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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2014, 09:27:48 PM »

Quote from: Crawley on May 15, 2014, 06:13:01 PM

As far as voting for Trish there may be two things going on here. One, she is probably about as likable as Woo is in the final. So between voting Woo or Trish out at this point wouldn't matter (you need to keep Kass). Two, Tony's win depends on Spencer getting voted out. Trish has no chance at beating Spencer in an immunity challenge. Woo does. Tony could easily convince Woo (and Kass) to vote Spencer out for being the larger threat - which is the truth.

So while the vote was a total surprise when it occurred it may not have been so crazy as it seemed.

Ahhh that actually makes some sense, never occurred to me.  Personally I don't think she is as likable as Woo in the final.  I'm pretty sure a couple of the early eliminations disliked her.  Plus she just comes across as a "goat" or tag along.  Woo does to some extent, but he seems more competitive over all.

I still think overall it would have been a much better/obvious play to use his regular idol for Trish, and then knock out Kass.  This way he keeps his main tag-along alliance member and still retains Woo to help beat Spencer.  The pretense of his super idol makes for good TV I guess, but as mentioned above it seems a little unfair for the players to not have any bounds known on its "super powers" in advance.  If that were the case the super power could be guaranteed final 2 or guaranteed elimination of another player.  It's one thing to have "twists" like team swaps or merges at random, but another to have a game with a major game-defining rule that players aren't allowed to know about?  As Lee said, I'd love to read about the behind the scenes details; hopefully some day someone will reveal things after the show is 100% done. 
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2014, 04:58:37 PM »

Well the right person won at the end so damn happy about that. I still can't believe Woo did a Colby and took the wrong person to the end. I think the chances are slim that he'll be invited back to Survivor so he basically blew a single $1mil chance. But I was also worried with the jury as they seemed so bitter in their questioning of Tony. I really hate the bitter jury's but thankfully they looked at gameplay and who was most deserving in their votes.

Also loved that it was a final two (although a Kass vs Woo finale would have sucked). Really hate the final 3 as typically its just two people getting votes anyways.

And as awesome as the setup was for the final challenge I still prefer the final endurance challenges.

Overall a fantastic season. One of the better ones. Will see if the Blood vs Water 2 holds up. Kinda hoping they don't do it with returning players.
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2014, 09:20:22 PM »

While I enjoyed the final two challenges as they were pretty close, I really could not stand Tony and was disappointed that he made it to the final tribal and that he won. I love "bitter" jurys as they provide a check and balance versus dickheads like Tony (not this time though unfortunately). I would have much rather preferred a kass/woo showdown as there actually might have been some drama in the final vote.
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2014, 11:57:51 PM »

Quote from: Toe on May 22, 2014, 09:20:22 PM

While I enjoyed the final two challenges as they were pretty close, I really could not stand Tony and was disappointed that he made it to the final tribal and that he won. I love "bitter" jurys as they provide a check and balance versus dickheads like Tony (not this time though unfortunately). I would have much rather preferred a kass/woo showdown as there actually might have been some drama in the final vote.

Definitely agree with all of this.  Trish had one of the best bitter jury speeches in a long long time.  Too bad it looks like she still voted for Tony.  It seems like as time passed, the trend was that bitter or not, the jury rewards the more dominant player.  As much as Kass bugged me, her comeback immunity win was amazing and I thought she deserved a place in the final 2 for that.  I still wish the three of them would have challenged Tony's bluff and taken him out instead of Spencer but that was never going to happen.

The irony is that in spite of this being one of the most unpredictable moment to moment seasons, the end result ended up being one of the most predictable.  By mid-game it looked like nothing could stop Tony except perhaps a Final 2 scenario, but somehow he even managed to overcome that.  I love Woo's comment that he'd have to be the stupidest Survivor in history to bring Tony with him, and then he does it anyway.  What a tool.  I do respect his explanation but given the context, was it worth $900,000 (I think that's the differential)?  This wasn't quite the Colby situation where the game was still pretty new and he had made a committed pact with Tina.  Tony had already tried to backstab him multiple times, and had already proven to be a massive liar, so no one would have blamed Woo much for taking Kass.  I don't think Tae Kwan Do tenets mean you should also do completely stupid things lol.  I could almost feel the seething from his Asian parents, "you cost us $1 MILLION dollars you stupid stoner!!!" 

All in all a great season for me, but with a disappointing final outcome.
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2014, 12:00:09 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on May 09, 2014, 12:14:17 AM

Spencer has to easily be the biggest threat to win it all now as he's friendly with everyone on the jury.  But he needs to win every immunity to get there, pretty much no other way except for maybe playing Tony against Kass next week.  Pretty simple: if he takes the immunities, he wins.  If he doesn't, he's done.  Odds are he will fail and I will be sad frown

Tony, in spite of the lying and weirdness, is probably in the best overall position to win.  He has guaranteed final 4 with his idol collection, and no matter how many people he backstabs, he can still get rewarded for actually playing the game strongly.  He's also got a dedicated sheep follower (Trish) and a strong third (Woo) allied with him.  However he still may have to win one immunity on his own, particularly if it goes down to 2.  If Woo wins and takes him to the final instead of Trish or Kass, it would be sheer stupidity (but still possible given this season's craziness).

Funny I just looked over my analysis from a couple of weeks ago...
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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2014, 02:23:42 AM »

A Woo vs Kass showdown would have been terrible. Woo didn't play the game at all. He basically followed Tony's lead throughout. He had several chances to try and get rid of Tony and didn't do that. He kept saying "I gotta make a big move" and never did. Really the only move he made was following Spencer when he went looking for  the idol. And even then he didn't get the idol.

The only thing Kass did was change her alliance. Then nothing other than the good immunity challenge comeback.

Neither of those players are deserving of winning and would hate for either of them to win. As annoying and distasteful as Tony could be he went there to win and play the game each day. He was in control of almost all the votes he was in. He found like three immunity idols including one without a hint. He made some really bold moves during the tribal councils. And played hard during each of the challenges even though he couldn't do puzzles worth crap.

The game needs players that are there to play and play hard not a bunch of Woo's. Maybe a Kass and J'Tia a season though.
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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2014, 06:32:41 PM »

Quote from: Crawley on May 23, 2014, 02:23:42 AM

A Woo vs Kass showdown would have been terrible. Woo didn't play the game at all. He basically followed Tony's lead throughout. He had several chances to try and get rid of Tony and didn't do that. He kept saying "I gotta make a big move" and never did. Really the only move he made was following Spencer when he went looking for  the idol. And even then he didn't get the idol.

The only thing Kass did was change her alliance. Then nothing other than the good immunity challenge comeback.

I think the horribleness of both players is what would have made it interesting, although if you believe the jury members Woo would have won in a landslide.  But that's not necessarily the reality, because you don't know how the Q/A portion would have worked out.  While I didn't necessarily buy it, I thought her "if a man did what I did" argument was at least interesting and might have been persuasive on some level.  Plus she could argue as you did above that Woo never made a single move, where she made multiple alliance change moves to get to the end.
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« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2014, 07:31:53 PM »

I was really rooting for Spencer.  I thought he played the hands he was delt as well as he could.  I remember a few times when Spencer created opportunities that put the target on other people simply by being smarter and more clever than Tony. 

Tony reminded me of Russell a little, but a saner version with a much better social game.  It's odd that Tony couldn't articulate the merits of his own game, while Spencer advocated on his behalf perfectly.

It was really interesting to observe Kass over the course of the season.  She evolved into an intelligent villian, which she seemed to enjoy.  In the end, she was too emotional and delusional to be really effective.  She viewed herself as kind of a female champion, believing that the jury would see her the same.  Her post game comments support that same belief.  Even with that said, I was surprised to see so many of the jury raise their hand in support of voting for Woo if the alternative choice was Kass.  She clearly was out of touch with how the jury felt about her.

On the other hand, Tony was right on target with how the jury felt about Kass and Woo.  He nailed it.         
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