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« on: August 11, 2015, 09:40:26 PM »

August 23rd!!!

I wasn't thrilled with the very first promo with that girlish boy running and screaming like a crazed freak.  Actually found it kind of annoying.  But now that I've seen a couple more promos and featurettes, I'm pretty excited.

For those that haven't been paying much attention, the show will be based in LA and focus on a dysfunctional family, starting in the time period where (presumably) Rick was in a coma.  So we'll get to see the zombie outbreak at its start, and in a big city, which should play out with a very different feel.  I thought I read somewhere that eventually they'd catch up in time with the main series, but I'm not sure if that was just conjecture.  While I'm normally not a prequel fan, in this case I'd be fine spending some quality time seeing how things d(evolve) over time.

The main cast looks a little annoying to me, but hopefully once we become invested in some of the characters it will be better.

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2015, 12:49:34 AM »

I've been a little skeptical from the start just because I'm such a huge Walking Dead fan, but the casting of Kim Dickens eased my worries a bit. She was awesome in Gone Girl and can easily play a bad-ass female lead.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2015, 02:02:37 AM »

I don't think it looked bad, and it is an interesting idea. Although, the cast didn't impress, outside of Kim Dickens who was awesome in Deadwood and looks good in this. The kid running through the street made me think my 16 year old niece would love it, which isn't a good thing. I don't particularly like/find interesting the whole zombie thing, but will give it try because of the original show. Plus AMC deserve some credit for their track record, even Better Call Saul... was pretty great.

I'll watch it, if I remember.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2015, 10:50:11 PM »

I'm certainly in despite the awful title. I enjoy TWD but it will be nice to get away from rednecks in the wilderness.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2015, 12:19:30 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on August 12, 2015, 10:50:11 PM

I'm certainly in despite the awful title. I enjoy TWD but it will be nice to get away from rednecks in the wilderness.

I definitely like the idea of "fresh zombies" - ones that aren't totally decayed and stuff yet.  Since they've never really established how it began, I'm wondering if there will even be people who are just infected and you can't even tell if they are zombies or not, that could be interesting.

The other big thing is it will be the opposite of TWD in the sense that there are a vast majority more humans than zombies, and in a much more densely packed environment.  How does that play out to get to the point where TWD is?  Does it happen in a period of days, weeks or months?  Or, for that matter, does it necessarily get equally bad in LA (to the point where essentially everyone is dead), because there's no way to know for sure.  

I was skeptical at first but now I'm thinking there are all sorts of interesting things to explore by going the route they've chosen.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 01:55:41 PM »

I think my biggest "fear" is that I'm totally burned out on zombies. I don't mind The Walking Dead as my one undead fix, but two zombie shows may be overload. But who am I kidding, I'll still watch it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 02:15:53 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Since they've never really established how it began, I'm wondering if there will even be people who are just infected and you can't even tell if they are zombies or not, that could be interesting.

I was wondering this myself, but is it possible with the backstory? Everyone has the bug (or soon will) that will turn them into a zombie with in minutes(?) of dying. So whenever they get that bug, nothing changes, until they die. I don't know if that leaves anything open for the in-between.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 04:33:09 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 12:19:30 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on August 12, 2015, 10:50:11 PM

I'm certainly in despite the awful title. I enjoy TWD but it will be nice to get away from rednecks in the wilderness.

The other big thing is it will be the opposite of TWD in the sense that there are a vast majority more humans than zombies, and in a much more densely packed environment.  How does that play out to get to the point where TWD is?  Does it happen in a period of days, weeks or months?  Or, for that matter, does it necessarily get equally bad in LA (to the point where essentially everyone is dead), because there's no way to know for sure.  
I would say it breaks down very quickly. a week or 2 at most.. The primary reason for this is that realistically, Zombies do not exist. This means that nobody would be treating the Zombies as Zombies for a bit and would instead treat them as patients, so they would be intent on capture and treating, which as we know, is not a good idea.
Look at the bath salt guy a few years ago.. that was as close as we have come to something looking like a Zombie attack and the first reaction is to capture and treat. If it had been a Zombie outbreak, it would have quickly have escalated.
Nobody really expects a Zombie outbreak which is why it would multiply quickly if it ever did.
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2015, 08:12:49 PM »

Both Lee and Punisher's comments/questions are I think what can/will make the new show interesting.  I don't think it was ever officially established how long Rick was out in a coma.  Even though it didn't quite gel, I was under the impression that it was over a month, maybe a couple months?

I had forgotten about the critical detail Lee mentioned, that our group discovers everyone is "infected" already, which actually makes the whole thing even more interesting and actually might create something of a bind for the writers.  We don't know how long it took for this to occur and/or how it spread, as far as I remember.  Presumably airborne if it affected everyone?  Who were the first infected and why, or did it all happen at once?  Let's just conjecture it was airborne and everyone is immediately infected.  Even then there are no symptoms that present themselves until after death.  So if someone just died of a heart attack or overdose or whatever, they may come back as a zombie looking more or less normal.  I'm also not certain they've established if a typical zombie is instinctively out to kill all living people, or are they just hungry to eat and all that was left to eat was people?  Assuming it's the former, and you're now in LA with a few million people, you still have to create a situation where the zombies overrun the vastly superior number of humans.  And that means actually killing a lot of people, since I think we've established being infected alone isn't what kills people, it's actually being bitten/maimed or whatever.

So now you're talking a relatively limited amount of people dying and turning and presumably attacking the nearest people near them, how do the numbers flip so that it overwhelms the existing population?  On an average day in LA county (around 10 million people), about 150-160 people die according to the interwebs.  I'm really curious to see how those small numbers of slow moving zombies without any special powers can kill enough people fast enough to overrun that many people.  At some point people will start figuring some stuff out so it's not going to be that easy for a limited number of zombies to overwhelm them.  Of course the writers can change the rules to make it happen faster or slower however they'd like, but either way, I'm intrigued.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2015, 09:24:23 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 08:12:49 PM

Of course the writers can change the rules to make it happen faster or slower however they'd like, but either way, I'm intrigued.

That is my biggest fear for this show. TWD sometimes does things that don't seem consistent with the backstory to me and it drives me nuts. If they throw out what we learned in the other show just to make it more interesting, I don't think I will watch.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2015, 03:33:20 AM »

Quote from: Lee on August 13, 2015, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 08:12:49 PM

Of course the writers can change the rules to make it happen faster or slower however they'd like, but either way, I'm intrigued.

That is my biggest fear for this show. TWD sometimes does things that don't seem consistent with the backstory to me and it drives me nuts. If they throw out what we learned in the other show just to make it more interesting, I don't think I will watch.

Check me if I'm wrong, but didn't the change take longer in the early seasons of TWD? Maybe some time elapses before everyone is infected and turns within minutes of dying.

There's also the possibility that the people of LA will defeat the outbreak and FTWD will only last one season. That would be unexpected.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2015, 11:32:33 PM »

LOL, yeah what if LA beat the zombie apocalypse, but because we are selfish bastards we just kept it to ourselves?   icon_lol
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2015, 07:35:22 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 08:12:49 PM

Both Lee and Punisher's comments/questions are I think what can/will make the new show interesting.  I don't think it was ever officially established how long Rick was out in a coma.  Even though it didn't quite gel, I was under the impression that it was over a month, maybe a couple months?
I believe that Rick was in a coma for over a month...however I don't think that's what you are really asking.. smile
You are probably wondering how long Rick was left in a coma after being abandoned...
I would guess only a few days at most. His IV fluids wouldn't last that long, even if they hit him up with new bags right before leaving. but even then, it is conceivable that the LA outbreak starts about 2 weeks or so before Rick wakes up. Again, it would take time before we found out the real threat AND released the info to the public. I can't think of a situation where anyone with clout (media, politician, emergency services, or military) would want to come out and say Zombies... They would want to quadruple check their facts and that takes time...(Especially if this coincided with the Halloween season!)
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2015, 07:36:45 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on August 14, 2015, 03:33:20 AM

Quote from: Lee on August 13, 2015, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 08:12:49 PM

Of course the writers can change the rules to make it happen faster or slower however they'd like, but either way, I'm intrigued.

That is my biggest fear for this show. TWD sometimes does things that don't seem consistent with the backstory to me and it drives me nuts. If they throw out what we learned in the other show just to make it more interesting, I don't think I will watch.

Check me if I'm wrong, but didn't the change take longer in the early seasons of TWD? Maybe some time elapses before everyone is infected and turns within minutes of dying.
I think that you are correct and that the timing also depends on the person.. Every sickness reacts differently to people. There are also probably people that are immune as well.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2015, 07:45:58 PM »

Quote from: Punisher on August 17, 2015, 07:36:45 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on August 14, 2015, 03:33:20 AM

Quote from: Lee on August 13, 2015, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: rittchard on August 13, 2015, 08:12:49 PM

Of course the writers can change the rules to make it happen faster or slower however they'd like, but either way, I'm intrigued.

That is my biggest fear for this show. TWD sometimes does things that don't seem consistent with the backstory to me and it drives me nuts. If they throw out what we learned in the other show just to make it more interesting, I don't think I will watch.

Check me if I'm wrong, but didn't the change take longer in the early seasons of TWD? Maybe some time elapses before everyone is infected and turns within minutes of dying.
I think that you are correct and that the timing also depends on the person.. Every sickness reacts differently to people. There are also probably people that are immune as well.

It isn't an illness though. Whatever they have, doesn't kill them or seem to have detrimental affect on their health. When they die, they come back, so immune system wouldn't have anything to do with it, would it? I guess we don't know enough of how it works, but it seems the rules change for dramatic effect.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2015, 08:42:02 PM »

Watching the promos and reading the initial reviews, it does sound like it's going to progress pretty fast, so I suspect most of my questions will be left unanswered.  I'm just curious how you go from a limited number of zombies roaming around slowly, to fires burning all over the place and giant buildings burning down.  Of course this is LA so we tend to burn shit down at the drop of a dime lol.

One thing I don't remember, was it established that being bitten would cause you to become sick and thus increase your chance of death?  I guess the whole thing for me is usually zombie infestation is a matter of a virus spreading (or not spreading).  Here the virus is ostensibly already spread so that's not what causes the overall "apocalypse," right? 
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2015, 09:09:17 PM »

I don't know if anything has been been set in stone for any Zombie Outbreak, but I think it usually falls into 1 of 2 options.
1) The bite kills you and spreads the virus. If you die without getting bit (natural cause or lead poisoning), you stay dead.
2) The virus is in most/everyone by some method and all death results in re-animation. Bites and/or scratches from Zombies kill you due to infection of some sort. This seems like the Walking Dead style.

However, the WD style could be a combo of the 2.
Everyone is a reservoir of the re-animation virus. Once you die and it activates, this generates a 2nd stage or mutation, that creates the new deadly version of the virus which the bites transmit.
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2015, 10:42:25 PM »

TWD exists in some parallel universe where John Romero never made a movie, the word "zombie" is never uttered, and the very concept of reanimated dead seems to be completely novel. Nobody ever says "Holy shitsnacks, zombies!" because they lack any frame of reference. Apparently that gives the outbreak more time to spread than if they were arguing about which zombie lore is pertinent.
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2015, 10:59:35 PM »

I was under the impression that everyone has whatever makes them a zombie. There is nothing you can avoid to get it, it just is. The how and why don't really matter though, at least in the original show. Maybe the new show wants to expand on the hows and whys?
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2015, 11:05:21 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on August 17, 2015, 10:42:25 PM

TWD exists in some parallel universe where John Romero never made a movie, the word "zombie" is never uttered, and the very concept of reanimated dead seems to be completely novel. Nobody ever says "Holy shitsnacks, zombies!" because they lack any frame of reference. Apparently that gives the outbreak more time to spread than if they were arguing about which zombie lore is pertinent.
not sure if you were serious or not, but it is a good valid point and explains why an outbreak could expand quickly.. if you have never even heard of zombies, then it goes a step further towards what i said we would do, even knowing about zombies..
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2015, 03:54:59 AM »

If it's a good point, then I was serious.   icon_cool
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2015, 05:10:17 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on August 18, 2015, 03:54:59 AM

If it's a good point, then I was serious.   icon_cool

Glad I could help!
But I really do think it is a good point. If we had never heard of zombies, we would never even think about how we really needed to handle it if an Outbreak happened. It would be treated as any other illness. Contain and treat.
Another thing that I have never seen a Zombie story do is what happens if it is a treatable, curable, and/or preventable illness? The Dead Rising games touch on this somewhat in that it is preventable, but what happens if it is somewhat curable? Will people then be able to kill zombies willy nilly?
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2015, 09:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Punisher on August 18, 2015, 05:10:17 PM

what happens if it is somewhat curable? Will people then be able to kill zombies willy nilly?

One could write a quasi-comical riff on only being allowed to kill zombies who were legally pronounced dead. The medical profession would have quite a quandary on its hands.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2015, 08:58:53 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on August 18, 2015, 09:51:35 PM

Quote from: Punisher on August 18, 2015, 05:10:17 PM

what happens if it is somewhat curable? Will people then be able to kill zombies willy nilly?

One could write a quasi-comical riff on only being allowed to kill zombies who were legally pronounced dead. The medical profession would have quite a quandary on its hands.  icon_biggrin
I would guess that this wouldn't too far off.. majorly damaged zombies would probably be ok, but minor damaged ones would be different... and would society last long enough to be able to safely capture and cure them in the first place.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2015, 02:14:48 AM »

Punisher, that theory of "killed w/o bite, stay dead" was done away with at the end of Season 2 w/ Shane. Also, his death/reanimation illustrated that there is no set time frame for when the dead turn. Earlier in the show, Andrea stayed with her sister all night (or so I remember) and she finally turned in the morning. So I think they've left themselves enough openings to change things up as much as they want depending on the direction they choose to go in.
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2015, 05:33:50 AM »

Got to say, it's really good and well done for the most part. Could end up being better then TWD because I find the idea of how it all starts as being really interesting. Could have done without the silly scare tactics such as the principal in the chair, or the step-dad exploring the church when everything has disappeared, but otherwise very good.
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2015, 01:30:16 PM »

Quote from: Ironrod on August 17, 2015, 10:42:25 PM

TWD exists in some parallel universe where John Romero never made a movie, the word "zombie" is never uttered, and the very concept of reanimated dead seems to be completely novel. Nobody ever says "Holy shitsnacks, zombies!" because they lack any frame of reference. Apparently that gives the outbreak more time to spread than if they were arguing about which zombie lore is pertinent.

That always bugs me; how zombie shows/games actively avoid the word "zombie."
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2015, 01:31:57 PM »

Uncertain that the slow burn of the show is for me.. 
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2015, 11:40:55 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on August 24, 2015, 01:31:57 PM

Uncertain that the slow burn of the show is for me.. 

I'm actually very pleased with the "burn rate" - I was afraid it would be too fast based on the reviews I read.  I think if they accelerated too quickly it would just be TWD: LA.  For this show I'd like to see/explore the full breakdown of society, so I'd really prefer a slower burn.  Watching the previews, though, it looks like it might ramp up pretty quickly.
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2015, 05:06:52 PM »

I would have liked to see a more rapid 'burn' to be honest. I liked the buildup  -but at the half-way or just beyond that I would have liked to see a little more action.
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2015, 05:53:38 PM »

I liked Cliff Curtis in the too-short lived (imho) NBC paramedics show Trauma in 2009-10.

I dutifully watched the premiere. I found the junkie son annoying and the daughter character obnoxious. I'm not really sure I want to spend a whole season with those two characters though maybe it's unfair to judge that based on one episode. Most TV critics have only gotten to see the first two episodes, I've read.

The cynic in me finds the show's premise something of an amalgamation of:
-The Brady Bunch and The Odd Couple ("Can these two divorced parents and their surly kids get along in the post-apocalypse without driving each other crazy???")
-Breaking Bad ("Ooooh, the seemingly upstanding citizen-best friend of the junkie is actually
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I'll dutifully watch the whole season, I certainly want to embrace it.

I just question whether I'll really want to spend time with these characters, and question just how many seasons they can squeeze out of the "the characters aren't quite sure what's happening yet" angle. I figure at some point a light bulb has to go on, "Oh, this is why people are eating each other!" and then at that point the show needs to stand on something else beyond that and the "let's run around in LA streets, alleys and slums instead of Atlanta woods, roads and train tacks" angle.
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2015, 06:22:14 PM »

Why do you have a duty to watch the show Blackjack?

You guys are weird, I complain about TWD being too slow, the characters annoying, and everyone here thinks I am nuts. This show I liked and everyone seems to think it was too slow and the characters are annoying. icon_smile
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2015, 08:55:48 PM »

They could have cut the show down by 20 minutes by removing the teen angst. Otherwise, I liked it.
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