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« on: May 02, 2013, 01:15:19 AM »

PepsiCo pulls ad after numerous claims of racism.

Even if it wasn't racist, it's still just a really, really bad commercial.  I would say the ad company behind it will be struggling to come back from this one for a while.
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 01:37:25 AM »

How is it racist because everyone in the line up is black?  Or because they're all black and in there with a goat?  I'm not sure I've ever heard a racial thing about blacks and goats.

What's the deal with the goat? Is that MD's new mascot?

Either way, it's the stupidest commercial I've ever seen.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 02:07:46 AM »

Quote from: ATB on May 02, 2013, 01:37:25 AM

How is it racist because everyone in the line up is black?  Or because they're all black and in there with a goat?  I'm not sure I've ever heard a racial thing about blacks and goats.

What's the deal with the goat? Is that MD's new mascot?

Either way, it's the stupidest commercial I've ever seen.


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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 02:24:11 AM »

that is dumb-cray.  besides, everyone knows that goats have Mancunian accents.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 02:31:52 AM »

Wow, "snitches get stitches"? Aside from being dumb, it is racist showing all black folks in a line-up, white folks behind the mirror, and a goat voiced by a black rapper, who is speaking a variety of stereotypical gang terminology.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 03:10:30 AM »

Fail. All that commercial made me crave was grape Nehi.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 02:20:55 PM »

How the hell did that make it to production?  I feel like there was some kind of dare going on.
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 02:41:32 PM »

Wow! This commercial cracked me up. If this skit were in a Wayan's brothers movie no one would have said a word. Ridiculous oversensitive media strikes again.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 02:57:35 PM »

Quote from: Crusis on May 02, 2013, 02:41:32 PM

Wow! This commercial cracked me up. If this skit were in a Wayan's brothers movie no one would have said a word. Ridiculous oversensitive media strikes again.

Really?  You thought that was actually funny?  You're being completely serious?

And it would actually work in a wayan's brothers movie because those things are simply unwatchable (with the exception of I'm Gonna Git You Sucka which actually wasn't a film by the brothers...just Keenan.  So is exempt from the tragically true statement "All Wayan Brothers films are simply not funny.")
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2013, 03:21:02 PM »

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Quote from: Crusis on May 02, 2013, 02:41:32 PM

Wow! This commercial cracked me up. If this skit were in a Wayan's brothers movie no one would have said a word. Ridiculous oversensitive media strikes again.

Really?  You thought that was actually funny?  You're being completely serious?

And it would actually work in a wayan's brothers movie because those things are simply unwatchable (with the exception of I'm Gonna Git You Sucka which actually wasn't a film by the brothers...just Keenan.  So is exempt from the tragically true statement "All Wayan Brothers films are simply not funny.")

Yeah, I'm not offended by it personally on any level than someone putting it out there as humor. 

OTOH, I can see where someone would find it offensive and am surprised that no one along the production line didn't raise a flag.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 03:32:30 PM »

It's what I imagine one of the Scary Movies films would be like if directed by David Lynch.

...and not in the awesome way you think it would turn out.
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 06:53:44 PM »

That was horribleÖ I donít get whatís racist about it though.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 07:04:16 PM »

Tyler the Creator (stage name) production company produced these commercials and is alternative rapper/ mc.  Some of his music is very disturbing along with videos.  Its not racist per see, but the battered woman is very disturbing. Again, knowing the producer of the commercial it doesn't surprise me.  He's the Marilyn Manson of rap and I'm surprised Pepsi used his production company
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 08:36:06 PM »

I don't consider it the most racist ad in history (God knows you only have to go back about 30 years or so to see some truly racist ads), but I do think that it attempts to present some racist stereotypes in a stumbling, juvenile manner that ends up looking like an endorsement for why those stereotypes exist. ESPECIALLY in light of how misogynistic and disturbing it was.

There's a fine line between tragedy and comedy.  Dark humor CAN be funny...but you have to be a skilled comic to know when something goes from funny to just plain disturbing.  Tyler the Creator appears to be completely and utterly without skill in that area.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2013, 11:49:39 PM »

Everyone in the line up is black* (and stereotypically, with do rags and chains and such) and, although the video doesn't seem to be working right now, at least the two main characters on the good guy side were white (if not everyone there).  And then the goat's monologue is insanely misogynistic, and since he's lumped in with all the black stereotypes...racism.



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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 01:28:48 AM »

are you saying a goat can't be black?  specist.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 01:47:08 AM »

Pretty sure there's a black cop in there too (I refuse to watch it again). Does that make it better?

This reeks of making a story out of nothing a la the 'uproar' over a white guy doing a jamaican accent in that VW superbowl commercial (which was GREAT).
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2013, 02:31:46 AM »

What would you consider racist?  Define what constitutes racism for ATB.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2013, 03:46:07 AM »

Jamie Foxx saying black people are the most talented people in the world.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2013, 05:18:20 AM »

There isn't a big enough eye roll smiley, ATB.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2013, 11:42:35 AM »

Okay, so racism for you means thinking you're better than anyone else because of your race?  If so, do you understand that creating and repeating a negative stereotype about a race might be one way a racist might reinforce that belief?
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2013, 12:55:47 PM »

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Okay, so racism for you means thinking you're better than anyone else because of your race?  If so, do you understand that creating and repeating a negative stereotype about a race might be one way a racist might reinforce that belief?

I'm not defending the commercial. I just don't see overt racism and I think people are reaching too far to get angry about it.  The commercial is satirical and it should be taken in that spirit. The rules for satire are different.

When Richard Pryor did his white guy impression was he being racist?
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2013, 02:05:41 PM »

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Okay, so racism for you means thinking you're better than anyone else because of your race?  If so, do you understand that creating and repeating a negative stereotype about a race might be one way a racist might reinforce that belief?

I'm not defending the commercial. I just don't see overt racism and I think people are reaching too far to get angry about it.  The commercial is satirical and it should be taken in that spirit. The rules for satire are different.

When Richard Pryor did his white guy impression was he being racist?

Superman was white. Richard Pryor tried to get him killed. So yes, yes he was.

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2013, 02:15:00 PM »

After reading all the comments here I have come around. The racial stereotypes of talking goats has gone too fucking far. As the co-author of a novel containing a talking goat I find this commercial neither funny nor in good taste and plan to get good and mad about it very soon.

I hope the rapper, Tyler, that created this travesty, is prepared for my full and righteous indignation.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2013, 02:30:34 PM »

I love the internet.  Everyone thinks they're Jonathan Swift.  However, I now believe you were being serious when you said you thought the commercial was hilarious.

Back on topic:  just because a black person can express racist ideas it doesn't invalidate any other incidents.  Pryor was using satire, but since that's subjective I can understand how some may consider it racist.  But even if you believe he was just being racist, it doesn't automatically mean that any other cases of racism is suddenly without merit. 
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 02:48:50 PM »

The other dudes in the lineup are in Tyler's rap group, right? And Tyler's place is taken by the goat, which he voices. That all makes sense on some level. I think people are getting upset over two things: the misogyny, and equating young African American males with animals (which is a comparison that has unfortunately been around for a very long time).
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2013, 02:51:24 PM »

Like I said earlier, I'm more shocked at how god awfully unfunny the commercial is.  It's far more disturbing than anything else.
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2013, 03:08:59 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on May 03, 2013, 02:51:24 PM

Like I said earlier, I'm more shocked at how god awfully unfunny the commercial is.  It's far more disturbing than anything else.

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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2013, 03:27:59 PM »

I don't think it's racist cause I know the artist work.  I am not a fan of his music and videos   NSFW due to language and imagery
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2013, 04:00:47 PM »

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I love the internet.  Everyone thinks they're Jonathan Swift. 

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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2013, 04:03:38 PM »

Intention and perception are sometimes two very different things.  I'm willing to admit that his intention may not have been racially motivated, but it seems that he himself apparently embraces a stereotype that has negative and racial connotations (something rap musicians are often accused of...rightfully so in some cases, but not always).  So in this case it may just be a case of either satire (in which case it's just badly written satire), or just a person who embodies a stereotype willingly.
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2013, 09:39:45 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on May 03, 2013, 04:00:47 PM

Quote from: hepcat on May 03, 2013, 02:30:34 PM

I love the internet.  Everyone thinks they're Jonathan Swift. 

I don't, but by Jupiter's cock I AM IRON SPARTACUS!

Literally LOL.   Well played, sir.  Well played. 
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