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« on: July 28, 2009, 03:43:38 AM »

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Although Microsoft states that no final design decisions have been made, Gizmodo got their sticky fingers on some mock-ups for the floor plans. According to Gizmodo, if the leaks are authentic then the MS stores are going to kick some Apple Store ass. Microsoft shops are still on target to open this Fall. Here are some store highlights.

    * There's going to be a Digital Media Wall--a massive screen--that wraps around the entire store showing various messages, which you can see in some of the slides
    * Personalization is something they're stressing big time, with fancy areas devoted to customizing computers and gadgets using an "Xbox style" interface at various kiosks
    * Lots of Surface demos
    * Stage areas for Windows 7, Windows Media Center (PCTV) (it's kinda surprising how much they're pushing PCTV, actually), Windows Mobile and netbooks
    * Their take on the Genius Bar is the Answers Bar (or Guru Bar or Windows Bar, depending on which slide you look at, showing it's slightly up in the air, though we prefer Answers Bar since its sounds like slightly less like a Genius Bar ripoff)
    * Apple Store-style table layouts
    * Some of the stores they profiled for ideas are Nike, Nokia, Sony, Apple and AT&T
    * They're already planning out huge demos and events around Project Natal and their secret mobile project Pink
    * A fancy Microsoft shopping bag
    * You can pay to have your birthday party at the Microsoft Store
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 04:01:59 AM »

I would definitely go check that out if true as described.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 04:34:17 AM »

if and when they open one around me, i'll definitely want to check it out.  should be one very close by, i am guessing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 04:52:21 AM »

what would be really cool is if they do in store exchanges of 360's that RRoD'd.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 05:01:26 AM »

i'd go just to check out surface, but i doubt MS would bring a shop here any time soon.
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 12:22:31 PM »

Has any info been released yet about where they are opening the stores?
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 01:14:56 PM »

Quote from: Daehawk on July 28, 2009, 03:43:38 AM

   * You can pay to have your birthday party at the Microsoft Store

Um...why?
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 01:18:31 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »

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That is excellent!
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 02:23:27 PM »

there is no iPod... there is only ZUUUUNNNNNE.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 02:56:32 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on July 28, 2009, 04:52:21 AM

what would be really cool is if they do in store exchanges of 360's that RRoD'd.

Yeah, that would be the best use of them, IMHO. Everything else is a waste of time and space.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 02:58:56 PM »

I just noticed that the guys in the bottles are wearing Apple shirts.   saywhat
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 03:05:16 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on July 28, 2009, 02:58:56 PM

I just noticed that the guys in the bottles are wearing Apple shirts.   saywhat

did you read the first panel?
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 03:11:32 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on July 28, 2009, 02:56:32 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on July 28, 2009, 04:52:21 AM

what would be really cool is if they do in store exchanges of 360's that RRoD'd.

Yeah, that would be the best use of them, IMHO. Everything else is a waste of time and space.

That might actually get me to buy a 360.
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 03:40:25 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on July 28, 2009, 03:05:16 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on July 28, 2009, 02:58:56 PM

I just noticed that the guys in the bottles are wearing Apple shirts.   saywhat
did you read the first panel?

Yeah, but I didn't quite make the connection the first time.  I thought it was an agglomeration of eight of their own, not kidnapped ones from Apple.
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2009, 03:44:14 PM »

It takes 8 Geniuses to comprehend clicking the Start button to shut down.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2009, 08:41:08 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on July 28, 2009, 03:44:14 PM

It takes 8 Geniuses to comprehend clicking the Start button to shut down.

I figured it was one Genius for every minute it takes for a Windows PC to boot up.  disgust
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2009, 08:47:04 PM »

I'm pretty sure it's 8 geniuses to figure out why right-clicking is so much better than command-clicking.
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2009, 09:17:07 PM »

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on July 28, 2009, 08:41:08 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on July 28, 2009, 03:44:14 PM

It takes 8 Geniuses to comprehend clicking the Start button to shut down.

I figured it was one Genius for every minute it takes for a Windows PC to boot up.  disgust

I'll wait for a retraction of this after you try Win 7.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2009, 09:24:13 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on July 28, 2009, 09:17:07 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on July 28, 2009, 08:41:08 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on July 28, 2009, 03:44:14 PM

It takes 8 Geniuses to comprehend clicking the Start button to shut down.

I figured it was one Genius for every minute it takes for a Windows PC to boot up.  disgust

I'll wait for a retraction of this after you try Win 7.

heck, I never timed them but I'm fairly certain both my XP and Vista rig boot in less than a minute.
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2009, 11:20:00 PM »

I dunno - whole thing still strikes me as lame and certainly nothing that could compete against Apples retail stores.

I might visit one to see surface (only one time) or if they had a big Natal playable demo area.

Otherwise... meh...
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2009, 11:25:07 PM »

Quote from: DarkEL on July 28, 2009, 11:20:00 PM

I dunno - whole thing still strikes me as lame and certainly nothing that could compete against Apples retail stores.

I might visit one to see surface (only one time) or if they had a big Natal playable demo area.

Otherwise... meh...

I'm willing to bet that none of us in here are the target audience for either the MS or Apple stores.  We do our shopping and research online, and we probably buy online from places like Newegg.  The stores don't really have much to offer us.  What both of them do is give a physical location for the less electronics-savvy to go and try things out, ask questions to a real sales person, and go to get help when things go wrong.  Having a physical store to walk into is very reassuring to someone who's having problems with their expensive electronics.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2009, 11:36:31 PM »

Speak for yourself, Chaz. I find a lot of use at the Apple Store. I've bought several computers at Apple stores. Bought two iPods there. An iPhone. I've dropped in on the Genius Bar for service needs, and never been unsatisfied with the result. I think the Apple Stores are absolutely brilliant, and I was quite skeptical of the concept when they rolled them out, what, 8 years ago?

The Microsoft Store sounds like a knock off of the Apple Store. What, exactly, are they going to sell? Are they going to take sides between their various vendors and sell, say, HP laptops? I don't see much point around a computer-oriented store that doesn't sell computers.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 12:00:00 AM »

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I'm willing to bet that none of us in here are the target audience for either the MS or Apple stores.  We do our shopping and research online, and we probably buy online from places like Newegg.  The stores don't really have much to offer us.  What both of them do is give a physical location for the less electronics-savvy to go and try things out, ask questions to a real sales person, and go to get help when things go wrong.  Having a physical store to walk into is very reassuring to someone who's having problems with their expensive electronics.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2009, 12:32:27 AM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on July 28, 2009, 11:36:31 PM

Speak for yourself, Chaz. I find a lot of use at the Apple Store. I've bought several computers at Apple stores. Bought two iPods there. An iPhone. I've dropped in on the Genius Bar for service needs, and never been unsatisfied with the result. I think the Apple Stores are absolutely brilliant, and I was quite skeptical of the concept when they rolled them out, what, 8 years ago?

Since you can't get Apple equipment much cheaper on-line you may as well go to the store.  PC folks have a lot more in the way of options and savings.  Not a knock on Apple, but the reality of the situation.  Had I the means and/or inclination to purchase Apple computer equipment I would definitely go to the store.
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2009, 02:14:03 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on July 28, 2009, 09:17:07 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on July 28, 2009, 08:41:08 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on July 28, 2009, 03:44:14 PM

It takes 8 Geniuses to comprehend clicking the Start button to shut down.

I figured it was one Genius for every minute it takes for a Windows PC to boot up.  disgust

I'll wait for a retraction of this after you try Win 7.

hell yeah. I love the speed that 7 boots up. It's ridiculously fast. Rebooting my PC is no longer DS time.
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2009, 02:31:23 AM »

I'm having some trouble grasping what MS will sell in their stores. I mean, if you want to buy Apple stuff you might as well go to an Apple store, because there's no competition. But PCs are fungible. I guess MS still makes branded mice and keyboards, and there's the Ex-box, and of course their software. Doesn't seem like enough to carry a retail store though. Why would I go to a MS store to buy a copy of Windows or Office?

MS uses thousands of "partners" to sell their stuff. I wonder how the partners feel about this?
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2009, 03:58:19 AM »

A Microsoft store would probably be a madhouse during the launch of the "next" console.
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2009, 04:05:34 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on July 29, 2009, 02:31:23 AM

I'm having some trouble grasping what MS will sell in their stores. I mean, if you want to buy Apple stuff you might as well go to an Apple store, because there's no competition. But PCs are fungible. I guess MS still makes branded mice and keyboards, and there's the Ex-box, and of course their software. Doesn't seem like enough to carry a retail store though. Why would I go to a MS store to buy a copy of Windows or Office?

MS uses thousands of "partners" to sell their stuff. I wonder how the partners feel about this?

I have no particular insight into the retail store, but MSFT sells direct to customers already via the internets.  Partners will still be reselling the software, packaged with their managed services ($x / month to maintain your SBS server or whatever), and make out just fine.
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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2009, 07:20:00 AM »

It may seem strange and a bit stupid now, but it's a good move from Microsoft.  This helps them in the long run against the influence of Apple and their "Chic" iLifestyle.  Microsoft still controls the business market, this just helps them

And for every one of us that won't bother, there are many more casual users that won't hesitate to use a MS Store.

However, it's seriously going to take a lot more than throwing money at this to make it work.  It does sound like they're making good use of their current control in the console market to make it "chic" to own and prefer an "mGadget".
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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2009, 01:41:10 PM »

What the heck do you people have on your PCs that make it take more than a minute to reboot?  eek
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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2009, 02:57:04 PM »

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What the heck do you people have on your PCs that make it take more than a minute to reboot?  eek

Good question. I don't know if mine takes a full minute though it feels like that sometimes. I'm running Win XP Home Service Pack 3. Task Manager shows 24 processes running on a fresh boot. I've tried making sure no unnecessary programs sneak in there on startup, but it's hard to tell what some of them are since half are listed as "svchost.exe" and other mystery programs.
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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2009, 02:58:42 PM »

Will there be a Zune Graveyard area?
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2009, 03:17:08 PM »

Quote from: Freezer-TPF- on July 29, 2009, 02:58:42 PM

Will there be a Zune Graveyard area?

That's in the back of the store, right next to the landfill of red ringed 360s. slywink
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2009, 04:24:12 PM »

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 29, 2009, 01:41:10 PM

What the heck do you people have on your PCs that make it take more than a minute to reboot?  eek

My new Dell Vorlon with Win XP is the first computer I've ever owned that wakes up from sleep mode quickly and reliably. I've even left it running overnight on battery power and had it wake up in the morning with its battery barely touched. A fresh boot takes about a minute, but waking up is under 10 seconds. I used to configure my power settings so that machines would never sleep or hibernate. Now I actually like sleep mode.
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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2009, 04:38:21 PM »

Quote from: Moliere on July 29, 2009, 02:57:04 PM

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 29, 2009, 01:41:10 PM

What the heck do you people have on your PCs that make it take more than a minute to reboot?  eek

Good question. I don't know if mine takes a full minute though it feels like that sometimes. I'm running Win XP Home Service Pack 3. Task Manager shows 24 processes running on a fresh boot. I've tried making sure no unnecessary programs sneak in there on startup, but it's hard to tell what some of them are since half are listed as "svchost.exe" and other mystery programs.

My work laptop is a Core 2 Duo with 2 MB of RAM. My company installs so much crapware on it that it takes forever to reboot. I timed it once. From the time I hit the restart button to the time I have all of my applications open and can start working again is well over 10 minutes.

My Mac takes less than a minute to reboot no matter how many applications I have open  icon_wink
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2009, 06:21:58 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on July 29, 2009, 04:38:21 PM

My work laptop is a Core 2 Duo with 2 MB of RAM. My company installs so much crapware on it that it takes forever to reboot. I timed it once. From the time I hit the restart button to the time I have all of my applications open and can start working again is well over 10 minutes.

Well there's your problem. Talk about needing a ton of virtual memory. biggrin  icon_twisted

Anyway - I Hibernate my laptop instead of turning it off. I only reboot it whenever I absolutely have to, and even then it's not that long of a start (Vista 64 with 4GB of RAM). My gaming rig I boot fresh all the time and Vista just pops right up most days.
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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2009, 06:56:26 PM »

I will check out the MS store when it open here in AZ!

http://kotaku.com/5325314/first-microsoft-stores-opening-in-arizona-california
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2009, 10:09:46 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on July 29, 2009, 06:21:58 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on July 29, 2009, 04:38:21 PM

My work laptop is a Core 2 Duo with 2 MB of RAM. My company installs so much crapware on it that it takes forever to reboot. I timed it once. From the time I hit the restart button to the time I have all of my applications open and can start working again is well over 10 minutes.

Well there's your problem. Talk about needing a ton of virtual memory. biggrin  icon_twisted

That and a low RPM laptop hard drive
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2009, 12:01:05 AM »

Quote from: happydog on July 29, 2009, 06:56:26 PM

I will check out the MS store when it open here in AZ!

http://kotaku.com/5325314/first-microsoft-stores-opening-in-arizona-california

As much as I don't like going into Snotsdale, I think I'll have to make a trip to the place when it opens just to see if it's a place I can bring my 360 into when it RRoDs.  icon_twisted
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