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« on: May 21, 2013, 11:33:02 AM »

Perhaps we should just have a 'All things Marvel related' thread

Inside Movies has Kevin Feige updates on characters considered for Phase 3
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Phase Two begins with Iron Man 3, and will build to Avengers 2 in 2015, with Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Thor: The Dark World, and Guardians of the Galaxy in between.

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Right now the only definite project being planned for Phase Three is Edgar Wright’s Ant-Man, which has been in development since 2006 but will finally come to the screen in November 2015 — just a few months after Avengers 2.
“I’d say 99 percent of our time right now is purely spent on Phase Two,” Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige told EW. “It’s five colossally giant motion pictures that we have to produce. So that’s taking up the time. But within the next year or so we’ll start the advanced planning for post-Avengers 2.”

Its 10 pages long,so here are the characters mentioned,and I have quoted what i think is the best of what is said,but there is a bit more in the links on each of them

• Ant-Man
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/2/
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Once director and co-writer Edgar Wright wraps this summer’s apocalyptic pub-crawl comedy The World’s End (out Aug. 23), he will begin work in earnest on bringing Marvel’s teeny-tiny ass-kicker to the big screen.
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Although they haven’t cast the lead role yet, the project is now the only definite part of Marvel’s Phase Three. “I’ve learned a lot in the last five years, and now I’m ready to do something big and crazy,” Wright says. “Or, I should say, small.”

• Doctor Strange
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/3/
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Screenwriters Thomas Donnelly and Joshua Oppenheimer (Conan the Barbarian reboot, Sahara) penned a script for the studio a few years ago, although there’s no telling whether it will be used, refined, or replaced. When the Marvel brain trust begins laying out plans, expect a new version of Strange to be a top priority.

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“I would love Strange to be a part of that only because he’s a great character. He’s a great standalone character,” Feige emphasizes. “He’s got a great origin story, for the most part. And that world of pure magic, we haven’t done yet. There’s a whole supernatural/magic alternate dimension going on in the Marvel comics that we haven’t ever touched on. So I think that’s exciting.”

• Iron Man 4
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/4/
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Feige says Marvel Studios is talking with Downey about if and when he could reprise the character. But if it doesn’t happen, we could find ourselves with a reboot. It has happened before, though rarely with a character so singularly identified with one actor.
“I believe there will be a fourth Iron Man film and a fifth and a sixth and a 10th and a 20th,” the producer says. “I see no reason why Tony Stark can’t be as evergreen as James Bond. Or Batman for that matter. Or Spider-Man. I think Iron Man is a character just like that.”

• Black Panther
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/5/
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If we do end up seeing an adaptation of Black Panther, he could be introduced to general audiences through a supporting role in one of the other movies or the ABC series — just as he was in the comics, debuting in an issue of Fantastic Four.
Marvel just says everything is speculation at this point. Right now, those rumblings you hear are just evidence of the passion for this character — internally as much as from outside.

• Daredevil, The Punisher, Blade, Ghost Rider
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/6/
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Every now and then, one of the characters Marvel previously licensed to another studio returns to the fold. Unfortunately, it’s usually because the studio let the property lapse due to fan disinterest.
So Marvel Studios hasn’t been particularly eager to hustle more of these battered titles back into production.
Sorry.
“So Punisher, Ghost Rider, … Blade, all those characters are back,” Feige told EW. “They all have potential, but I think we need to find the right time.”

In other words, don’t look at any of these as a priority for Phase Three.


• Hulk
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/7/
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Rumors that a live-action version of the Planet Hulk comics series, in which the green monster is banished to an alien world, are completely false, Marvel execs insist. “What we’re excited about exploring and expanding is Mark — and Banner’s not in Planet Hulk at all,” Feige says. “The fun of the Hulk is his interaction with humans.”
There’s no script for a solo Hulk movie in the works just yet, but Feige says: “Mark could stand in his own movie. … We’re talking about it. We’re excited to sit down and go, ‘What is a stand-alone Hulk movie?’”

• Inhumans
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/8/
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“Inhumans is cool, they’re really great characters,” he said in a recent interview, getting more animated about this title than almost any other he discussed. “The most powerful guy is the king who doesn’t say a word and if he does — lookout. That’s awesome. And the notion of the Terrigen Mists, this notion that you go through and don’t know what you’re going to be on the other side, is incredibly compelling dramatically.”
Sound a little bizarre and out-of-the-mainstream? Maybe. But Guardians of the Galaxy, with its rocket-launching raccoon, walking-warrior tree, and other assorted misfit heroes, could clear a path for further exploration of the Marvel galaxy when it comes out in August 2014.
“In other words, all the craziness that comes with Inhumans, we’ve done in the other movies already,” Feige says. “But this would have some of the social drama that we haven’t really done yet. [Fox’s] X-Men, obviously, has been touching on that stuff for a while.”

• Runaways
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/9/
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There’s still a remote possibility of a movie, especially since Joss Whedon — Marvel maestro extraordinaire — is a fan of the series and wrote an arc for the comic books a few years ago. Maybe when his Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Avengers 2 slate is clear …?
As for what the studio boss says about the future for a Runaways movie? Feige shrugs apologetically. “I’d love to do it someday,” he says.

• Marvel Zombies
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/10/
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Predictably, Feige just shook his head. “I know… Zombies is such a funny thing because its such a cool comic and it’s such a cool idea, but the bigger profile becomes what starts to happen [with fans]” he said.
Specifically, why spend years building the Marvel Cinematic Universe only to destroy it with a gruesome joke. The concept of alternate universes isn’t one that works as easily in such a meticulously constructed film world. (Also, many of the characters — such as Zombie Wolverine, above — are licensed to other studios.)
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2013, 12:49:20 PM »

Doctor Strange?  Hell yeah!  But as I've said before, you gotta keep the cape!   icon_biggrin

Black Panther?  Another hell yeah...as long as they keep him the king of Wakanda and don't pander to the youth market by "urbanizing" him like Hollywood seems to like to do with African American heroes.  T'Challa needs to be a role model for kids, so he has to be Superman like in his sense of morality and justice.  Plus, he's one giant bad ass.

Inhumans?  A giant hell yeah.  Give me a big screen Triton!  

Ghost Rider?  I'm not sure the damage done to the character by Nicholas Cage can be undone, unfortunately.  One of my favorite comic characters growing up was Ghost Rider so this is even more disappointing.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2013, 04:13:34 PM »

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• Iron Man 4
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/05/17/marvel-phase-3/4/
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Feige says Marvel Studios is talking with Downey about if and when he could reprise the character. But if it doesn’t happen, we could find ourselves with a reboot. It has happened before, though rarely with a character so singularly identified with one actor.
“I believe there will be a fourth Iron Man film and a fifth and a sixth and a 10th and a 20th,” the producer says. “I see no reason why Tony Stark can’t be as evergreen as James Bond. Or Batman for that matter. Or Spider-Man. I think Iron Man is a character just like that.”

That sounds terrible.  The Iron Man movies are fun but they are carried entirely by the charisma of Downey.  I doubt I would have any interest in seeing the movie with a different actor in the role.
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2013, 04:16:47 PM »

If they make a fourth without Downey, I hope they don't reboot it.  Just continue on with the new lead a la James Bond.  I'm getting tired of seeing origin stories over and over and over again due to new lead actors stepping into a role.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2013, 04:23:30 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on May 21, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

If they make a fourth without Downey, I hope they don't reboot it.  Just continue on with the new lead a la James Bond.  I'm getting tired of seeing origin stories over and over and over again due to new lead actors stepping into a role.

agreed,that quote he puts James Bond with Spidey,which isn't right,and the first lot of Batman films yeah(started with Keaton,ended with Clooney),but not the last versions as they were a reboot

I can't think of anybody who could replace RDJ...but then again i am trying to think of actors with goaties,and that's not needed(they can just put that on whoever they choose)

I am still hoping that Spidey can somehow make an appearance somewhere(SONY Vs Disney be damned),we had that picture of Andrew Garfield with all those Avengers comics under his arm
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 04:50:43 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on May 21, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

If they make a fourth without Downey, I hope they don't reboot it.  Just continue on with the new lead a la James Bond.  I'm getting tired of seeing origin stories over and over and over again due to new lead actors stepping into a role.

I don't think they can reboot IM since everything is linked now.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 12:54:32 PM »

This is interesting..


Quicksilver is heading to X-Men:Days of Future Past AND Avengers 2?


Its not nice seeing two Marvel films against each other
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The character of Quicksilver is set for X-Men: Days Of Future Past and The Avengers 2

Now this is a new one. A week or two ago, it came to light that the character of Quicksilver was on Joss Whedon's radar for inclusion in his upcoming The Avengers 2. Since then, he's confirmed the news, even though the role thus far remains uncast.

However, news has now broken that the Marvel character has also been snagged by Bryan Singer for his now-in-production X-Men: Days Of Future Past. It means that the same character will turn up in two entirely independent films, a year apart. That the news has broken now, following Joss Whedon's confirmation of Quicksilver for The Avengers 2, looks slightly odd, but then we'd hardly imagine that Singer has just rewritten his film to get on Marvel's nerves.

That said, Marvel is unlikely to be best pleased. Reports suggest that this is not a union of the X-Men and The Avengers franchises, and, according to Hitfix, "if either of them could get the other to back off, they would". The report adds that "what we're going to see is a legally-negotiated stand-off in which we'll get two totally different versions of one character".

Marvel Studios' president Kevin Feige, however, told SuperHeroHype that "they can use [the characters] as mutants and as Magneto's relatives, but cannot have anything to do with The Avengers", citing "a specific arrangement" in place for the characters.

X-Men: Days Of Future Past will use the character in one sequence, and Bryan Singer has cast Evan Peters, of American Horror Story fame, in the film. Quicksilver is, of course, the son of Magneto, going by the name of Pietro Maximoff. We wait and see with interest how both films approach the character.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2013, 09:36:46 AM »

Stan Lee lets it slip
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With Marvel having long since locked down the movies that would make up its Phase Two collection of features (Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians Of The Galaxy and The Avengers 3), speculation has been growing as to which features would make up Phase Three. This has been fuelled by Disney and Marvel announcing release dates through until 2017, even though it's not confirmed the exact films that would be arriving on said dates.

The only Phase Three projects that are confirmed thus far are Edgar Wright's Ant-Man and also The Avengers 3. But has Stan Lee, chatting at Wizard World Comic Con in New York over the weekend, let slip one or two others.

Chatting about what films Marvel is planning next, Lee did confirm that "I'm not involved in those decisions anymore". He did say that the people who are making the decisions are fans of the stories "just like you", and then added that "So they're working on Ant-Man, working on Doctor Strange; they're working on Guardians Of The Galaxy; they're working on god knows what. Did I say the Black Panther also? They're the ones I know about, and they're working on others that I don't know about, and shame on them for not telling me".


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Doctor Strange is a passion project for Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige, and it's expected that it'll be announced at the upcoming San Diego Comic Con that it's on the Marvel roster. Black Panther has been rumoured for some time, but plans had seemed less concrete. Maybe that's not the case now though.

If Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and Black Panther do take up slots in Phase Three, then it does suggest that further sequels to Thor and Captain America, and a sequel to Guardians Of The Galaxy, may have to fight it out in the queue (even if Marvel keeps its two movies a year production rate up).


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Vin Diesel and Marvel meeting

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The actor shared the news on his Facebook wall yesterday (June 26), posting: "Marvel has requested a meeting... no idea what for... haha, you probably know better than me..."
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2013, 02:14:59 PM »

Don't get me wrong, I love Ant-Man, Black Panther and especially Doctor Strange, but with GotG, this seems like a decidedly, shall we say, quirky line up.  I would maybe space these things out a little more.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2013, 07:26:57 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on May 21, 2013, 04:16:47 PM

If they make a fourth without Downey, I hope they don't reboot it.  Just continue on with the new lead a la James Bond.  I'm getting tired of seeing origin stories over and over and over again due to new lead actors stepping into a role.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2015, 11:41:33 AM »

too many threads on the MCU, but since this falls under phase 3 guess which web-slinger is back in the MCU

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 01:38:36 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 02:37:35 PM »

Looks like all other phase three movies have been pushed back to 2017 to allow Spider Man movie to be intergrated
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 08:57:43 PM »

I do hope they put Spidey in Civil War.  I'd be even happier if they cast Dylan O' Brien, I think he's got just the right amount of charm, nerdiness, sexiness and humor.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/casting-5-actors-marvels-spider-man

I do hope the stand-alone movie is not yet another retelling of the origin story.  How many different ways can you get bit by a radioactive spider?!?

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 10:06:35 PM »

So many species of radioactive spiders that can bite people.
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2015, 10:44:38 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on February 10, 2015, 08:57:43 PM

I do hope they put Spidey in Civil War.  I'd be even happier if they cast Dylan O' Brien, I think he's got just the right amount of charm, nerdiness, sexiness and humor.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/casting-5-actors-marvels-spider-man

I do hope the stand-alone movie is not yet another retelling of the origin story.  How many different ways can you get bit by a radioactive spider?!?



I'm pretty sure that's the main reason they got him was for the civil war*

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2015, 12:07:48 AM »

Quote from: SkyLander on February 10, 2015, 10:06:35 PM

So many species of radioactive spiders that can bite people.

Actually, after all these genetically modified spiders, a radioactive one would be a nice change of pace.  I thought Norton's Incredible Hulk did a good job with the familiar but abbreviated origin.  It was also one of the many homages in the film to the old TV show.  If Agents of Shield is still around then, they could always flesh out more of the back story on TV. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2015, 12:36:44 AM »

They need to add a scene back into the Avengers movie where the camera pans over a scene where a bunch of aliens are caught in a web.

Do it, Marvel.

Do it.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2015, 02:33:32 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on February 11, 2015, 12:36:44 AM

They need to add a scene back into the Avengers movie where the camera pans over a scene where a bunch of aliens are caught in a web.

Do it, Marvel.

Do it.

I was thinking about this, too.  I know it's too late to add Spidey into AoU, and it depends on the specific deal they have with Sony (how many appearances allowed, etc.), but I fully expect some sort of cameo to be slipped in, even it's just Spidey swinging by in the background of a city street shot.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2015, 02:42:26 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on February 10, 2015, 10:44:38 PM

Quote from: rittchard on February 10, 2015, 08:57:43 PM

I do hope they put Spidey in Civil War.  I'd be even happier if they cast Dylan O' Brien, I think he's got just the right amount of charm, nerdiness, sexiness and humor.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/casting-5-actors-marvels-spider-man

I do hope the stand-alone movie is not yet another retelling of the origin story.  How many different ways can you get bit by a radioactive spider?!?



I'm pretty sure that's the main reason they got him was for the civil war*

*well that and fat stacks of cash

http://marvel.com/universe/Civil_War

This? Ugh, I hope not.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2015, 03:31:16 PM »

Purge you do know that the next Captain America movie will deal with the Civil War in some form and Cap is rumored to die?  Chris Evans wants to direct from the rumors
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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2015, 04:50:20 PM »

IMDB is pretty sure that point is focal:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498820/

That said, I never really much liked the story, and though I enjoy their movies, I can recall Marvels' failures too. Xmen Origins: Wolverine or X-men 3, perhaps?

Civil War is story about Cap. I'd rather see a combined cast for Secret Wars (unlikely, methinks) or the upcoming Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War (the latter less so).
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2015, 04:56:39 PM »

Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 04:50:20 PM

IMDB is pretty sure that point is focal:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3498820/

That said, I never really much liked the story, and though I enjoy their movies, I can recall Marvels' failures too. Xmen Origins: Wolverine or X-men 3, perhaps?

Civil War is story about Cap. I'd rather see a combined cast for Secret Wars (unlikely, methinks) or the upcoming Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War (the latter less so).

Xmen is not controlled by Marvel studios, it's Fox. 
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2015, 05:08:13 PM »

And Daredevil? Oh, I know, Punisher! Hulk? Perhaps Ghost Rider is the high ground to defend Marvel's movie-making skill? Tongue

All I'm saying that "Make mine Marvel." should be tempered with "... perhaps." 

'Nuff said. slywink
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Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 05:08:13 PM

And Daredevil? Oh, I know, Punisher! Hulk? Perhaps Ghost Rider is the high ground to defend Marvel's movie-making skill? Tongue

All I'm saying that "Make mine Marvel." should be tempered with "... perhaps." 

'Nuff said. slywink

Well I think the first Hulk, Daredevil and ghost rider movies were made outside of Marvel studios and they now control them.  Second Hulk was marvel studios.  I thought it was ok, but I think it's not well liked.
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2015, 08:36:01 PM »

Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 05:08:13 PM

And Daredevil? Oh, I know, Punisher! Hulk? Perhaps Ghost Rider is the high ground to defend Marvel's movie-making skill? Tongue

All I'm saying that "Make mine Marvel." should be tempered with "... perhaps."  

'Nuff said. slywink

Not a single one of the projects you listed apply, with the possible exception of The Incredible Hulk (though it's unclear if you were talking about the Marvel movie or the Ang Lee one [which was just called "Hulk"]).  I also liked the Incredible Hulk.

Here are the Marvel Cinematic Universe movies:

Phase One
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Phase Two
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Phase 3
Captain America: Civil War
Doctor Strange
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Spider-Man
Thor: Ragnarok
Avengers: Infinity War Part I
Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Avengers: Infinity War Part II
Inhumans
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2015, 08:45:51 PM »

They apply to Marvel, if not MCU directly.

Phase One movies that weren't "wow" for me:
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2

Phase Two movies that weren't "wow" for me:
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World

Phase Two, Three movies that I'm not expecting much from:

Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Thor: Ragnarok


Admittedly, last year I would have included Guardians of the Galaxy as one I had low expectation of. Either way, I suppose my excitement for Marvel movies is tempered with the failures of the past. I felt Iron Man 3 was better than 2, but it lacked the heart that one had (once again, IMO). The Incredible Hulk (which I just re-watched two weeks ago with my 10yr old son) was good, but only because we've been watching Agents of S.M.A.S.H. did he care (or I) care much about the Abomination or The Leader. I think Ruffalo is a good replacement - Norton didn't do it for me.

As to Ang Lee's movie, I didn't buy into the hate and though the cinematic presentation was different, I felt it delivered until his dad turned into a cloud. Then? Then it was stupid. Comparing the doctors, I felt Bana's cold delivery was better insofar as Banner had emotional issues and was played very well.


Wait... perhaps Dr. Connor is actually a Time Lord? He keeps changing how he looks. BBC tie-in? slywink
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2015, 09:44:50 PM »

He's bigger on the inside.
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2015, 12:40:27 PM »

Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 08:45:51 PM

They apply to Marvel, if not MCU directly.


But they don't apply to your argument.  They were not made directly by Marvel.  It wasn't until the MCU started (Iron Man) that they were.

And, sure, some of the MCU films are better than others, but overall, the persistence of quality has been fairly staggering.  Your "Make Mine Marvel...Perhaps" stance loses steam if you're looking at it right.
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2015, 03:12:31 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 11, 2015, 02:33:32 PM

Quote from: Turtle on February 11, 2015, 12:36:44 AM

They need to add a scene back into the Avengers movie where the camera pans over a scene where a bunch of aliens are caught in a web.

Do it, Marvel.

Do it.

I was thinking about this, too.  I know it's too late to add Spidey into AoU, and it depends on the specific deal they have with Sony (how many appearances allowed, etc.), but I fully expect some sort of cameo to be slipped in, even it's just Spidey swinging by in the background of a city street shot.

I think they can do a great after credits scene in the upcoming Avengers film to introduce Spidey and get his origin story out of the way. They could show him getting bitten by a spider, or maybe something else. This is what I'm hoping for:

The video is taken from a body camera on a police officer. The scene starts with the cop coming onto the scene of an old man who has been shot, and a scrawny teenager upset holding the body with a group of people crowding around. As the cop begins to find out what happens the radio squawks with a potential location of the shooter. In the background we can see the teenager slip away. A few moments later we see Spider-Man swinging by the cop in pursuit of the shooter.

Is it weird that this is the crap I think about when I'm driving to and from work in the mornings?
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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2015, 04:27:21 PM »

Quote from: msteelers on February 12, 2015, 03:12:31 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 11, 2015, 02:33:32 PM

Quote from: Turtle on February 11, 2015, 12:36:44 AM

They need to add a scene back into the Avengers movie where the camera pans over a scene where a bunch of aliens are caught in a web.

Do it, Marvel.

Do it.

I was thinking about this, too.  I know it's too late to add Spidey into AoU, and it depends on the specific deal they have with Sony (how many appearances allowed, etc.), but I fully expect some sort of cameo to be slipped in, even it's just Spidey swinging by in the background of a city street shot.

I think they can do a great after credits scene in the upcoming Avengers film to introduce Spidey and get his origin story out of the way. They could show him getting bitten by a spider, or maybe something else. This is what I'm hoping for:

The video is taken from a body camera on a police officer. The scene starts with the cop coming onto the scene of an old man who has been shot, and a scrawny teenager upset holding the body with a group of people crowding around. As the cop begins to find out what happens the radio squawks with a potential location of the shooter. In the background we can see the teenager slip away. A few moments later we see Spider-Man swinging by the cop in pursuit of the shooter.

Is it weird that this is the crap I think about when I'm driving to and from work in the mornings?

I don't think we'll see Peter Parker so much as Spider-Man, since they haven't quite cast him yet, but who knows.  I have heard reports of certain actors being considered.
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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2015, 05:30:03 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 12, 2015, 12:40:27 PM

Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 08:45:51 PM

They apply to Marvel, if not MCU directly.


But they don't apply to your argument.  They were not made directly by Marvel.  It wasn't until the MCU started (Iron Man) that they were.

And, sure, some of the MCU films are better than others, but overall, the persistence of quality has been fairly staggering.  Your "Make Mine Marvel...Perhaps" stance loses steam if you're looking at it right.

If Marvel decided to rent out their property, and the people who rented it damaged it, who's responsible?

Yeah. You're not going to get me to agree that they have clean hands due to it being elsewhere - those other companies have rights to the property, but it's not like they didn't GIVE them that right. Furthermore I listed ones directly under their watchful eye (Production company and all) that have not impressed me.

So when I say I don't give their upcoming movies an instant pass, it's not because I'm being contrite contrary. They have earned it - both directly and indirectly.
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2015, 06:29:43 PM »

The people who damaged the property is responsible. You know, that's why car rentals offer insurance and such. slywink
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2015, 06:50:01 PM »

Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 08:45:51 PM


As to Ang Lee's movie, I didn't buy into the hate and though the cinematic presentation was different, I felt it delivered until his dad turned into a cloud. Then? Then it was stupid. Comparing the doctors, I felt Bana's cold delivery was better insofar as Banner had emotional issues and was played very well.

That was kind of my take, although I wasn't a big fan of Ang's attempt to tie Hulk's physical size to his rage level.  And the Hulk dogs. 

You know what?  Never mind.  I think I just remembered I hate it now.
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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2015, 06:57:56 PM »

Quote from: Purge on February 12, 2015, 05:30:03 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 12, 2015, 12:40:27 PM

Quote from: Purge on February 11, 2015, 08:45:51 PM

They apply to Marvel, if not MCU directly.


But they don't apply to your argument.  They were not made directly by Marvel.  It wasn't until the MCU started (Iron Man) that they were.

And, sure, some of the MCU films are better than others, but overall, the persistence of quality has been fairly staggering.  Your "Make Mine Marvel...Perhaps" stance loses steam if you're looking at it right.

If Marvel decided to rent out their property, and the people who rented it damaged it, who's responsible?

Yeah. You're not going to get me to agree that they have clean hands due to it being elsewhere - those other companies have rights to the property, but it's not like they didn't GIVE them that right. Furthermore I listed ones directly under their watchful eye (Production company and all) that have not impressed me.

So when I say I don't give their upcoming movies an instant pass, it's not because I'm being contrite. They have earned it - both directly and indirectly.

I can see you are being immovably stubborn, despite evidence to the contrary, so I'm not sure why I would continue with the discussion, but while you're not being contrite (mostly because I don't think that word means what you think it means), you are believing what you want to believe, evidence be damned.

Marvel's track record since taking over making movies directly has been, while not spotless, pretty consistent none the less.  Enough so that there's no reason to not expect them to continue.  Apart from the notion that they have to stumble sometime.  But they've put out a string of movies (nearly a dozen, by this point) that have been critical and box office hits, not to mention fan hits as well.  So let's say Ant-Man sucks (which I'm not ruling out, given the trailer).  That's still a 10% failure rate (likely lower, assuming Ultron kicks ass).  There is absolutely no reason not to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Not only are you obstinately doing the opposite, you keep bringing up movies that weren't done under the same conditions at all to justify it.  Marvel was not the successful moviemaking entity it is now when it was trying to get Marvel branded characters on the screen.  They didn't have a choice so far as farming the films out to other studios goes.  Hell, do you think that if they did, they would have let the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men go to begin with??  

These other movies were made at a completely other time.  Eventually, because some of them were popular, Marvel gained enough cred and bank to do it their way, the way they always wanted to do it, the way they knew would work.  To do it right.

Yes, some of the MCU movies are better than the others, but even the weak ones have been decent.  Enough so, that a new movie from them is one to be looked forward to, not through a skeptical lens because you didn't like X-Men Origins Wolverine.
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2015, 08:33:14 PM »

Bullwinkle, you're right. I meant contrary.

But hey, thanks for reminding me why I cared so much about your opinion on what I base MY opinion on. I should simply check in to get your feedback on what I should like - cuz you know, Iron Man 2 and 3 were on par with the original (which would certainly show things getting better, no?)

So why not assume Avengers 2 is going to be better? Oh, wait. Discussing this with you is pointless. Carry on telling me why I'm wrong to not assume all things Marvel (produced or not) are subject to the same criticality that I employ in say, deciding to watch movies directed by those geniuses behind The Matrix (1).


Hep, the one thing I felt that The Hulk movie did right is putting Banner in the role of emotionally stinted, and showing that as his rage grew, so too did he get stronger. Bigger was a little too over-the-top, but it did get the point across.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2015, 08:37:01 PM »

It just became goofy when he suddenly hit the 18 foot tall level at one point.  I really, really hated that.  And the Hulk dogs looked like Glen Quagmire on all fours.

I want to like Ang's version because, like you said, he was playing up the character of Bruce Banner first and foremost, but good lord did he screw the pooch on everything else.  
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2015, 09:06:10 PM »

Loved your use of the word pooch.

Well played, sir.
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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2015, 09:11:56 PM »

I...uh...wish I could say I realized that when I wrote it.  tear

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2015, 01:33:04 AM »

Quote from: Purge on February 12, 2015, 08:33:14 PM

Bullwinkle, you're right. I meant contrary.

But hey, thanks for reminding me why I cared so much about your opinion on what I base MY opinion on. I should simply check in to get your feedback on what I should like - cuz you know, Iron Man 2 and 3 were on par with the original (which would certainly show things getting better, no?)

So why not assume Avengers 2 is going to be better? Oh, wait. Discussing this with you is pointless. Carry on telling me why I'm wrong to not assume all things Marvel (produced or not) are subject to the same criticality that I employ in say, deciding to watch movies directed by those geniuses behind The Matrix (1).


Purge, I honestly don't care about your feelings for any upcoming movies, by which I mean you're welcome to your opinions.  What I care about is when you're basing those opinions on incorrect information.  And stubbornly hold to them despite evidence to show where you've been incorrect.

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