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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2004, 08:06:26 PM »

I respectfully dissent.
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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2004, 08:06:57 PM »

Well, I can't say I'm not disappointed, but like many have said, this is your site to do with how you wish, and I thank you for considering the requested changes.

I think I speak for a lot of R&P posters/lurkers when I say that my biggest concern is losing access to a community that I greatly valued. Of course it's not your obligation to establish such a residency in the wake of GG's apparent demise, but for most of us, CG appeared to be our best chance to continue our little world with the community in tact.
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2004, 08:07:00 PM »

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But I have to agree with some of the folks here that if certain political (and most likely alot of news items) subjects are off-limits then the spirit of Gone Gold will surely not take root here.   Which is unfortunate for me and unfortunate for this board in the long run I suspect.


I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or a little shit, here, but since when was GG primarily a forum for R&P?  I was there for nearly 4 years and thought it was a gaming site.  I know that's certainly NOT what Rich intended it to be.

Do you really think that religious and political discussion is what the spirit of Gone Gold was?  Seriously?
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2004, 08:12:57 PM »

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The nature of the supposedly forthcoming 'fracture' of the remaining Gonegold community is in itself proof of the fact that the discussion of Religion and Politics was a contentious issue at Gonegold.


That's absurd. The fracture will occur because some of us were at GG mainly for EBG/R&P, while others were there for the main forums. The fact that not everyone posted in R&P doesn't make R&P's existence "contentious."


Since you were only there for a few months, then I guess you never saw the huge arguments that happened when the split was made.


Perhaps there were arguments when the split was made. I've been on other boards when the general news and political commentary threads were pulled apart from one another, so i can imagine what it was like. But the split worked very, very well.


Thus spake a member who was not there for the last several years. smile To say the R&P forum worked is to miss several points, chief among them that is was considered much like a needed sewage drain. Us long-timers who were flat-out sick of all the political/religious threads that were plaguing EBG recognized the need for stern moderation. Since there was none to be had at GG (and let's just be honest about that for a second), the response was to create another forum dedicated to that. Since those of us here actually, you know, look out for the well-being of the community, the time involvement required to mod an R&P forum would be out of the question.

You also missed the splits in the GG history. There was the great Mod Uprising which resulted, I feel, in the complete joke that was the GG moderation upon the forum's demise last week, and there was the R&P split which caused several other long-timers to go off on their own. Hell, I was even getting sick of GG and would have lasted about a month more before leaving altogether and just staying over here where people were, you know, not acting like petulent children in need of a good smack down.

The end result? We have a solid website here that was long considered the red-headed stepchild of GG, but we've got a really solid base built up both on the internet and in the gaming community at large. Every one here is more than welcome to step up and join us for some good times (of which there are plenty ahead), but don't come into this house, bite the hand that was extended to you, then expect us to like it and ask for more. We've been pals for 20 years Kirk, so please understand when I say you're crossing the line here. As one who is so meticulous in his life and loves researching, a bit of history would really help sell your argument much better than it has.

EDIT - This is also just me blowing off steam and in no way reflects the overall view of the CG Staff. The Management here has done a phenomenal job considering the situation, and if this in any way pisses them off, then my bad. smile
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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2004, 08:16:18 PM »

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But I have to agree with some of the folks here that if certain political (and most likely alot of news items) subjects are off-limits then the spirit of Gone Gold will surely not take root here.   Which is unfortunate for me and unfortunate for this board in the long run I suspect.


I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or a little shit, here, but since when was GG primarily a forum for R&P?  I was there for nearly 4 years and thought it was a gaming site.  I know that's certainly NOT what Rich intended it to be.

Do you really think that religious and political discussion is what the spirit of Gone Gold was?  Seriously?


No, but for many of us, the greatness of political discussion, and the sense of community there, made that forum special. I know it sounds like we're crying over spilt milk, and it may be hard for some of you to understand, so let me just ask that you try to look at it from our point of view. Many of us lost our favorite site on the web, and it was bound to stir some emotions among some of us that had devoted alot of time there.

Again, I thank CG and its staff for all they have done, and if we were given a fair shake, then I thank you for it. At this point thats really all I can say, but I wish CG and its members and staff nothing but luck.
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2004, 08:17:20 PM »

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Thus spake a member who was not there for the last several years. smile To say the R&P forum worked is to miss several points, chief among them that is was considered much like a needed sewage drain.


Heh - that's an excellent description smile
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2004, 08:18:13 PM »

I support your decision KD.  I'll stick around.

I wish there was a way to have an R&P forum but I understand why there isn't.  Bitching about it is akin to being invited to stay at someone's house and then griping because they aren't willing to get HBO for you.  I can get HBO elsewhere and I likely will.  I just appreciate your hospitality.

And I still want a pony.
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2004, 08:20:25 PM »

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Did you not see the pony I gave you?  Sheesh! slywink

Honestly I don't remember which thread it was in, but I did give you one.
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2004, 08:21:46 PM »

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But I have to agree with some of the folks here that if certain political (and most likely alot of news items) subjects are off-limits then the spirit of Gone Gold will surely not take root here.   Which is unfortunate for me and unfortunate for this board in the long run I suspect.


I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or a little shit, here, but since when was GG primarily a forum for R&P?  I was there for nearly 4 years and thought it was a gaming site.  I know that's certainly NOT what Rich intended it to be.

Do you really think that religious and political discussion is what the spirit of Gone Gold was?  Seriously?


I apologize for speaking obliquely.  When I referred to the spirit of Gone Gold I was referring to the awesome sense of community there.  And the ability to speak your mind freely about almost any subject in an intelligent manner was the key to that spirit I think.  I have been a long time lurker on the Console Gold message boards since their inception.  But I stopped checking them regularly after a while because there wasn't anything like the message turnover there was on Gold Gold.  I actually thought for a while that Console Gold would fulfill the same role as Gone Gold did, but it's fairly obvious now that that is not going to happen.
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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2004, 08:23:55 PM »

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Well, I can't say I'm not disappointed, but like many have said, this is your site to do with how you wish, and I thank you for considering the requested changes.

I think I speak for a lot of R&P posters/lurkers when I say that my biggest concern is losing access to a community that I greatly valued. Of course it's not your obligation to establish such a residency in the wake of GG's apparent demise, but for most of us, CG appeared to be our best chance to continue our little world with the community in tact.


That about sums up my thoughts as well.  I will miss having the R&P option, but I certainly respect the decision and plan to do some hanging out here to talk about gaming, hardware, movies, etc.  I hope to keep seeing a lot of familiar folks.
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« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2004, 08:23:56 PM »

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Obviously, to you, this is irrelevant, but to people like me, and many others, its a bit of a slap in the face, because I dont think our wishes were REALLY considered, nor do I believe that in the long run, we were really given a chance here.


Whoa, Silver!  I don't think it's that obvious that it's a slap in the face.

Ron did indeed give all of us a lot by:
1) Taking us in
2) Encouraging suggestions on how to improve
3) Adding new and/or re-pening topics
4) Adding new color choices

Basically, we've gotten just about everything we've asked for except for R&P and all of this in a matter of days.   In some cases, I think he even said that a topic wasn't needed (Road to Gold?), but reconsidered and re-opened it. This demonstrates flexibility, so it seems to me if the guy says he considered the R&P argument heavily, I tend to believe it.  

Keep in mind  that because someone is not predisposed to your position does NOT mean that it's not considered, nor is it a slap in the face if they don't change their mind, especially when he has acknowledged the gravity of the opinions of those who want R&P and realizes that some will leave due to choosing the opposite side.  

Mr. Fed, as usual, seems to have the right tenor.  Remember, there's always Popehat!  (ok so they have that quaint board that I haven't figured out how to find half the things on it, but it's there!)
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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2004, 08:29:08 PM »

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Thus spake a member who was not there for the last several years. smile To say the R&P forum worked is to miss several points, chief among them that is was considered much like a needed sewage drain.


And that was that.
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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2004, 08:32:44 PM »

I'm not biting anyone's hand, Mitchell. Unless you have some random definition whereby respectfully disagreeing with a decision by the powers-that-be is biting.

I am not privy to all of the history of the R&P. But I know that it was one of the best, least contentious political forums on the Web. It might have benefitted from a stronger moderation hand, but it was clearly something of value or folks wouldn't be bemoaning its death.  I didn't have to be there for the malice that may have led to its creation to recognize the quality of conversation and debate that was present in that sub-forum.

It was one of the most balanced and accessible political debate environments on the Internet, and I'd wager that I've done a lot more with politics on the Web than you have.

Again, I accept the decision here, though I disagree with it. And I'm very grateful that CG has provided a refuge for such a large percentage of those left out in the cold by the lousy way GoneGold went down. I'm certainly not angry that you all have vision for CG and are sticking to it, more power to you.

I just disagree strongly that an R&P sub forum somehow would rend the community here.
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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2004, 08:37:27 PM »

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When I referred to the spirit of Gone Gold I was referring to the awesome sense of community there.

But that was mostly an illusion, wasn't it? After all, the GG refugees who feel at home here at CG must have had a very different vision of the community than those who will leave.
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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2004, 08:40:11 PM »

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When I referred to the spirit of Gone Gold I was referring to the awesome sense of community there.

But that was mostly an illusion, wasn't it? After all, the GG refugees who feel at home here at CG must have had a very different vision of the community than those who will leave.


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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2004, 08:51:19 PM »

I get in the mood for a R&P discussion once in awhile, but there's no way in hell that i'm leaving this site because it'll never happen HERE again.  :!:
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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2004, 08:53:20 PM »

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But I have to agree with some of the folks here that if certain political (and most likely alot of news items) subjects are off-limits then the spirit of Gone Gold will surely not take root here.   Which is unfortunate for me and unfortunate for this board in the long run I suspect.


I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or a little shit, here, but since when was GG primarily a forum for R&P?  I was there for nearly 4 years and thought it was a gaming site.  I know that's certainly NOT what Rich intended it to be.

Do you really think that religious and political discussion is what the spirit of Gone Gold was?  Seriously?


The spirit of the Gone Gold forums was talking about anything we wanted to talk about with no subject off-limits or taboo. Now we find ourselves at a forum where we can't talk about whatever we want to talk about. That's the beginning and the end of my frustration on the matter.  

I'm a big fan of my Xbox and PS2 (while my Gamecube is very dusty and sorta sucky.) Lord knows, I love console games. But this decision makes me feel like console gaming is still the domain of kids, not adults.
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« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2004, 08:58:44 PM »

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But I have to agree with some of the folks here that if certain political (and most likely alot of news items) subjects are off-limits then the spirit of Gone Gold will surely not take root here.   Which is unfortunate for me and unfortunate for this board in the long run I suspect.


I'm sorry, not trying to be rude or a little shit, here, but since when was GG primarily a forum for R&P?  I was there for nearly 4 years and thought it was a gaming site.  I know that's certainly NOT what Rich intended it to be.

Do you really think that religious and political discussion is what the spirit of Gone Gold was?  Seriously?


The spirit of the Gone Gold forums was talking about anything we wanted to talk about with no subject off-limits or taboo. Now we find ourselves at a forum where we can't talk about whatever we want to talk about. That's the beginning and the end of my frustration on the matter.  

I'm a big fan of my Xbox and PS2 (while my Gamecube is very dusty and sorta sucky.) Lord knows, I love console games. But this decision makes me feel like console gaming is still the domain of kids, not adults.


Exactly.

Mortan hits the nail right on the head. Now I can't exactly see everyone talk about everything.
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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2004, 09:02:08 PM »

I'm sure you made the right decision KD.  CG was great without an R & P forum.  The supposed demise of GG shouldn't mean CG should expect to include one also.
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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2004, 09:05:01 PM »

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I'm a big fan of my Xbox and PS2 (while my Gamecube is very dusty and sorta sucky.) Lord knows, I love console games. But this decision makes me feel like console gaming is still the domain of kids, not adults.


Ouch.  That's quite the inaccurate (and maybe even inappropriate) generalization you've made.
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« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2004, 09:12:43 PM »

Your house, your rules.  I can live wih that, though I honestly do not see how limiting conversation of a specific nature aids in building the community surrounding or the understanding of console game experiences.

*shrug*  whatever.  Still lotsa people here whose opinions I find interesting on a wide variety of subjects, so I'll probably stick around.  Still, like Tareeq, I respectfully disagree with banning political or religious topics/forums.

And that will be my last comment on the matter smile
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« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2004, 09:17:06 PM »

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The spirit of the Gone Gold forums was talking about anything we wanted to talk about with no subject off-limits or taboo. Now we find ourselves at a forum where we can't talk about whatever we want to talk about. That's the beginning and the end of my frustration on the matter.  

My sentiments lie somewhere near Morton's.   I respect the right of this forum's owners to define the parameters of discourse in any way they choose.  However, I'm not particularly attracted to an environment that allows discourse on almost any topic, but specifically prohibits discussion of two topics that are centrally important to my experience as a semi-self-regulating human.

The prohibition isn't morally wrong (on a privately-run board) but it's unappealing in principle, and I'll likely move elsewhere because of it.
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« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2004, 09:17:15 PM »

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Here's what I think the problem is-

Gone Gold was pretty much just a message board for so long that people forgot/ never knew that it was once an awesome site about GAMING.  If anything, we here at CG want to carry on the spirit of that era of the site.  Those of you who went to the site JUST so you could post in R&P are missing the point of what we are trying to do here at Console Gold.

Gone Gold's staff consisted primarily of forum moderators, and that's all they had to do.  We, on the other hand, write reviews, previews, post news, create custom graphics, go out to the game publishers for special events, generally keep our finger on the pulse of console gaming (and soon PC gaming)- that's what this site is really about.  The forums have always been and always will be secondary.

That's not to say that our COMMUNITY will be secondary.  On the contrary, Eldon, our staff programmer, has some shit cookin' that will give the community more tools at their disposal for the sharing of gaming love than either site ever had.  There are some truly awesome things in the works, and we've only just started.

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I'm sure i'll hang around anyway (since i'm having some real work stopping fun), but if these things happen, it would be great to have a great forum AND great game content. I know you guys held off on doing many things while GG was around (still can't believe its really gone), but if this site becomes more pc oriented, i would gladly stay around.

I think R&P was created more to 'lance the boil' that was affecting EBG and not everyone was happy. I'll miss R&P, but i joined GG for gaming, not political discourse.
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« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2004, 09:19:50 PM »

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I'm a big fan of my Xbox and PS2 (while my Gamecube is very dusty and sorta sucky.) Lord knows, I love console games. But this decision makes me feel like console gaming is still the domain of kids, not adults.


Ouch.  That's quite the inaccurate (and maybe even inappropriate) generalization you've made.


No more a generalization than what you and others have said or implied, when comments are made that adding R & P would basically lead to the end of CG, or that somehow the R & P posters at GG were the "sewer" type posters before the split into an R & P forum there. Mature people can talk about any topic, without throwing Molotav cocktails. For the most part, thats what we had there at GG.
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« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2004, 09:27:35 PM »

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I'm a big fan of my Xbox and PS2 (while my Gamecube is very dusty and sorta sucky.) Lord knows, I love console games. But this decision makes me feel like console gaming is still the domain of kids, not adults.


Ouch.  That's quite the inaccurate (and maybe even inappropriate) generalization you've made.


Maybe, but whatever... I'm just a big kid at heart anyway, and this place suits me fine.
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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2004, 09:27:51 PM »

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For all intents and purposes, you have closed the book on a part of Gone Gold, and from the way it looks, that book isnt going to be opened again. Obviously, to you, this is irrelevant, but to people like me, and many others, its a bit of a slap in the face, because I dont think our wishes  were REALLY considered, nor do I believe that in the long run, we were really given a chance here.


Jblank, that's really a bit unfair here.  CG isn't slapping anyone in the face - they've never had an R&P forum so they aren't taking anything away from anyone.  They been very accomodating to the recent influx of GGers, and listened to those who wanted an R&P forum, then made their decision.  What more could you ask for in fairness?   The one who slapped you was the one who made the decision to close GG without even a "bye your leave" to the community.  Why do you think CG owes your an R&P forum any more than any other forum out there that you might go to?  Are they slapping you too?  Though I wish they would have an R&P forum, I can understand and respect their decision.  

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« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2004, 09:31:25 PM »

Grif, let me again say my only "beef" is that we werent given a chance to prove ourselves, nor have we really received a satisfactory explanation as to how it would negatively impact CG. Thats all I was trying to say, and like I later went on to say, no malice or negativity was intended towards Ron, his staff, or his site. I wish them nothing but success.
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« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2004, 09:33:40 PM »

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The nature of the supposedly forthcoming 'fracture' of the remaining Gonegold community is in itself proof of the fact that the discussion of Religion and Politics was a contentious issue at Gonegold.


That's absurd. The fracture will occur because some of us were at GG mainly for EBG/R&P, while others were there for the main forums. The fact that not everyone posted in R&P doesn't make R&P's existence "contentious."


Since you were only there for a few months, then I guess you never saw the huge arguments that happened when the split was made.


The argument was about whether a separate R&P forum was needed, not whether R&P topics should be allowed, as they were already occurring in EBG.  R&P itself wasn't contentious, just whether it needed to be a separate forum.  At least those were the main arguments I saw.  Catch the difference?

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« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2004, 09:36:07 PM »

jblank, whatever.  You registered your handle on this site before GG went down, but you never posted.  As a result, you never made any posts bemoaning the fact that R&P was not allowed here.  The first post you made on this board was after GG died, and it was about R&P.  In fact, all of your posts have been about adding an R&P forum here.  This place will NEVER be GG.  Get over it.  I thought you were leaving, anyway.
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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2004, 09:40:30 PM »

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jblank, whatever.  You registered your handle on this site before GG went down, but you never posted.  As a result, you never made any posts bemoaning the fact that R&P was not allowed here.  The first post you made on this board was after GG died, and it was about R&P.  In fact, all of your posts have been about adding an R&P forum here.  This place will NEVER be GG.  Get over it.  I thought you were leaving, anyway.


Thats a lie. I joined a NFL 2K5 league, and posted in it 3-4 times long before GG went down. Check your facts before you try to be a jerk next time.

I am leaving, as are many others, but I was very curious to see how this thread was going to pan out. I didnt post anything in here any different than anyone else really, and was respectful to all. All of the negativity in here, seems to be eminating directly from you and your smart ass attitude. Nobody was upset or arguing prior to your very inappropriate (but telling) last post.
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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2004, 09:42:04 PM »

My bad.  I missed the second page of your posts.  But still, the VAST majority of your posts were about R&P, and you didn't complain about it when you were posting in about the football league.  My point still stands.  Get over it.
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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2004, 09:43:04 PM »

No need for this to turn surly. We're capable of mature disagreement. (hinthint) People have unanimously granted that they respect the decision. We're just taking the opportunity to express our feelings on the issue.

I'm pretty shocked by how many people gladly accept being told not to discuss politics or religion. But then again, nobody votes or goes to church so I don't know why I'd find it surprising. biggrin
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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2004, 09:45:36 PM »

This thread is great.  It's like Religion & Politics without the religion & politics!  biggrin
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« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2004, 09:45:40 PM »

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Grif, let me again say my only "beef" is that we werent given a chance to prove ourselves, nor have we really received a satisfactory explanation as to how it would negatively impact CG. Thats all I was trying to say, and like I later went on to say, no malice or negativity was intended towards Ron, his staff, or his site. I wish them nothing but success.


Why should you have the opportunity to prove yourself?  I'm willing to bet that someone here at CG has looked into the R&P forum at GG from time to time which would be a pretty fair assessment of how it would run here.  Clearly what occured there didn't fit with their vision for the forum here no matter how civilized it was compared to other politics forums.

As to an adequate explanation- they've given it.  They feel that discussion of politics and religion can be too volatile to the community as a whole even when segregated to its own forum.  Additionally, such a forum would require more active moderation than the rest of the site requires which is something the staff doesn't want to commit to now.  You may not agree with it but they have provided the explanation if you've read through the various threads.
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« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2004, 09:49:45 PM »

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My bad.  I missed the second page of your posts.  But still, the VAST majority of your posts were about R&P, and you didn't complain about it when you were posting in about the football league.  My point still stands.  Get over it.


Do you think that perhaps the fact that GG was still in existence had something to do with that? I am over it, as are all of us, and we will form up somewhere else, which is fine, but we still had the right to voice our opinions, whether you like it or not.
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« Reply #75 on: October 12, 2004, 09:52:11 PM »

Personally, I stay out of religion and political threads so this doesn't affect me in the least. I intend to stay here and enjoy the conversation.
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« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2004, 09:52:35 PM »

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Grif, let me again say my only "beef" is that we werent given a chance to prove ourselves, nor have we really received a satisfactory explanation as to how it would negatively impact CG. Thats all I was trying to say, and like I later went on to say, no malice or negativity was intended towards Ron, his staff, or his site. I wish them nothing but success.


Why should you have the opportunity to prove yourself?  I'm willing to bet that someone here at CG has looked into the R&P forum at GG from time to time which would be a pretty fair assessment of how it would run here.  Clearly what occured there didn't fit with their vision for the forum here no matter how civilized it was compared to other politics forums.

As to an adequate explanation- they've given it.  They feel that discussion of politics and religion can be too volatile to the community as a whole even when segregated to its own forum.  Additionally, such a forum would require more active moderation than the rest of the site requires which is something the staff doesn't want to commit to now.  You may not agree with it but they have provided the explanation if you've read through the various threads.


I disagree, but I respect your opinion and theirs, and who knows, maybe this is actually for the best for those of us interested in R & P. I am confident in the fact that there are others exploring other avenues for us, and that is very good news.
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« Reply #77 on: October 12, 2004, 09:52:38 PM »

/rant

The most heated conversations I ever saw on GG typically involved games: which one is the best, why that one sucks, etc.  The heat comes not from the subject matter being discussed but more from the passion of those involved.  Most of us join a gaming site because we are passionate about our gaming which helps to elucidate why the most heated posts can often be found in topics dealing with gaming.  

I believe the strength or lack of strength of a community determines how well a forum recovers from such trials and tribulations.  I know that the community of CG is plenty strong enough to handle things like this when they crop up in a gaming post or with an RP topic, heck I already know most of you.  It saddens me that the decision to bar RP topics has been made, but that's for the site's owners and not for the community to decide.  I respectfully disagree with the choice but fully accept it as what you feel best for your site and will honor your rules to the best of my ability when visiting here.  

I guess that's just it, I've set up a really unfair criteria for CG.  GG was home, it was a place I could kick my shoes off and talk about anything of import to me.  It was dang near family.  Here I am asked to please remove my shoes at the door so I don't soil the white carpet.  I can do that and will, but just as when I visit my friend's white carpet laden house, I am not certain I will ever fully feel at home here.  I don't mean this as a pissy thing to say in the least, I still regularly pay my friend a visit at their house, rules and all.  

/rant off

CG seems like an amazing community and I'm sure it will continue to be a success sans-RP and feel just like home for many of you.  I look forward to regularly visiting.   ninja
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« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2004, 09:53:59 PM »

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No need for this to turn surly. We're capable of mature disagreement. (hinthint) People have unanimously granted that they respect the decision. We're just taking the opportunity to express our feelings on the issue.

I'm pretty shocked by how many people gladly accept being told not to discuss politics or religion. But then again, nobody votes or goes to church so I don't know why I'd find it surprising. biggrin
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« Reply #79 on: October 12, 2004, 09:54:06 PM »

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I'm pretty shocked by how many people gladly accept being told not to discuss politics or religion. But then again, nobody votes or goes to church so I don't know why I'd find it surprising.


Heh - then there are some of us who do vote and go to church, but prefer to stay out of the "spirited" doggedness that some debaters employ - some may use the term lunkhead closed-mindedness and others would say enlightened attitudes, but you get my drift smile

Anyway - I accept it mainly because it wasn't my bag to start with (hence I won't miss it).
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