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« on: March 08, 2017, 05:05:27 PM »

No topic for this, specifically, that I could find.  There were some general threads, but even those haven't had comments since 2015.

Anyway, this may turn out to be an empty thread.  Trailers for this haven't been doing much for me, and recent reviews seem to indicate that the Marvel/Netflix team may have hit its first big stumble.

With the Defenders coming up, I may feel obliged to watch it, anyway, but I wasn't excited about the idea before, and I'm even less so now.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2017, 06:02:09 PM »

So far every review I have seen make me think I should keep playing Breath of the Wild and skip this show.  It seems to be terrible.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2017, 06:20:29 PM »

I'll watch it because I'm Marvel committed, but I have most of S2 of Agent Carter and all this season of Agents of SHIELD as well.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2017, 07:34:54 PM »

Reviews having been crushing this so far...   Still going to watch but damn they haven't been kind
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2017, 09:30:43 PM »

I keep seeing bad reviews too but that guy is super cute so I'll give him a chance  Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2017, 02:45:22 AM »

So, did it even overcome the whole white waashing/appropriation/white savior syndrome? Or should they really have just make it an Asian in the lead?
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2017, 05:54:45 AM »

The original character is a white dude. It's not like they changed the race of the character for the new series. He isn't Tilda Swinton.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2017, 12:59:16 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on March 14, 2017, 05:54:45 AM

The original character is a white dude. It's not like they changed the race of the character for the new series. He isn't Tilda Swinton.
That doesn't mean he wasn't a Mighty Whitey.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MightyWhitey
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2017, 04:44:06 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on March 14, 2017, 05:54:45 AM

The original character is a white dude. It's not like they changed the race of the character for the new series. He isn't Tilda Swinton.

LMAO!  They should have cast her, that would have been excellent.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2017, 08:31:29 AM »

Iron Fist

First two episodes are not very good.  Hopefully the rest of the episodes pick up the pace soon.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2017, 04:34:17 PM »

Quote from: USMC Kato on March 17, 2017, 08:31:29 AM

Iron Fist

First two episodes are not very good.  Hopefully the rest of the episodes pick up the pace soon.

Can you be more specific?  Boring?  Badly written?  Badly acted?  Bad direction?  Or just all around in general bad lol?
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2017, 04:49:05 PM »

It took me about 5 episodes to get into Luke Cage, but it was good once I got there. Hopefully it's just a slow start...
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2017, 05:59:19 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on March 17, 2017, 04:34:17 PM

Quote from: USMC Kato on March 17, 2017, 08:31:29 AM

Iron Fist

First two episodes are not very good.  Hopefully the rest of the episodes pick up the pace soon.

Can you be more specific?  Boring?  Badly written?  Badly acted?  Bad direction?  Or just all around in general bad lol?


My tastes don't align with a lot of people when it comes to the Netflix Marvel shows.  IMO the best shows from great to not as such is Daredevil season 2, Daredevil season 1, Luke Cage, and then Jessica Jones. 

There are plenty of issues that I won't mention due to spoilers, and other issues I really don't want to get into but yes for the most part I was bored. 

I have specific pet peeves when I watch TV show/movie regarding military, gun play, and martial arts.  Daredevil for has fantastic fight direction because for the most part, Matt (stunt double) has his mask on when he fights.  Poor Danny Rand and Coleen Wing, at least so far, have to do most of their stunts and its cringeworthy to me.  I can always look past the fighting aspect of this show if the writing and direction were compelling.

I've watched the first 6 episodes of Iron Fist, but still optimistic that it just might get better. 
The Defenders have the show runner from Daredevil Season 2 so I have high hopes that will deliver.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 09:47:39 AM »

I liked JJ better than the others, followed by DD2, DD1, and Luke.  I'm enjoying Iron Fist well enough.  It's probably in last place regardless despite really liking the comic character in theory.  I don't personally have a problem with the whole 'he's white' thing.  Plotting feels a bit slower than it probably should be, but it's working in my favor since I can play a slow paced game while I watch slywink

I'm a fan of character progression/change in shows, whether forward or backward and this one does that so that's a plus.

edit:  I did forget to mention the fighting.  I'm with Kato on that.  Not only does the choreography feel worse than the previous, but I'm not sold from either of them that they are as skilled as they should be.  It also bugs me that the Chinese don't use Chinese swords, but that's a more minor peeve.  I do like the Iron Fist effect though.  I know a few people were talking bad about it, but I like it's subtleness.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2017, 11:57:49 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on March 18, 2017, 09:47:39 AM

I liked JJ better than the others...

I felt the same way. 

But instead of trying out Iron Fist this weekend I just started on Into the Badlands, which seems to be a decent replacement so far.  Sort of a post-apocalyptic Kung Fu or something, I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 12:44:23 AM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on March 18, 2017, 11:57:49 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on March 18, 2017, 09:47:39 AM

I liked JJ better than the others...

I felt the same way. 

But instead of trying out Iron Fist this weekend I just started on Into the Badlands, which seems to be a decent replacement so far.  Sort of a post-apocalyptic Kung Fu or something, I guess.


My wife just finished into the badlands and Iron Fist.  Her opinion is that either the martial arts or story needed to be good in either show. And with Badlands she got her martial arts fix (hates the acting) but it has surprisingly good fight choreography.  She was not happy with Iron Fist and had the same opinion as I have.  My wife is a fighter too so she is also nitpicky about Movie/TV martial arts
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 05:16:24 PM »

I did see the first two eps of Iron Fist - well with the caveat that I slept through most of the second episode lol.  But then again I sleep through so many things these days that isn't a good representation.  I can see why people haven't taken to it, it definitely seems to be missing something.  Personally I can forgive pretty much anything (even bad martial arts choreography) if the guy is hot enough, so I will continue to try to watch in hopes he will shave and get a haircut and take his shirt off as my reward.  But mostly I just want to get an idea of what they are doing with him in preparation for The Defenders.  Even though I didn't watch most of the shows I am very excited for the team up.  I should probably watch DD2 since it sounds like everyone liked that?

On a side note, why did they choose The Defenders as their name?  Wasn't there some other group that got these low-level heroes together?  Comic book fans of The Defenders (like myself) want to know!  Where's Dr. Strange, Hulk, Valkyrie, Silver Surfer and Hellcat?  Even that lame Nightwing guy would be acceptable.  Man I loved that team.  I think I read Patsy Walker might be in it but she isn't Hellcat?  BLECH.  Oh well.
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 10:05:49 PM »

The Defenders is the only reason I'm even thinking of watching Iron Fist, at this point.  I suspect I'm just going to let it pass me by, and hope I don't need it to enjoy the team show.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2017, 01:11:51 AM »

 I have watched 11 eps. I like it fine. I think all of the marvel series are flawed but entertaining and this one is no different. It definitely starts a bit slow, but I don't get why people crap all over the fight scenes. They seem fine to me. I do think the second half has been better than the first. Looking forward to finishing it and really looking forward to the defenders.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2017, 04:18:27 AM »

I watched this 35 Second Fight Clip, and I had a hard time making it all the way through.  There are 56 edits in that.  Ridiculous!  Plus the point of view shifts all over the place, making it nearly impossible to follow.

This article went on to show a fight scene heading into an elevator, and I couldn't make it through that one.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2017, 09:13:32 AM »

Quote from: JCC on March 21, 2017, 01:11:51 AM

I have watched 11 eps. I like it fine. I think all of the marvel series are flawed but entertaining and this one is no different. It definitely starts a bit slow, but I don't get why people crap all over the fight scenes. They seem fine to me. I do think the second half has been better than the first. Looking forward to finishing it and really looking forward to the defenders.

I think maybe it is because most of us expect an Iron Fist that has super skill in martial arts but what we have here is an Iron Fist that is still in training and stupid. It is like this is an emo teenage Iron Fist. slywink


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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2017, 12:43:25 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 21, 2017, 04:18:27 AM

I watched this 35 Second Fight Clip, and I had a hard time making it all the way through.  There are 56 edits in that.  Ridiculous!  Plus the point of view shifts all over the place, making it nearly impossible to follow.

This article went on to show a fight scene heading into an elevator, and I couldn't make it through that one.

DD and DD2 had some very well done, long edit fight scenes in them.  They were exciting to watch and still get a rewatch from time to time. 

I think the best part of DD2 was the Frank Castle story line.  I am eagerly awaiting his solo shot.

Im 8 episodes into Iron Fist so far, and like many others I find it a slow buildup.  I don't think i will have a problem finishing the series, though.  Jessica Jones started good for me, but lost momentum towards the end. Luke Cage really lost my interest when they moved from the Cottonmouth story arc and got to the Diamondback part of the story.  I have high hopes that Iron Fist will finish strong.

On a non marvel topic, one of the best long edit fight scenes i have seen recently was in the Rocky spinoff movie, Creed.  They filmed an entire 3 minute round with no edits.  It was pretty impressive and quite immersive.  I hope this is a trend that gains momentum, as decades of fast edit, music video style cinimatography has worn down my attention span. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2017, 01:00:11 PM »

Finished the series last night and in my opinion this was the weakest of the Marvel series.  Seriously, that last fight with the ultimate bad guy seem extremely bland and phony. Apparently, during part of the fight he forgot how to use kung fu.

Man, also that sudden change for Joy was fucking jarring


I really feel like Finn really wasn't the best fit for the part or maybe he has to grow into it

Looking forward to Defenders and Punisher later this year

Anyway, here are my ranking for the series

DD1
Luke Cage
DD2
Jessica Jones
Iron Fist
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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2017, 02:01:38 PM »

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Jessica Jones started good for me, but lost momentum towards the end. Luke Cage really lost my interest when they moved from the Cottonmouth story arc and got to the Diamondback part of the story.

This is exactly how I feel.  As good as Alfre Woodard is, taking Mahershala Ali out of the mix was just too big a hit.  But I can't quite put my finger on where JJ started to slide.

That DD hallway fight is a hallmark of the series and is practically a master class on how to put together a fight scene.  To see them fumbled so terribly in just the few clips I've caught of Iron Fist is just a bummer.
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 07:58:51 PM »

I also finished Iron Fist. I liked it and put it generally on par with the other Marvel series.

I would rank them as:

Jessica Jones - (by far the best for me)
Luke Cage - (this was neck and neck with JJ for me until the stinking turd of a final episode.)
Daredevil/Iron Fist - I rank these pretty much on par with each other as I think these shows are very similar - in fact a bit too similar. When Iron Fist was at the docks I was wondering when he would bump into Daredevil as it felt like I was watching a rerun of Daredevil. Daredevil probably has greater highs (Hello Fisk!.. more intense, violent fighting) but also lower lows (I think the guy playing Daredevil is by far the worst lead actor on any of the series - mainly during the day as the lawyer where he looks like he's reading lines off a screen on his glasses.) Iron Fist's biggest flaw was that it felt too much like Daredevil except more kung fu with a less interesting hero. But still very similar. I may be in the minority but I enjoyed the character played by Faramir - he was probably the most interesting character on the show. If you like the fighting a lot on Daredevil I understand the feeling that Iron Fist on average seems like a pale imitation. Having said that, I thought IF had some really fun fights particularly in the last few episodes. Another character I enjoyed on IF was Ward - the guy playing him was terrific. A much more interesting character than Oggy and True Blood chick from DD - both of whom had subplots that I had no interest in.

Keep in mind, I am not a comic guy at all. Even when I was a kid I was a casual comic book kid, mainly only reading Spiderman. I was by no means a collector.

In any event, I have enjoyed all the Marvel series so far and am pretty excited to see the Defenders! I would say none of the Netflix series have ever been as bad or annoyed me as much as Iron Man 2 did! smile
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