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« on: January 07, 2010, 02:22:56 AM »

Wow...Netflix makes first deal with studio to not ship new releases for 28 days, in order for studio to make money from sales......

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-06/netflix-warner-bros-end-dispute-reach-deal-on-dvds-update3-.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 02:26:07 AM »

Quote from: leo8877 on January 07, 2010, 02:22:56 AM

Wow...Netflix makes first deal with studio to not ship new releases for 28 days, in order for studio to make money from sales......

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-06/netflix-warner-bros-end-dispute-reach-deal-on-dvds-update3-.html

Not a good thing to be sure.

That said, I have nothing but positives to say about Netflix.  I have found the availability and shipping times to be outstanding.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 02:27:08 AM »

Quote from: Mithridates on January 07, 2010, 02:26:07 AM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 07, 2010, 02:22:56 AM

Wow...Netflix makes first deal with studio to not ship new releases for 28 days, in order for studio to make money from sales......

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-06/netflix-warner-bros-end-dispute-reach-deal-on-dvds-update3-.html

Not a good thing to be sure.

That said, I have nothing but positives to say about Netflix.  I have found the availability and shipping times to be outstanding.

I've had a great experience too, but what does it matter when new releases can't be rented for a month.  That's pretty lame.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 02:32:42 AM »

I don't think this was Netflix's "choice."  Instead, the studios are putting pressure on some rental agencies in the hopes they can reverse the downward trend in DVD sales.  Redbox has also been forced to "agree" to this arrangement, though I gather they are getting around it by purchasing new copies through third parties or by simply buying retail copies locally and using those.  Netflix doesn't really have that option.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2010, 02:36:19 AM »

OK, so I've waited months to see a dvd/blu ray, 28 more days isn't going to kill me.  Sorry Warner, i'm not going to run out and grab a new copy of something I'm not interested in buying it so I can see it sooner.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 02:40:07 AM »

Sounds like a trade off for some good stuff...more streaming, more older dvd's, etc.

I can live with it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 02:45:08 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on January 07, 2010, 02:36:19 AM

OK, so I've waited months to see a dvd/blu ray, 28 more days isn't going to kill me.  Sorry Warner, i'm not going to run out and grab a new copy of something I'm not interested in buying it so I can see it sooner.

I completely agree with this perspective.  If a fan has waited for the movie to come out on DVD, an extra 28 days is not going to kill anyone.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 03:04:23 AM »

It's ok, I have over 200 movies in my que.  I don't see this affecting me in the slightest
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 03:58:45 AM »

Now we know what happens 28 Days Later. You get a movie!
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 04:09:21 AM »

I'm happy with Blockbuster.  But if Netflix improves their online on-demand selection, it might be worth considering.  I don't see the 28 days as being that much of a concession, seeing at what my movie queue looks like and that even with new movies (when I was with netflix) took a while to get anyways.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 04:16:19 AM »

Quote from: Sarkus on January 07, 2010, 02:32:42 AM

in the hopes they can reverse the downward trend in DVD sales. 

Yeah, keep on hoping. The only people still buying DVDs are collectors. Renters are not going to flock to stores because we just can't wait another month.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 04:25:30 AM »

I must be the only person who has a queue of only new releases.  I don't have anything left in my queue that's available now, hence my being upset.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 04:43:56 AM »

So stupid. The pirates win again.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 04:51:25 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on January 07, 2010, 02:36:19 AM

OK, so I've waited months to see a dvd/blu ray, 28 more days isn't going to kill me.  Sorry Warner, i'm not going to run out and grab a new copy of something I'm not interested in buying it so I can see it sooner.

I agree. Right now I pretty much see no new releases on the 'instant watch'. I would rather wait and get on a stream, then wait 28+ days to get it via dvd or blu.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 04:55:39 AM »

Like Sarkus said, this isn't Netflix's fault. Warner Bros is the only studio they've made this deal with thus far, and it's because Warner Bros was bitchin' and moanin' about DVD sales. You can blame piracy and just the slow change of the Home Video business--slowly, but surely, people are watching more movies online and buying less DVDs. The studios are gonna have to accept and learn to play the game differently and get their money some other way.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2010, 05:03:05 AM »

Quote from: naednek on January 07, 2010, 03:04:23 AM

It's ok, I have over 200 movies in my que.  I don't see this affecting me in the slightest

They cap you at 500.  Not that I know that from experience or anything...
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2010, 05:14:57 AM »

Quote from: Devil on January 07, 2010, 04:43:56 AM

So stupid. The pirates win again.

This is what I agree with totally in this instance.

"Well, I wanted to rent this movie, but Netflix won't let me do so until 28 days after it has come out on DVD/BR/whatever. I guess I'll just pirate the thing and then nobody will get my money at all."

Absolutely fucking retarded.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 05:32:31 AM »

Quote from: PR_GMR on January 07, 2010, 04:55:39 AM

Like Sarkus said, this isn't Netflix's fault. Warner Bros is the only studio they've made this deal with thus far, and it's because Warner Bros was bitchin' and moanin' about DVD sales. You can blame piracy and just the slow change of the Home Video business--slowly, but surely, people are watching more movies online and buying less DVDs. The studios are gonna have to accept and learn to play the game differently and get their money some other way.

I don't fully understand the business model, but my understanding is that major brick and mortar retail rental places (i.e. Blockbuster and Hollywood Video) pay more per copy or share revenue or something that makes them more appealing to the major studios then Netflix and Redbox are.  As a result, as they see DVD sales dropping (and that drop not being fully compensated for by the rise of bluray) they are trying to change the game.  It's likely a losing strategy long-term, though.

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 06:47:21 AM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 07, 2010, 05:03:05 AM

Quote from: naednek on January 07, 2010, 03:04:23 AM

It's ok, I have over 200 movies in my que.  I don't see this affecting me in the slightest

They cap you at 500.  Not that I know that from experience or anything...

My life's goal is to get my queue under 200. You have your dreams, and you go for them.

Srsly, as long as you have a steady parade of movies you've never seen before, who cares when they came out?
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 02:36:43 PM »

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New releases account for 30 percent of Netflix rentals and have “never been core to our value proposition with consumers,” Ted Sarandos, chief content officer, said today in an interview.

What's at the core, then?  Creamy nougat?

This change isn't going to actually impact me all that much, but that there is some crazy double speak. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 02:46:03 PM »

How can 30% of your business not be considered 'core'?
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010, 03:02:26 PM »

Genius!  We want to sell more product so let's make the product less available.  It's just sad watching them desperately try and prop up a dying business model rather than focusing on the future and new business models. 
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 04:38:26 PM »

I am surprised they didn't have to do this sooner.  Every netflix renter is not a buyer (mostly)...And I imagine renting eats HUGELY into profits for studios.

That said, I wonder how many copies of a new movie, say Star Trek, does Netflix buy?
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2010, 04:48:04 PM »

I don't understand why this wasn't an issue during the heyday of Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, etc. though?
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010, 05:12:47 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on January 07, 2010, 04:48:04 PM

I don't understand why this wasn't an issue during the heyday of Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, etc. though?

My thought is that the studios were still racking in (a lot of) money from video sales.  As people started understanding that DVDs production costs are actually very low, I think the consumer started demanding lower DVD costs.  And now the expectation for making money on DVD sales are much less - and getting tighter still.  But it is a "radical" idea to think that a 28 day window will help sales.  IMO it wont - the studios need to figure out how to embrace digital distribution.
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2010, 05:25:01 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on January 07, 2010, 04:48:04 PM

I don't understand why this wasn't an issue during the heyday of Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, etc. though?

In the VHS days the  model was rent first, buy later so the prices on videotapes were intially insane to the end user (like $80 or so) and then they would drop to $25 or less after about a year.  Select blockbusters would get low cost pricing on initial release (Disney films, ET, etc). 

With DVDs, studios adopted a different pricing strategy and made them affordable to purchase right from the outset.  And they got huge sales as a result and the studios were happy.  Now everyone is realizing that the 200+ DVD collection they amassed is collecting dust and it's just easier to rent them from Netflix, Redbox, etc instead of buying them even at $15.  So DVD sales are way down and the studios are trying something different to stabilize sales. 
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2010, 06:20:47 PM »

They're ignoring the underlying problem here - people want to rent rather than buy. Why? Because they keep putting out shitty movies. I went and saw Dark Knight in the theatres because I really wanted to see that movie. I got it on DVD (Blue Ray) because I wanted to watch it again in the future, more than once. Why? because it had the earmarks of a quality, enjoyable movie.

Make more of them and you get more of my money. Keep putting out bullshit sequels and crap, and you won't.
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2010, 06:39:09 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 07, 2010, 05:25:01 PM

So DVD sales are way down and the studios are trying something different to stabilize sales. 

Tangentally related, I was surprised to learn that acutal theater attendance was up this past year.   I'm guessing the recession had something to do with this (movie night =  relatively cheap date,) but it will be interesting to see if this is part of some larger trend.
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2010, 08:12:03 PM »

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 06:39:09 PM

(movie night =  relatively cheap date,)

relative to what??? purchasing a small island getaway!?!?

(i keed, i keed...but not really, god it's getting expensive to go to a movie)

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2010, 08:17:11 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on January 07, 2010, 08:12:03 PM

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 06:39:09 PM

(movie night =  relatively cheap date,)

relative to what??? purchasing a small island getaway!?!?

(i keed, i keed...but not really, god it's getting expensive to go to a movie)



I was thinking the same thing.  Movie night is not cheap here.
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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 08:38:16 PM »

Quote from: KC on January 07, 2010, 02:45:08 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 07, 2010, 02:36:19 AM

OK, so I've waited months to see a dvd/blu ray, 28 more days isn't going to kill me.  Sorry Warner, i'm not going to run out and grab a new copy of something I'm not interested in buying it so I can see it sooner.

I completely agree with this perspective.  If a fan has waited for the movie to come out on DVD, an extra 28 days is not going to kill anyone.



Yet most of the people on this board have to buy a new game release on Day 1 instead of waiting for a month or so and getting a better deal. 

I can see the perspective that making people wait will encourage more sales.
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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 08:41:10 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on January 07, 2010, 08:12:03 PM

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 06:39:09 PM

(movie night =  relatively cheap date,)

relative to what??? purchasing a small island getaway!?!?

(i keed, i keed...but not really, god it's getting expensive to go to a movie)



Well, they're not as cheap as White Castle, a chloroform soaked rag and a pair of clown shoes,  so I see why a night at the movies might exceed your typical date budget.   icon_razz

(I also keed.  I meant relative to nice restaurants and other pricey date type stuff.)
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 08:44:05 PM »

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 08:41:10 PM

Quote from: hepcat on January 07, 2010, 08:12:03 PM

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 06:39:09 PM

(movie night =  relatively cheap date,)

relative to what??? purchasing a small island getaway!?!?

(i keed, i keed...but not really, god it's getting expensive to go to a movie)



Well, they're not as cheap as White Castle, a chloroform soaked rag and a pair of clown shoes,  so I see why a night at the movies might exceed your typical date budget.   icon_razz

(I also keed.  I meant relative to nice restaurants and other pricey date type stuff.)

Too true, my friend!  you can easily make chloroform out of everyday household items for pennies a gallon.  And a good pair of clown shoes lasts years, if properly cared for.
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 08:45:22 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 08:48:40 PM »

Quote from: Mithridates on January 07, 2010, 08:38:16 PM

Quote from: KC on January 07, 2010, 02:45:08 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on January 07, 2010, 02:36:19 AM

OK, so I've waited months to see a dvd/blu ray, 28 more days isn't going to kill me.  Sorry Warner, i'm not going to run out and grab a new copy of something I'm not interested in buying it so I can see it sooner.

I completely agree with this perspective.  If a fan has waited for the movie to come out on DVD, an extra 28 days is not going to kill anyone.



Yet most of the people on this board have to buy a new game release on Day 1 instead of waiting for a month or so and getting a better deal. 

I can see the perspective that making people wait will encourage more sales.

The movie equivalent would be going to see it in the theater.  If I care enough about a movie, I'll go see it in a theater (or buy a game on day 1).  If I don't care enough to see it in a theater, I probably won't mind waiting another month to see it on DVD.
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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2010, 08:58:18 PM »

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 08:41:10 PM



Well, they're not as cheap as White Castle, a chloroform soaked rag and a pair of clown shoes,  so I see why a night at the movies might exceed your typical date budget. 

If you have to use clown shoes, you're doing it wrong.
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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2010, 09:05:50 PM »

Quote from: The Grue on January 07, 2010, 08:58:18 PM

Quote from: kadnod on January 07, 2010, 08:41:10 PM



Well, they're not as cheap as White Castle, a chloroform soaked rag and a pair of clown shoes,  so I see why a night at the movies might exceed your typical date budget. 

If you have to use clown shoes, you're doing it wrong.

pipe down, junior.  if i'm wearing clown shoes they may know i'm coming...but they're laughing too hard to care.
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2010, 09:12:28 PM »

Not to mention that it messes with the CSIs that come by to investigate.
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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2010, 09:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 07, 2010, 09:12:28 PM

Not to mention that it messes with the CSIs that come by to investigate.

I also walk backwards at a crime scene so they think I was leaving when I was actually entering.  combined with the 2 foot high car i drive to every victim's house, I'm a goddamn moriarity of clown killings.

...wait...how did this thread go so horribly wrong?
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2010, 09:54:51 PM »

At least you left out the part that always gets awkward: you asking them to date rape you.
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