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« on: October 31, 2004, 02:59:52 AM »

Oh what a great day for college football.  2 of my most hated college teams go down in flames against also-rans in their conferences.  It'll be very interesting to see how this shakes up both the top 10 and the BCS standings.

As a Utah fan, this couldn't be better.  #3 Miami loses to a UNC team that we crushed by 30 a couple weeks ago, and 2 teams ranked ahead of us both lose.  And we're up 33-21 at halftime over SDSU.  What a great day so far...
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2004, 03:53:12 AM »

Maryland fan here.  This is the Maryland team I expected all year.  Maryland seems to play up or down to their opponents.  I was quite thrilled Maryland won.  Sadly, they won't get a bowl invite this year unless the finish strong.   ACC football is getting a hell of alot better.  With Boston College joining next year we will be a football powerhouse
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2004, 06:49:26 AM »

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against also-rans in their conferences.  


We're having a down year this year, but Maryland is one of five division I programs to have won 10 games or more the past 4 years.  Save your also-ran comment for teams like Clemson...
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2004, 07:04:10 AM »

It was an interesting week.  OU almost lost again to OSU, and Baylor won vs. a top 25 team.

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2004, 02:42:34 PM »

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against also-rans in their conferences.  


We're having a down year this year, but Maryland is one of five division I programs to have won 10 games or more the past 4 years.  Save your also-ran comment for teams like Clemson...


Sorry, I was just talking about this year.  Maryland is 9th in the ACC and UNC is 5th.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 03:55:58 PM »

G'damn Sparties gave away that game at the end to Michigan.

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Typical Michigan State.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 04:13:03 PM »

Miami, Florida State and Florida all lost during the same week for the 1st time since the '70's.
  Regarding the Michigan-Michigan State game,  most teams that lose in OT feel like they gave the game away.  The truth is that MSU played a great game against a superior team and almost won.  I believe that if the QB for State hadnt gone down U of M would have lost, he was tearing them up.  Also give props to Edwards, he had a Heisman trophy kind of game.  Even though State lost, it was one of the most exciting football games Ive ever watched.  Absolutely a classic!
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2004, 07:47:51 PM »

I'm sorry, but some things in life have to be said:

Including the perennial ridiculously overrated Texas A&M (even seen A&m's lifetime record against top ten rated teams?), Utah's opponents have had a collective .384 winning percentage.  Sorry Gratch, but your team is a fraud as a BCS player.  I will give you, however, that they at least played named schools in the pre-season (as opposed to the Kansas State or Wisconsin schedule: Blind Nuns, the local high school, and the local retirement home).

Understand I don't rip your team in order to tell you, "your team sucks", I'm just pointing out the truth.  I'm a Wisconsin Badger fan, and I have to live year in and year out with 'almost there" team.  Last year was poor, but this year they could make a run at the BCS.  If that happens, I get to watch them stink it up in a game against a balanced opponent who will kill them.  (I give Minnesota a 75% chance to knock off the Badgers next week.  They've done it to us multiple times in the Alvarez era.  I would be 100%, but MN is starting to look like they just gave up on the season.)
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2004, 08:32:21 PM »

All I can say is...we'll see.  Honestly, no one will have any idea how good Utah really is until (hopefully) they play their BCS game.  We've completely destroyed every team we've faced, but we have yet to play anybody good.  I think it's great that we might get the chance to prove something in a BCS game.  If we lose, then I'll agree with you and say we were overrated.  But if we win a BCS game, then is Utah still a "complete fraud"?  Nope.  Unfortunately, we won't know until the end of the season.  A Utah BCS win would also go a long way towards proving what we all already know;  that the BCS is a complete crock 'o shit.  

Really, the only way to compare is to look at common opponents of Utah and the other BCS contenders.  For example, the same UNC team that we hung close to 700 yards of offense on a couple weeks ago just beat the #3 team in the BCS.  So what does that say about the teams ranked ahead of us?
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2004, 09:32:52 PM »

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Really, the only way to compare is to look at common opponents of Utah and the other BCS contenders.  For example, the same UNC team that we hung close to 700 yards of offense on a couple weeks ago just beat the #3 team in the BCS.  So what does that say about the teams ranked ahead of us?


That your team had better personnel matchups to UNC than Miami did?
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2004, 04:46:53 AM »

Gratch, the problem with UNC and Miami, is that Miami has repeatedly played down to their level of opposition, and frankly, if you're a member of the UNC team, who are you going to be more fired up to play?  Utah, or the perennial title contender Miami(FL)?  

Oh, and I agree with you that BCS is bs.  There was no college champion last year.  Oklahoma lost their immediately prior game to the title game:  name many any other time in sports where a title game/series started and one of the two teams had lost the immediate prior game? Fact is, the ultra-corrupt NCAA had already figured they had so much money in Oklahoma they weren't gonna let something so trivial as the actual results of a football game  affect their decision.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2004, 12:45:23 PM »

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Gratch, the problem with UNC and Miami, is that Miami has repeatedly played down to their level of opposition, and frankly, if you're a member of the UNC team, who are you going to be more fired up to play?  Utah, or the perennial title contender Miami(FL)?  


OK, but that sounds more like a reason for Miami to be considered a "fraud" in the BCS than for Utah to be.  If you consistently play down to weak opponents, then can't manage to get mentally prepared to play a team you're supposed to crush, then you have no business being one of the top 3 teams.  

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Oh, and I agree with you that BCS is bs. There was no college champion last year. Oklahoma lost their immediately prior game to the title game: name many any other time in sports where a title game/series started and one of the two teams had lost the immediate prior game? Fact is, the ultra-corrupt NCAA had already figured they had so much money in Oklahoma they weren't gonna let something so trivial as the actual results of a football game affect their decision.


Sadly, that's very true.  There is so much money wrapped up in the bowl system that we will never see a true playoff system in the NCAA.  Therefore, we will never truly see if a team like Utah (or any other mid-major team) is grossly overrated, or if they can actually hang with the "big boys".  I think it's ridiculous that a weak conference like the Big East gets an automatic BCS bid, while many other deserving teams will get shut out.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2004, 10:15:05 PM »

Well, I guess Wisconsin fans can now be very happy, since they just leapfrogged Utah in the BCS during a fucking bye week.  Utah blows out SDSU by 30 on the road, and yet they still get jumped in the newest BCS standings by a team that didn't even play.

I don't know what Alvarez did at practice this week, but it must have been absolutely incredible to jump up in the rankings.  Nice system, BCS.  :roll: [/b]
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2004, 12:43:55 AM »

Sorry 'bout that Gratch.  :shock:
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 01:37:25 AM »

Wow. Just wow. Wisconsin is also 8-0. Wisconsin plays in the Big Ten. There is no way you do not understand the difference in competition.
Wisconsins schedule:
Sep 4   vs Central Florida   W, 34-6
Sep 11   vs UNLV   W, 18-3
Sep 18   at Arizona   W, 9-7
Sep 25   vs Penn State   W, 16-3
Oct 2   vs Illinois   W, 24-7
Oct 9   at Ohio State   W, 24-13
Oct 16   at Purdue   W, 20-17
Oct 23   vs Northwestern   W, 24-12
Nov 6   vs Minnesota   3:30 PM
Nov 13   at Michigan State   TBA
Nov 20   at Iowa   TBA

Utah's schedule:
Sep 2   vs Texas A&M   W, 41-21
Sep 11   at Arizona   W, 23-6
Sep 18   at Utah State   W, 48-6
Sep 25   vs Air Force   W, 49-35
Oct 1   at New Mexico   W, 28-7
Oct 16   vs North Carolina   W, 46-16
Oct 23   vs UNLV   W, 63-28
Oct 30   at San Diego State   W, 51-28
Nov 6   vs Colorado State   TBA
Nov 13   at Wyoming   7:00 PM
Nov 20   vs BYU   TBA

Ok. you have two common games, adn Utah won them both by more impressive margins. Ok, good for you. If you can honestly tell me that the schedule UTah plays even approximately approaches the schedule of a Big Ten team, well there is something wrong here.

And unless I am misunderstanding you, you think that the fact that you killed North Carolina who beat Miami means anything? Guess what, my team killed North Carolina too, I guess we are going to beat Miami by default.

Not to metnion the record of Utah's opponents is an aggregate .380.

Lets see Utah play in the ACC or god forbid, the SEC. Utah is a reasonably talented team playing well above themselves and racking up points against mediocre competition.

I woudl be the first to agree that the NCAA and the BCS are corrupt, flawed institutions, but I fear the very rude awakening Utah is in for if they reach a BCS bowl game.
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2004, 06:33:43 AM »

Everyone cried foul when Oklahoma was in the NC game instead of USC. But if OU had beaten Kansas State, USC *still* wouldn't have made the NC game.  Oklahoma lost one game, just like USC and Cal. Everyone seemed to forget that USC lost at home to Cal, who, at the time, wasn't highly rated. Hell, LSU lost at home, to Florida. Doesn't anyone remember those loses? The short memory of pollsters is silly.

The biggest problem is this: There are 117 programs in Division 1. During any one season, the chance of two teams being undefeated and from the "right" conference is low. Every other year, someone complains. There's just two many teams and leagues.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2004, 01:25:22 PM »

Actually, I freely admitted we haven't played anybody good.  From my second post:

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We've completely destroyed every team we've faced, but we have yet to play anybody good.


Let me try to repeat what I already said.  We will never know how good this team is.  If they go out and get trounced in a BCS game, or lose one of their last 3 games, then you're absolutely right...we're overrated.  But the way the system is set up, we will never know that.

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Ok. you have two common games, adn Utah won them both by more impressive margins. Ok, good for you. If you can honestly tell me that the schedule UTah plays even approximately approaches the schedule of a Big Ten team, well there is something wrong here.


OK.  Then how, exactly, are we supposed to compare teams who will never face each other?  IMO, the only way to compare is to look at common opponents.  Wisconsin barely squeaks by Arizona and UNLV teams that Utah completely dominates, yet I'm supposed to look at that and say that Wisconsin is better simply because they play in the Big 10?  I guess that logic is as flawed to me as my logic is to you.  Yes, the MWC is down this year.  There's no question about that.  But to say that Utah wouldn't be able to compete against such powerhouses as Penn State (2-6), Northwestern (4-4), Michigan State (4-4) in the Big 10 is simply ridiculous. True, they might not be 8-0 after facing Ohio St. or Wisconsin, but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be close to the top of that conference as well.

But, again, we'll never know...

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Not to metnion the record of Utah's opponents is an aggregate .380.


And the record of Wisconsin's opponents is 37-53.  Better than Utah's, but not exactly stellar, eh? (.411 if I did my math right)

BTW, I'm not trying to bash on Wisconsin or the Big 10.  I just think it's ridiculous that they can jump spots in the BCS during a bye week.  

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I woudl be the first to agree that the NCAA and the BCS are corrupt, flawed institutions, but I fear the very rude awakening Utah is in for if they reach a BCS bowl game.


We completely agree on the first part.  On the second, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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