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« Reply #1040 on: March 07, 2012, 01:19:54 PM »

Wow.

Despite more or less seeing something like this coming, it's still somewhat of a surprise and a bit disappointing, obviously for local fans but also for those accustomed to seeing him in blue and white. 

Best of luck to Peyton, wherever he may land, and here's also to hoping that his career is far from over as he is one of the most intelligent players I have ever seen play the game. 

Too bad Philadelphia prefers players with slightly more questionable character.   disgust
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« Reply #1041 on: March 07, 2012, 02:10:03 PM »

Jets, please!

I'll also settle for Miami.
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« Reply #1042 on: March 07, 2012, 02:50:02 PM »

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« Reply #1043 on: March 07, 2012, 04:27:01 PM »

Quote from: Devil on March 07, 2012, 02:10:03 PM

Jets, please!

I'll also settle for Miami.

Rumor is that both Washington and Miami may be VERY interested in Manning.  Next down the list I've heard references to KC and Arizona.  I'd rather not see him come to the NFC East, so anywhere other than Washington works for me. 
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« Reply #1044 on: March 07, 2012, 06:27:31 PM »

Maybe Jerry will pay him enough to carry the clipboard for Romo.  ninja
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« Reply #1045 on: March 07, 2012, 10:19:49 PM »

Oh great, now the Redskins will be tempted to make yet another bad QB decision.
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« Reply #1046 on: March 07, 2012, 10:22:26 PM »

Quote from: KC on March 07, 2012, 10:19:49 PM

Oh great, now the Redskins will be tempted to make yet another bad QB decision.

Manning in a wheelchair is still preferable to most prior decisions.   icon_wink
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« Reply #1047 on: March 08, 2012, 01:18:20 AM »

Redskins need to trade up for the QB that Indy leaves behind (please be RG3).
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« Reply #1048 on: March 08, 2012, 02:37:15 AM »

Quote from: PeteRock on March 07, 2012, 04:27:01 PM

Quote from: Devil on March 07, 2012, 02:10:03 PM

Jets, please!

I'll also settle for Miami.

Rumor is that both Washington and Miami may be VERY interested in Manning.  Next down the list I've heard references to KC and Arizona.  I'd rather not see him come to the NFC East, so anywhere other than Washington works for me. 

Really? I want him in the AFC East so the Pats get to play him twice a year.
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« Reply #1049 on: March 10, 2012, 03:54:08 AM »

The Redskins are going to give up 3 (!!!) first round draft picks and this year's 2nd rounder to the Rams to move up to #2 in the draft this year.

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« Reply #1050 on: March 10, 2012, 04:37:34 AM »

Quote from: pr0ner on March 10, 2012, 03:54:08 AM

The Redskins are going to give up 3 (!!!) first round draft picks and this year's 2nd rounder to the Rams to move up to #2 in the draft this year.

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« Reply #1051 on: March 10, 2012, 04:11:04 PM »

When you can get a highly regarded QB to lead your franchise, you do it. It's a big gamble, but the 'Skins need to make this kind of move if they want a QB of the future.
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« Reply #1052 on: March 10, 2012, 05:36:54 PM »

Interesting...making that kind of trade for the 2nd pick would suggest that the Redskins are not interested in Manning, and the Jets are also out of the running after signing a 3-year deal with Sanchez.  The list of suitors gets a little smaller...
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« Reply #1053 on: March 10, 2012, 06:01:12 PM »

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on March 10, 2012, 04:11:04 PM

When you can get a highly regarded QB to lead your franchise, you do it. It's a big gamble, but the 'Skins need to make this kind of move if they want a QB of the future.

That many picks means they've gotta be super fucking sure.

As a 49er fan, I am unhappy the Rams are effectively getting two additional top ten picks over the next two years since the Skins always suck.
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« Reply #1054 on: March 10, 2012, 07:02:44 PM »

Exceedingly few teams win big without a big-time QB and the 'Skins generally win just enough to be out of the running for the marquee players. For every Tom Brady you find in the sixth round, there are a hundred nobodies. Any player below RG3 has too many question marks. Nothing's for sure, but I think the Redskins were right to pull the trigger on this one.
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« Reply #1055 on: March 10, 2012, 07:24:56 PM »

Quote from: disarm on March 10, 2012, 05:36:54 PM

Interesting...making that kind of trade for the 2nd pick would suggest that the Redskins are not interested in Manning, and the Jets are also out of the running after signing a 3-year deal with Sanchez.  The list of suitors gets a little smaller...

I was reading somewhere that Peyton didn't want to play in the NFC East to compete against Eli for a playoff spot.  I'm not even sure if the other NFC divisions will be a likely destination for Peyton.  He might end up being a Bronco this season.  icon_eek
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« Reply #1056 on: March 10, 2012, 10:23:12 PM »

Quote from: pr0ner on March 10, 2012, 03:54:08 AM

The Redskins are going to give up 3 (!!!) first round draft picks and this year's 2nd rounder to the Rams to move up to #2 in the draft this year.

 Head meets wall Head meets wall Head meets wall

If it makes you feel any better, the draft 'experts' claim that an out year draft pick is reduced a level for each year.  So you can think of it as a first, two seconds and a third.  icon_wink
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« Reply #1057 on: March 10, 2012, 11:51:08 PM »

until next year...

then its still their first rounder! (gotta love the experts)
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« Reply #1058 on: March 11, 2012, 12:18:19 AM »

Quote from: Doopri on March 10, 2012, 11:51:08 PM

until next year...

then its still their first rounder! (gotta love the experts)

Do you understand the concepts of NPV and FV?
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« Reply #1059 on: March 11, 2012, 01:06:17 AM »

not in fantasy terms (i dont play), but if i were investing id love it if i could turn 0 into 2!
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« Reply #1060 on: March 11, 2012, 01:14:04 AM »

(and if my sense of "humor" is totally off, which it probably is based on the fact that i have to explain it slywink then i meant hrothgar was joking to make proner feel better, that next years first round pick was "really" like a 2nd round pick - but the bottom line is 0 is the number of first round picks the 'skins will get next year.  what thats "really" worth will depend on how their new qb turns out, divided by (?) how good 2 or 3 years worth of first round picks were (would have been?  will be?)!  or can we future value that 2nd round pick as being like hiring a new grounds man?)
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« Reply #1061 on: March 11, 2012, 04:02:15 AM »

The (bwahahahahaa!) Jets (bwahahahaha!) extended (bwahahahahaha!) Sanchez!!!

Awesome!
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« Reply #1062 on: March 11, 2012, 04:12:46 AM »

devil im a bit in-tox-ih-ma-kated but i would LOVE if you esplained to me why 3 FU@!ing years of Sanchez is better than one or two of incentive laden payton?

the ONLY reason i can think of is that bob kraft personally wants to make me look like an asshole while i bitch about the pats defense, 3 afc east championships and running
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« Reply #1063 on: March 11, 2012, 02:43:10 PM »

Quote from: gellar on March 10, 2012, 06:01:12 PM

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on March 10, 2012, 04:11:04 PM

When you can get a highly regarded QB to lead your franchise, you do it. It's a big gamble, but the 'Skins need to make this kind of move if they want a QB of the future.

That many picks means they've gotta be super fucking sure.

As a 49er fan, I am unhappy the Rams are effectively getting two additional top ten picks over the next two years since the Skins always suck.

Skins suck because they've gotten rotten QB play.  Not saying that RG3 will fix all that ails the Redskins, but proceeding the same way they've been going (cast off QBs - Grossman, Beck, old beat up veteran QBs - McNabb, Brunell) certainly hasn't worked either.

It's a ton to give up.  But it's not as if the Skins were getting a lot of value from their (nearly always) high first round picks anyways.

What's real fun is the $40+ million the Skins have in cap room this year....

That being said, this should set the Rams to build a nice team around Bradford.  Assuming he really is the franchise QB they hoped he would be...
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« Reply #1064 on: March 12, 2012, 02:08:52 AM »

Quote from: Doopri on March 11, 2012, 04:12:46 AM

devil im a bit in-tox-ih-ma-kated but i would LOVE if you esplained to me why 3 FU@!ing years of Sanchez is better than one or two of incentive laden payton?

the ONLY reason i can think of is that bob kraft personally wants to make me look like an asshole while i bitch about the pats defense, 3 afc east championships and running

Because the Jets are the Jets. That's all the splainin you need!
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« Reply #1065 on: March 13, 2012, 01:25:45 AM »

Quote from: Eightball on March 11, 2012, 02:43:10 PM

What's real fun is the $40+ million the Skins have in cap room this year....

About that...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space
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« Reply #1066 on: March 13, 2012, 02:03:56 AM »

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/49ers-agree-to-terms-with-randy-moss/

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So much for Mike Wallace.  I think that would have been a better opportunity, for multiple reasons, he's young, motivated, and doesn't have a big ego.
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« Reply #1067 on: March 13, 2012, 02:23:27 AM »

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/49ers-agree-to-terms-with-randy-moss/

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So much for Mike Wallace.  I think that would have been a better opportunity, for multiple reasons, he's young, motivated, and doesn't have a big ego.

Harbaugh must feel like he can contain any drama. 
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« Reply #1068 on: March 13, 2012, 02:27:08 AM »

You never know about Moss - He was fine here in NE, for the most part, and if he's motivated, still pretty good.

I'm sure if he fucks around, they can just dump him.

No big deal, nothing to lose.
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« Reply #1069 on: March 13, 2012, 05:12:52 PM »

so were going to see if manning - moss is better than brady - moss?

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« Reply #1070 on: March 13, 2012, 05:52:40 PM »

Quote from: Doopri on March 13, 2012, 05:12:52 PM

so were going to see if manning - moss is better than brady - moss?

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Manning isn't going to SF though?
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« Reply #1071 on: March 13, 2012, 06:12:26 PM »

Up until yesterday we would have seen if Anyone-Moss was better than Brady-Moss.

As NFL fans, I think we got cheated by not seeing the Gabbert-Moss combo. 
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« Reply #1072 on: March 13, 2012, 08:28:19 PM »

Hoo-boy, Niners sign a real doozy:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7681645/acquitted-corner-perrish-cox-signs-san-francisco-49ers
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« Reply #1073 on: March 13, 2012, 08:29:27 PM »

Niners are going full on GANGSTA!!
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« Reply #1074 on: March 13, 2012, 10:29:47 PM »

Quote from: gellar on March 13, 2012, 01:25:45 AM

Quote from: Eightball on March 11, 2012, 02:43:10 PM

What's real fun is the $40+ million the Skins have in cap room this year....

About that...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space

Yep, it's a lot less now.  However, Redskins and Cowboys are saying they haven't received any official notice from the league.

Also it's kind of bullshit the league approved the contracts in question then, but are now saying they're impermissible contracts...
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« Reply #1075 on: March 13, 2012, 10:41:44 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2012, 08:28:19 PM


ya two players who didn't even play last year.  Hope they kept in good shape.
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« Reply #1076 on: March 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2012, 05:52:40 PM

Quote from: Doopri on March 13, 2012, 05:12:52 PM

so were going to see if manning - moss is better than brady - moss?

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Manning isn't going to SF though?

hope not.
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« Reply #1077 on: March 14, 2012, 12:39:44 AM »

Quote from: naednek on March 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2012, 05:52:40 PM

Quote from: Doopri on March 13, 2012, 05:12:52 PM

so were going to see if manning - moss is better than brady - moss?

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Manning isn't going to SF though?

hope not.

Oh yeah...Alex Smith is way better.
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« Reply #1078 on: March 14, 2012, 01:03:30 AM »

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Quote from: naednek on March 13, 2012, 10:42:09 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on March 13, 2012, 05:52:40 PM

Quote from: Doopri on March 13, 2012, 05:12:52 PM

so were going to see if manning - moss is better than brady - moss?

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Manning isn't going to SF though?

hope not.

Oh yeah...Alex Smith is way better.

Yeah, and Manning is so healthy, and at his top of his game. 

He's an unknown at this point, and who knows how many hits his 4 time surgery neck can withstand those hits.  Not only that he's at the end of his career, niners need to build on what they have.  If Peyton wasn't such an unknown I'd say go for it.  But he's damaged goods.

I'd love it if we could get Flynn, but i doubt that will happen. 
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« Reply #1079 on: March 14, 2012, 01:44:33 AM »

with all the luck rg3 manning hoopla i feel like flynn is totally flying under the radar but will be the most nfl ready qb with the least risk and best able to be a long term solution to a club

whoever gets him is going to score big time (im guessing)

and the neck surgery he had isnt something where someone has to worry about structural stuff going wrong - its something someone can come back from 100% and its not like say a repaired ligament or muscle tear.  as long as its fused and he has good feeling he should have a career as long as he would have been able to without this - at 35 (36?) hes not getting younger but aside from rust i thiiiiiiiiiiink well see the manning from before

and oh my word am i manning ball washing?  i never thought id see the day  eek
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