly, if you're finding something like that to be that much of a distraction, I have to wonder how you can ever enjoy 90 percent of what's on tv (or in theaters).
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« Reply #131 on: February 24, 2015, 11:14:47 PM »

I think the show has some good points. I love the idea of it, just think it could be done a lot better. I wonder how much it has veered off from the comic, and think that maybe a bad thing. It sounds like the comic is better than the TV show.

And I don't like 95% of what us on TV and theaters. That I even watch TWD is high praise for me. icon_lol
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« Reply #132 on: February 25, 2015, 12:20:16 AM »

The comic had many of the things you've complained about in regards to the show.  I suspect you'd accuse it of being horribly written as well.  Although you'd most likely buy every issue, if your past behavior is any indication.   icon_razz
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« Reply #133 on: February 25, 2015, 12:31:03 AM »

Quote from: hepcat on February 25, 2015, 12:20:16 AM

The comic had many of the things you've complained about in regards to the show.  I suspect you'd accuse it of being horribly written as well.  Although you'd most likely buy every issue, if your past behavior is any indication.   icon_razz

Well it's a comic, I wouldn't lower myself to that standard.

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« Reply #134 on: February 25, 2015, 01:25:21 PM »

Just pointing out that Tyrese made #7 on this list of Walking Dead Important Character Deaths ahead of both Shane and Merle.
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« Reply #135 on: February 25, 2015, 05:01:43 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 25, 2015, 01:25:21 PM

Just pointing out that Tyrese made #7 on this list of Walking Dead Important Character Deaths ahead of both Shane and Merle.

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« Reply #136 on: February 25, 2015, 07:35:11 PM »

Quote from: Lee on February 25, 2015, 05:01:43 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 25, 2015, 01:25:21 PM

Just pointing out that Tyrese made #7 on this list of Walking Dead Important Character Deaths ahead of both Shane and Merle.

I don't think E! counts as revelant media source. Tongue

I was hoping you wouldn't pay too much attention to that part.
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« Reply #137 on: February 27, 2015, 10:51:56 PM »

Did my biannual check of Facebook. Old coworker will no longer watch the show because of the gay character. Since I have lived in WA for the last year, I forgot there were still people out there like that. Kind of embarrassed for him, but his friends agreed, so I didn't even bother repling. (Background we almost came to blows over gay marriage 5 years ago. He's about as redneck as you can get, but really nice guy otherwise.)
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« Reply #138 on: February 28, 2015, 04:01:21 PM »

Quote from: Lee on February 27, 2015, 10:51:56 PM

Did my biannual check of Facebook. Old coworker will no longer watch the show because of the gay character. Since I have lived in WA for the last year, I forgot there were still people out there like that. Kind of embarrassed for him, but his friends agreed, so I didn't even bother repling. (Background we almost came to blows over gay marriage 5 years ago. He's about as redneck as you can get, but really nice guy otherwise.)

That's sad. 

I wondered if this might be an issue for some.
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« Reply #139 on: February 28, 2015, 05:17:12 PM »

Just the morons who probably couldn't figure out how to work the remote anyway.
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« Reply #140 on: March 01, 2015, 01:04:30 AM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 28, 2015, 04:01:21 PM

Quote from: Lee on February 27, 2015, 10:51:56 PM

Did my biannual check of Facebook. Old coworker will no longer watch the show because of the gay character. Since I have lived in WA for the last year, I forgot there were still people out there like that. Kind of embarrassed for him, but his friends agreed, so I didn't even bother repling. (Background we almost came to blows over gay marriage 5 years ago. He's about as redneck as you can get, but really nice guy otherwise.)

That's sad. 

I wondered if this might be an issue for some.

Every time I let my guard down and think things have progressed where something like this wouldn't be an issue, I'm reminded again that reality is still quite different across the entire country. 
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« Reply #141 on: March 01, 2015, 01:38:45 PM »

My brother deals with it in his own way  He bought a camp in West Virginia that was a gay resort and has been building it up over the years.  Now they have their own world where they don't even have to deal with small minded idiots like that.  

Of course, he wasn't too bothered by them before considering he's 6'2" and his partner of the last 15 years is an ex-marine who's 2 inches taller than him.   icon_wink
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« Reply #142 on: March 01, 2015, 09:37:09 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on March 01, 2015, 01:38:45 PM

My brother deals with it in his own way  He bought a camp in West Virginia that was a gay resort and has been building it up over the years.  Now they have their own world where they don't even have to deal with small minded idiots like that.  

Of course, he wasn't too bothered by them before considering he's 6'2" and his partner of the last 15 years is an ex-marine who's 2 inches taller than him.   icon_wink

Wow, this sounds super HOT.

But anyway, apparently there was a whole flurry of people complaining on Twitter, etc about the show.  I really thought I was immune to it after so many years, but it really bummed me out reading some of the comments. 
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« Reply #143 on: Today at 01:48:09 PM »

any thoughts on the fence supports being on the 'wrong' side? I'm no engineer but I would have thought that by having the fence supports on the inside of the fence that it could better withstand the pushing from hordes of undead.

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any thoughts on the fence supports being on the 'wrong' side? I'm no engineer but I would have thought that by having the fence supports on the inside of the fence that it could better withstand the pushing from hordes of undead.

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It's definitely strange and the director went out of his way to show the supports being on the outside so I doubt it's just something the design and writing crew over looked. Either it is meant to keep people in or at some point in the story the stupid design will show that the Alexandria people really don't know what they're doing.

I haven't read the comics so I don't really know what to expect with this group. I do find it hard to believe that they could survive this long being that close to a highly populated area, even more so if they are as naive as they are playing. Even if the Army did evacuate there would still be a ton of walkers and other people in the DC area.
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first off, I mentioned to my wife about you guys talking about people being in an uproar with the new gay couple. both of our thoughts were, "really, people still act ignorant like this?". unbelievable.

as far as the show, I'm not digging the head of the new community. her acting just seems forced and unnatural and I hate it. I do, however, like where this is going. I haven't read the comics, so I have no spoilers.

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« Reply #146 on: Today at 05:00:29 PM »

I also thought the actor playing the former politico was coming off forced.  I think it's a character choice, instead of performance, but it still doesn't ring true (I also was irritated with her when I looked her up on IMDB and saw this quote: "People think of me as the Jewish Meryl Streep."  Wow.  There are so many levels of hubris in that statement... Look, I don't care if 50 people have said that exact thing to you, you don't say it out loud, even if you're following it with some kind of humble BS).

And then her son, Soulpatch Douchebag.  My god, I didn't think I could hate someone more than Andrea.  Watching that fantastic ass-kicking from Glenn was really satisfying.  I know he's meant to be a douchebag (he even says it out loud), but he's playing "Douchebag".  I'm waiting for him to call a zombie "Brah".

But I like the yummy artist mom (same actress played the even yummier version of the maid in the first season of American Horror Story), and I still really like Aaron (his bit about not having phones was, again, endearing), and I love the set up of this story arc.

I was watching this unfold and thinking, "Well, this just looks perfect, so what's going to go wrong?  What the hell is wrong?"  and then it hit me pretty early in: They're what's wrong.  Rick and Co. are going to fuck this up so bad, and it really fits this world perfectly.  Plus the debate about society and where it ends and whether it's good and how much of it is a pure construct/fabrication...  This kind of highlighted illustration is what good sci fi/fantasy/horror should be doing.

Carol, in particular, scared the hell out of me in her taped interview.  Saying she missed her abusive awful husband every day and adding the junior league bit.  She'd gone Stepford Carol.  A little part of me wondered if she hadn't just cracked.  But of course she was just playing the part to get inside there.  But then Carol has cracked, clearly.  She has gone into the deep end more than a lot of folks in the group.  She's hardened too much.  She's going to be the issue even more than Rick, I think.  Keep your eye on her.

Rick has Carl (and the increasingly goofy-looking Ass-Kicker), and we've seen him get pulled back from the brink because of that before.  I think it'll happen again, but in a different way this time.  It's not going to be as simple as Rick sees Carl has lost his place in the world and realizes he's done the same, so he pulls himself back to society.

Because the group is done with society by this point. This town may seem wonderful, but it's still self-contained.  They are holding onto the way it was, but since they're not part of something larger, there's no real point.  It's empty.

Glenn is the only one who gets it.  I can't remember the line he said, but he had one comment about the town, and why it was important to not let go entirely, and it was dead on.  I think he may finally be the full leader of the group after this.  Or we'll lose him entirely, and it'll be the most tragic to date. 

And then watch out for Maggie.
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« Reply #147 on: Today at 06:54:37 PM »

While I disagree with you on almost everything TWD, Bullwinkle, I think you are right. This is about how our heros are so messed up that they don't know how to be normal and will screw this up.

As for the supports? This show has never been about realism. I doubt they thought about it. (I didn't notice myself.)
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« Reply #148 on: Today at 08:09:15 PM »

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As for the supports? This show has never been about realism.

Was it the zombies that gave it away?  It was the zombies, wasn't it?
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As for the supports? This show has never been about realism.

Was it the zombies that gave it away?  It was the zombies, wasn't it?

As you know I don't mean it that way, but the flaws in writing, directing, etc, that pulls you out of the show. Obviously it happens with me a lot more than you guys with this show. icon_wink
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But I like the yummy artist mom (same actress played the even yummier version of the maid in the first season of American Horror Story), and I still really like Aaron (his bit about not having phones was, again, endearing), and I love the set up of this story arc.

I was watching this unfold and thinking, "Well, this just looks perfect, so what's going to go wrong?  What the hell is wrong?"  and then it hit me pretty early in: They're what's wrong.  Rick and Co. are going to fuck this up so bad, and it really fits this world perfectly.  Plus the debate about society and where it ends and whether it's good and how much of it is a pure construct/fabrication...  This kind of highlighted illustration is what good sci fi/fantasy/horror should be doing.

Carol, in particular, scared the hell out of me in her taped interview.  Saying she missed her abusive awful husband every day and adding the junior league bit.  She'd gone Stepford Carol.  A little part of me wondered if she hadn't just cracked.  But of course she was just playing the part to get inside there.  But then Carol has cracked, clearly.  She has gone into the deep end more than a lot of folks in the group.  She's hardened too much.  She's going to be the issue even more than Rick, I think.  Keep your eye on her.

Rick has Carl (and the increasingly goofy-looking Ass-Kicker), and we've seen him get pulled back from the brink because of that before.  I think it'll happen again, but in a different way this time.  It's not going to be as simple as Rick sees Carl has lost his place in the world and realizes he's done the same, so he pulls himself back to society.

Because the group is done with society by this point. This town may seem wonderful, but it's still self-contained.  They are holding onto the way it was, but since they're not part of something larger, there's no real point.  It's empty.

Glenn is the only one who gets it.  I can't remember the line he said, but he had one comment about the town, and why it was important to not let go entirely, and it was dead on.  I think he may finally be the full leader of the group after this.  Or we'll lose him entirely, and it'll be the most tragic to date. 

And then watch out for Maggie.

MAJOR COMIC SPOILER!!!!! (Possible future show spoiler)
Spoiler for Hiden:
In the comic, Glenn does get killed a little while after they get to this town. In a very gruesome way too. I suspect they may skip that for the show..
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« Reply #151 on: Today at 09:49:52 PM »

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As for the supports? This show has never been about realism.

Was it the zombies that gave it away?  It was the zombies, wasn't it?

As you know I don't mean it that way, but the flaws in writing, directing, etc, that pulls you out of the show. Obviously it happens with me a lot more than you guys with this show. icon_wink

Some flaws and missteps exist, sure.  But many of the things that you feel are wrong are simply due to the fact that your version of the way things should go often doesn't mesh with how things happen in real life.  You look for James Bond and when you get Joe Blow, you mistakenly believe it's an example of bad writing.
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« Reply #152 on: Today at 09:56:04 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on Today at 09:49:52 PM

Quote from: Lee on Today at 08:43:44 PM

Quote from: hepcat on Today at 08:09:15 PM

Quote from: Lee on Today at 06:54:37 PM

As for the supports? This show has never been about realism.

Was it the zombies that gave it away?  It was the zombies, wasn't it?

As you know I don't mean it that way, but the flaws in writing, directing, etc, that pulls you out of the show. Obviously it happens with me a lot more than you guys with this show. icon_wink

Some flaws and missteps exist, sure.  But many of the things that you feel are wrong are simply due to the fact that your version of the way things should go often doesn't mesh with how things happen in real life.  You look for James Bond and when you get Joe Blow, you mistakenly believe it's an example of bad writing.

A matter of opinion of course. You are as just mistaken assuming that your opinion of the writing is more legitimate than mine.
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« Reply #153 on: Today at 10:11:35 PM »

Nah.  You've just been exposed to poorly written movies and television for so long that its just natural for you to see those things as examples of good writing.  You'll grow out of it eventually...I hope.   Tongue
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