NFL 2011 Offseason Discussion -2012 Draft Edition

[naednek]

Pete, you are back after a looooooong break from this thread!

Two days?

 

There just isn't much to talk about in Philadelphia outside of baseball right now.  Plus, the "49ers 2011 Offseason Discussion" thread doesn't always hold much interest for me.   

hey this thread is open to all teams, it's not my fault you guys are too embarrassed to talk about your teams

[leo8877]

So the Saints and Sean Payton, after saying sorry a lot and acting like they learned a lesson, have appealed their punishments.  I wonder if Goodell would give them even stricter punishments if he could now.

[PeteRock]

hey this thread is open to all teams, it's not my fault you guys are too embarrassed to talk about your teams

Embarrassed?  Nah.  Just disinterested in the false bravado that seems to manifest when the Niners manage to have a winning season for the first time in a decade.

Although I'll take constant Niners updates to the still inconceivable fascination with a quarterback who can't seem to play the position of quarterback.   

[Hrothgar]

Although I'll take constant Niners updates to the still inconceivable fascination with a quarterback who can't seem to play the position of quarterback.   

Hey, Vick wasn't the problem last year.  It was mostly the utterly confused Eagles defense.     

[PeteRock]

Although I'll take constant Niners updates to the still inconceivable fascination with a quarterback who can't seem to play the position of quarterback.   

Hey, Vick wasn't the problem last year.  It was mostly the utterly confused Eagles defense.     

Guess I left myself open for that one.   

In the name of the father, son, and holy Tebow...amen.

[leo8877]

Jets could be the Hard Knocks again this year!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/04/02/jets-hard-knocks.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp

[Suitably Ironic Moniker]

If Redskins routinely win the offseason, the Jets are the Super Bowl champs of self-promotion. What idiots.

[Devil]

I bet Tebow knows the names of all Cromartie's kids.

[Devil]

New Niners uniform released today.

[leo8877]

New Niners uniform released today.

Looks like only Seahawks had real changes. Not real sure how I feel about them. Lots of collegiate tones.

[Devil]

I like the Seahawks new uni's. I liked the old ones too. That little bit of neon green is awesome.

[Isgrimnur]

I prefer the new Buffalo unis to the old bright blue pinstripe nonsense.

[naednek]

Man the niners must have pissed off everyone last year

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/before-final-game-gregg-williams-urged-saints-to-injure-49ers/

Before his final game as defensive coordinator of the New Orleans Saints, Gregg Williams stepped before his players and urged them to physically hurt players on the 49ers.  Williams has long loved the phrase, “Kill the head and the body will die,” and he used that phrase in talking to his players. He also specifically told them to go for the head of 49ers running back Frank Gore.

“We’ve got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore’s head,” Williams told his players. “We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways.”

Williams also talked about trying to inflict a knee injury on 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree and referenced 49ers receiver Kyle Williams, who has had multiple concussions.

“We need to find out in the first two series of the game, the little wide receiver, No. 10, about his concussion,” Gregg Williams told his players about Kyle Williams. “We need to [expletive] put a lick on him, move him to decide. He needs to decide.”

And then this story came out shortly afterwards, which I actually heard this before...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/05/gregg-williams-audio-puts-hits-on-kyle-williams-head-back-into-focus/

a pair of Giants players admitted following the NFC title game that part of the strategy was to hit punt returner Kyle Williams in the head.

“The thing is, we knew he had four concussions, so that was our biggest thing, was to take him outta the game,” linebacker Jacquain Williams said at the time regarding Williams, who muffed a punt and fumbled a punt during San Francisco.

[leo8877]

Goodell is not going to modify the suspensions

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/04/09/saints.suspensions.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

[leo8877]

Wow the Niners got fucked again in scheduling.  Open AT GB, then home against DET, then in consecutive weeks AT MIN and AT NYJ.

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2012/REG1

[Ænima]

Wow the Niners got fucked again in scheduling.  Open AT GB, then home against DET, then in consecutive weeks AT MIN and AT NYJ.

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2012/REG1

Oh yeah, totally fucked. I mean, the second seed in the NFC has to play two playoff teams in their first four games. And their strength of schedule is #24. Boo fucking hoo.

[leo8877]

Wow the Niners got fucked again in scheduling.  Open AT GB, then home against DET, then in consecutive weeks AT MIN and AT NYJ.

http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2012/REG1

Oh yeah, totally fucked. I mean, the second seed in the NFC has to play two playoff teams in their first four games. And their strength of schedule is #24. Boo fucking hoo.

Travel distance.

[Devil]

I hope the Pats get more Sunday 1:00 games at home. Only 2 last season!!!

Saw the schedule...4!

[The Grue]

Saints coming to Denver to play!  Must get tickets!

[naednek]

Saints coming to Denver to play!  Must get tickets!

You putting down $$$ on which denver player gets taken out?

[leo8877]

I thought everyone should know the Niners broke ground on their new stadium yesterday.

[Zarkon]

Loving it.  Texans get 2 Sunday night, 2 Monday nights and a Thanksgiving game.  Woot!

[rickfc]

Loving it.  Texans get 2 Sunday night, 2 Monday nights and a Thanksgiving game.  Woot!

w00t!!!

[naednek]

Loving it.  Texans get 2 Sunday night, 2 Monday nights and a Thanksgiving game.  Woot!

better hope you don't have to travel cross country for that thanksgiving game. 

[gellar]

Jesus christ, 49er fans sure love bitching about schedules.

[naednek]

Jesus christ, 49er fans sure love bitching about schedules.

Sarcasm Gellar, sarcasm.  Calm down, you don't have to find every opportunity to be insulting.

You're right, they do.  My coworker couldn't stop complaining about that game.  He kept blaming the schedule on how they had 4 days to prepare for the game including jet lag.  I told him that's a lame excuse.  They're professionals and are paid generously to deal with that. 

The real reason they lost that game was not because of jet lag or lack or prep time, it was because they abandoned their style of offense, couldn't convert on 3rd down, couldn't protect the QB, and dropped pass after dropped pass.

[leo8877]

Jesus christ, 49er fans sure love bitching about schedules.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/20/SPK01O6QL4.DTL

[leo8877]

Man the hits keep on coming for the Saints

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7846290/new-orleans-saints-mickey-loomis-eavesdrop-opposing-coaches-home-games

[Devil]

That might even be worse than Belichick taping coaches from the wrong location.

[Suitably Ironic Moniker]

Yeah, even if they can show that the Saints never used or gained a benefit from this system (what are the chances of that), Loomis has to be fired after this one.

[The Grue]

Guess it's time to get the paper bags out again, but for a completely different reason.

[Doopri]

Yeah, even if they can show that the Saints never used or gained a benefit from this system (what are the chances of that), Loomis has to be fired after this one might end up in federal prison over this one.

its never good when the district court knows more about whats going on than the nfl

[Suitably Ironic Moniker]

According to the article on ESPN, unless they find he used it after 2005, the statute of limitations has run out.

[theohall]

Yeah, even if they can show that the Saints never used or gained a benefit from this system (what are the chances of that), Loomis has to be fired after this one.

Why?  Belicheat didn't get fired for stealing signals using technology.  Why should Loomis be fired for stealing coaching info using technology? 

[Doopri]

he wont get fired the nfl will black list him.  how long will they tolerate a guy who shows no regard for the rules and norms of the nfl (if this is shown to be true)

plus i think we can all agreed that filming sideline signals and pregame practices is leagues away from electronically eavesdropping and monitoring every single bit of communication that occurs through an opposing teams players, coaches and coordinators headsets

if my neighbor snaps a picture of my car every day as i pull in to my drive hes going to get a talking to - if he installs a microphone in my dash were going to have a problem

[Devil]

Yeah, even if they can show that the Saints never used or gained a benefit from this system (what are the chances of that), Loomis has to be fired after this one.

Why?  Belicheat didn't get fired for stealing signals using technology.  Why should Loomis be fired for stealing coaching info using technology? 

Well, you CAN film the opposing coaches. You CAN'T tap into their headsets.

[leo8877]

A website I often frequent -teamradio.ca- has reported that TSN has some  inside info on a pending Luongo trade. Apparently Bobby Lu  has submitted a list of teams he'd waive his no-trade clause for and the Leafs are high on the list. The article text:
 

TSN is reporting that goalie Roberto Luongo will submit a short list of teams to the Canucks next week that could pave the way for a trade out of Vancouver.
 
The Toronto Maple Leafs are reportedly one of the teams on that list.
 
Sportsnet’s Dan Murphy tweeted Wednesday night that the Tampa Bay Lightning are also on the list. While Nick Kypreos tweeted early Thursday morning that Luongo had asked the team for a trade in his exit meetings.

Of course the source is TSN and in particular Kypreos, who I always take with a grain pound ton of salt. Still, I won't be surprised if its true and considering Leaf's Exec Dave Poulin was the person who brought him to Vancouver, Toronto as a destination could have some clout.  Absolutely awesome if this pans out an it means the Canucks keep Schneider.  

What does this have to do with the NFL!? 

[kronovan]

A website I often frequent -teamradio.ca- has reported that TSN has some  inside info on a pending Luongo trade. Apparently Bobby Lu  has submitted a list of teams he'd waive his no-trade clause for and the Leafs are high on the list. The article text:
 

TSN is reporting that goalie Roberto Luongo will submit a short list of teams to the Canucks next week that could pave the way for a trade out of Vancouver.
 
The Toronto Maple Leafs are reportedly one of the teams on that list.
 
Sportsnet’s Dan Murphy tweeted Wednesday night that the Tampa Bay Lightning are also on the list. While Nick Kypreos tweeted early Thursday morning that Luongo had asked the team for a trade in his exit meetings.

Of course the source is TSN and in particular Kypreos, who I always take with a grain pound ton of salt. Still, I won't be surprised if its true and considering Leaf's Exec Dave Poulin was the person who brought him to Vancouver, Toronto as a destination could have some clout.  Absolutely awesome if this pans out an it means the Canucks keep Schneider.  

What does this have to do with the NFL!? 

Whoops wrong thread! Thanks for pointing that out Leo. Guess I should put my glasses on before I post. 

[leo8877]

A website I often frequent -teamradio.ca- has reported that TSN has some  inside info on a pending Luongo trade. Apparently Bobby Lu  has submitted a list of teams he'd waive his no-trade clause for and the Leafs are high on the list. The article text:
 

TSN is reporting that goalie Roberto Luongo will submit a short list of teams to the Canucks next week that could pave the way for a trade out of Vancouver.
 
The Toronto Maple Leafs are reportedly one of the teams on that list.
 
Sportsnet’s Dan Murphy tweeted Wednesday night that the Tampa Bay Lightning are also on the list. While Nick Kypreos tweeted early Thursday morning that Luongo had asked the team for a trade in his exit meetings.

Of course the source is TSN and in particular Kypreos, who I always take with a grain pound ton of salt. Still, I won't be surprised if its true and considering Leaf's Exec Dave Poulin was the person who brought him to Vancouver, Toronto as a destination could have some clout.  Absolutely awesome if this pans out an it means the Canucks keep Schneider.  

What does this have to do with the NFL!? 

Whoops wrong thread! Thanks for pointing that out Leo. Guess I should put my glasses on before I post. 

 

[theohall]

Yeah, even if they can show that the Saints never used or gained a benefit from this system (what are the chances of that), Loomis has to be fired after this one.

Why?  Belicheat didn't get fired for stealing signals using technology.  Why should Loomis be fired for stealing coaching info using technology? 

Well, you CAN film the opposing coaches. You CAN'T tap into their headsets.

So why was Belicheat punished for filming opposing coaches?  It seems you can't legally film them.

Thursday night Bill Belichick was hit with the stiffest possible fine by the league for his part in taping the play calling of the New York Jets. He will pay $500,000, while the New England Patriots will be fined $250,000 and a draft pick, or two, depending on how they finish the season.