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« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2014, 07:31:45 PM »

Quote from: Punisher on February 16, 2014, 06:11:44 PM

Wife and I saw this last night..
 As a fan of the original, I really liked this overall. I did feel let down a little by the ending. It just didn't fit right to me.

Quote from: Covenant on February 13, 2014, 04:36:15 PM

Nope.  It does change sides once during the movie though with no explanation  icon_lol

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Actually, I take that back.  The reason is that people can make a big deal out of shaking it.
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I didn't notice a hand switch except for when they first show him to himself.. but that was a mirror...

I liked Sam Jackson, but his character looked..off....

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Michael Keaton's character seemed pretty good for most of it, but he seemed to change too quickly towards the ending..


Yea, I agree with you on Keaton.  They really did marginalize Chalkie's character ...er..I mean "Lewis".  Not a lot of screentime to what was a pretty integral character last time. 

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« Reply #121 on: February 24, 2014, 09:43:47 PM »

This article reminded me of the movie (still haven't seen):

Robot cops rule! Humanoids take over streets of Kinshasa to tackle traffic chaos
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/24/tech/robot-cops-rule-kinshasa/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
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How do you solve the problem of choking road traffic in one of the world's bustling megacities? You bring in the robot cops.
In Kinshasa, the sprawling capital of the Democratic Republic of Congo, two humanoid robots have been installed in high-traffic areas to regulate the flow of vehicles and help drivers and pedestrians traverse the roads safely.

Standing eight feet tall, the robot traffic wardens are on duty 24 hours a day, their towering -- even scarecrow-like -- mass visible from afar. They are powered by solar panels and are equipped with rotating chests and surveillance cameras that record the flow of vehicles.
The humanoids, which are installed on Kinshasa's busy Triomphal and Lumumba intersections, are built of aluminum and stainless steel to endure the city's year-round hot climate.

Featuring green and red lights, Kinshasa's robot cops are designed to merge some of the functions of human officers and traffic lights. The anthropomorphic robots can raise or bend their arms to stop passing vehicles or let others pass, and are also programmed to speak, indicating to pedestrians when they can cross the road.
Alas, no cool sidearms or rotary cannons.  icon_smile They seem closer to X-MENs' Sentinels...

I almost talked myself into seeing a $15.75 IMAX show Sunday. I checked and about 6 people had bought tickets about an hour before it was to start in the afternoon. Me thinks a lot of studios didn't expect The Lego Movie to pulverize them in a "dead" movie month (Feb.).

imho, the lesson forgotten from Verhoeven's film is it wasn't a big budget movie (it was $13M in 1987 though in my mind it's always about a $30M-$40M-looking film) and its box office was relatively good ($53.4M) for such a cheap film but not a blockbuster by any means.

In retrospect, I would've loved if Neil Blokamp (District 9, Elysium) had taken a stab at a Robocop reboot. He seems adept at making a modest budget seem massive, even if I found Elysium rather disappointing, and he might've done something clever with the political angles.
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« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2014, 03:18:40 AM »

Oh, THIS is what's most sorely missing in the new, unimproved Robocop (thanks to the Internet Movie Firearms database)

Beretta 93R (as the "Auto 9") icon_cool
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/RoboCop#Beretta_93R_.28as_the_.22Auto_9.22.29
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« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2014, 03:29:04 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on February 26, 2014, 03:18:40 AM

Oh, THIS is what's most sorely missing in the new, unimproved Robocop (thanks to the Internet Movie Firearms database)

Beretta 93R (as the "Auto 9") icon_cool
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/RoboCop#Beretta_93R_.28as_the_.22Auto_9.22.29

Movie was full of awesome realistic firearms. I am hoping the new one is as well.

The Mossberg shotguns in particular make me wish I had some extra spending money laying around.
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« Reply #124 on: February 27, 2014, 02:21:21 AM »

If you haven't caught this documentary on the DVDs, worth a watch:

Flesh and Steel: The Making of Robocop
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs&v=8IyljDETIHE

The screenwriter does a wonderful Paul Verhoeven impression. icon_smile Apparently the whole production process was a nightmare. Maybe on the reboot, things went too well?

I still hope to catch the new one if only to have an informed opinion on it.
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« Reply #125 on: March 02, 2015, 06:24:52 PM »

fwiw, I finally caught the Robocop reboot on Netflix over the weekend. I think as a sometimes thought-provoking action movie, it's OK. Hold a candle to Verhoeven's original? No way.

Pros:
-I found the opening military sequence of ED-209s on the rampage in Tehran while a CNN-type foreign correspondent tags along pretty thought provoking. It's interesting to posit, "well, if we can invade countries with no loss of life risk, how does that affect foreign policy?" But the film wants to return to Detroit, and doesn't really do much with this foreign policy idea.

In this iteration, the ED-209s use TSA-type scanning technology to scan every person encountered for concealed weapons, explosives etc. And then still the angle that they're not thoughful enough to know how to deal with a human threat other than eviscerating them  icon_razz

-I actually quite like the initial iteration of the Robocop armor -- It's like a leaner, slightly updated version of the original film's. Not really keen on the later black color variant but...
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if you're patient, you eventually get to see him at the end in armor that's again more visually like the original movie's.
-I do like that the film tries to explore whether the Robocop variant of Kinnaman can still have any kind of meaningful relationship with his wife and son. Robocop 2 touched on that ever so briefly. Though I didn't find the kid actor playing his son all that convincing.

-A few entertaining action sequences though for better or worse, this Robocop is less of a bulldozer tank and more of a dodging parkour type for much of the movie (he's told his armor can withstand up to .50 caliber gun fire). You may find that all more of a "con."  icon_smile

Cons:
-As we discussed here earlier, the new film's setting up Murphy's murder as a strangely uninvolving bomb situation imho doesn't build sympathy for the character the way Murphy's brutal gunfire-slaying in the original movie. Also, that movie sets up the audience hate towards his killers right there. Here it's such an uninvolving event and it's not (to me at least) really clear who's in on it until later.

-I just don't find Joel Kinnaman (AMC's The Killing) all that magnetic a screen presence. I think he's OK when the script calls for him to be monotone or withdrawn. I don't think he's the right fit when the script calls for him to be anguished and in pain.

-Actually, I just found the whole generally overqualified cast (including Michael Keaton and Gary Oldma) isn't given enough exciting screen-chewing dialogue as in the original movie. To me, a Robocop film should be In Your Face (you can't really impersonate Paul Verhoeven's direction but I think you can adopt some of his "in your faceness" as director), and this one's just too subtle for the most part.

-Ironically, while they kept the gore-factor down to get a presumably more box-office friendly PG-13 rating, that obviously didn't help.
-The movie has no sense of humor whatsoever. It uses a few lines from Verhoeven's film -- "I'd buy that for a dollar" and "Dead or alive, you're coming with me" but no "Dick! You're FIRED!!!!" -- but imho they come across very flat in this new take.

-While the CGI effects seemed very sharp to me, I do think something about the stop motion in the original film (by Phil Tippett of Star Wars fame, I believe) gave the ED-209s some actual personality then. Here they are perfectly CGI animated, for better or worse.
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My brother and I caught Kingsman: The Secret Service, which is just completely unhinged and deranged at times. I think that's actually closer to a Paul Verhoeven action movie than the Robocop remake.  icon_smile Too bad Matthew Vaughn's probably got zero interest in Alex Murphy.
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« Reply #126 on: March 02, 2015, 06:32:22 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on March 02, 2015, 06:24:52 PM

-I found the opening military sequence of ED-209s on the rampage in Tehran while a CNN-type foreign correspondent tags along pretty thought provoking. It's interesting to posit, "well, if we can invade countries with no loss of life risk, how does that affect foreign policy?" But the film wants to return to Detroit, and doesn't really do much with this foreign policy idea.

An army marches on its stomach.  Translate that to a mechanized force, and you're still deploying personnel for logistical needs like fuel, ammunition, and maintenance, be it people in uniform or civilian contractors.
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« Reply #127 on: March 02, 2015, 06:34:33 PM »

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Quote from: Blackjack on March 02, 2015, 06:24:52 PM

-I found the opening military sequence of ED-209s on the rampage in Tehran while a CNN-type foreign correspondent tags along pretty thought provoking. It's interesting to posit, "well, if we can invade countries with no loss of life risk, how does that affect foreign policy?" But the film wants to return to Detroit, and doesn't really do much with this foreign policy idea.

An army marches on its stomach.  Translate that to a mechanized force, and you're still deploying personnel for logistical needs like fuel, ammunition, and maintenance, be it people in uniform or civilian contractors.
Well, I've visited enough plants in my trade media job to see how automation is taking over stuff like packaging, filling etc. Just a short step to robotic handling of fueling, ammo restocking and maintenance, right? But yeah, at some point, somewhere, a human probably still has to service the maintenance robots.  icon_smile
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« Reply #128 on: March 02, 2015, 10:28:08 PM »

If you can build robots smart enough to be an invading force of another country, you can sure as shit build some that carry the extra batteries.  Tongue
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