Lost returns next week! [Spoilers!]

[Qantaga]

Since we're free of the time zone factor, I won't use the spoiler tag.
   
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, too, although I am a bit confuzuled by it all. I can't quite wrap my mind around why Faraday's mom (or Widmore, too, for that matter) wanted to send him to his death at her own hand, but surely that will be addressed in later episodes. I'm also a bit sad because Juliet, Desmond, and Faraday have always been my favorite characters and I hate to lose one of them.

[rittchard]

Since we're free of the time zone factor, I won't use the spoiler tag.
   
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, too, although I am a bit confuzuled by it all. I can't quite wrap my mind around why Faraday's mom (or Widmore, too, for that matter) wanted to send him to his death at her own hand, but surely that will be addressed in later episodes. I'm also a bit sad because Juliet, Desmond, and Faraday have always been my favorite characters and I hate to lose one of them.

Given this is Lost and he's not buried in the dirt, I'd say he still has a small percentage chance of living.  Don't forget Jack the miracle doctor is right around the corner, as is the healing power of Richard and the miracle cave.  All that said, this time I do believe we really lost him, as if he survives it will completely ruin the impact of an incredible final scene.  I could see it coming a mile away and I kept yelling at the screen she was going to shoot him, yet when it actually happened I still felt my heart sink.  It did bug me he ran in with the gun, which made no sense to me whatsoever as he was never a gun type of guy.  As much as I enjoy Twitchy (loved that too), I do hope he stays dead as that could be one of the most impactful deaths in the show, if not the most.  Certainly seemed like it from the previews as it appears Jack wants to go forward with the plan.

It's definitely confusing, but my guess is it will prove out to be that his death was yet again something that just "had to happen" for everything else to happen, as the mom already knew it would.  She didn't make a mistake as he thought.  I really don't think they'll be able to change the past and re-write the show as it were, as that would really suck the impact out of the whole show if it turns out they prevent the crash from ever happening.  That said, I read the finale "The Incident" would leave many in jeopardy and set up the show for the final season (as well as finally revealing the statue for us statue fans lol), which could plausibly mean they do intend to change things Back to the Future style.

Love this show.  Love love love!

[hepcat]

It's a well known fact that I'm an idiot, so could someone help a brother out here?  What happened to Faraday after he was done time trippin' with Sawyer and the rest of the Scooby gang?  I'm drawing a blank when I try to remember.   

[rittchard]

It's a well known fact that I'm an idiot, so could someone help a brother out here?  What happened to Faraday after he was done time trippin' with Sawyer and the rest of the Scooby gang?  I'm drawing a blank when I try to remember.   

They never explicitly showed it, but the implication (from last night and another ep) was that he went back on the sub to the mainland for further research.

[Ironrod]

It did bug me he ran in with the gun, which made no sense to me whatsoever as he was never a gun type of guy. 

Agreed it was out of character. At least he was holding it awkwardly, as if it were an unfamiliar tool. But walking in unarmed and getting himself detained would have served the same purpose as the dramatic entrance -- in fact, they might have been more receptive.

Even if he stays dead in 1973, I expect that we'll see him periodically in other timelines. Shows like Lost need "explainer" characters and he was a strong one. Plus he seemed to have a handle on the mechanics of time travel. 

I am glad that our Losties have a purpose again. I like the possibility of preventing their own plane crash and negating the entire series. It's probably a red herring, since they were so explicit about it, but it's an intriguing one.

[EddieA]

He's dead, Jim.

[Moliere]

He's dead, Jim.

or not

What still remains to be seen is what kind of dead Faraday is: Charlie dead, Michael dead or Locke dead?

Great episode. Running to get guns made no sense. Jack, Kate and Daniel should have just gone straight to Richard. Waving guns around only freaked out the overly angry Radzinsky and then the Hostiles.

Apparently Sawyers little speech to Jack about reading books helps him think hasn't accomplished anything more than Jack's reactionary actions. Things continue to spiral out of Sawyer's hands.

[TiLT]

That quote above about deaths confuses me. What's the difference between Charlie's and Michael's deaths in terms of their relationship to the show? Apart from Hurley seeing Charlie in his insane visions, that is.

[Qantaga]

Perhaps the better comparison would be "Jin dead."

[Moliere]

That quote above about deaths confuses me. What's the difference between Charlie's and Michael's deaths in terms of their relationship to the show? Apart from Hurley seeing Charlie in his insane visions, that is.

I think there are 3 types of death on Lost:

ghost dead (e.g., Charlie)
resurrection dead (e.g., Locke)
dead dead (e.g., Michael)

[TiLT]

That quote above about deaths confuses me. What's the difference between Charlie's and Michael's deaths in terms of their relationship to the show? Apart from Hurley seeing Charlie in his insane visions, that is.

I think there are 3 types of death on Lost:

ghost dead (e.g., Charlie)
resurrection dead (e.g., Locke)
dead dead (e.g., Michael)

I disagree. As far as I can tell, there are two types of deaths: Dead or resurrected by the Island. Hurley is a mental patient and sees things. We know he's seen, talked to, and interacted with several dead people, including Charlie and Mr Eko. That doesn't make them ghost dead. "Ghosts" seem to be more closely related to Jacob and the smoke monster, as we've seen a couple of people manifest and disappear into thin air, such as Christian Shepard. Charlie isn't one of these people.

[Moliere]

I disagree. As far as I can tell, there are two types of deaths: Dead or resurrected by the Island. Hurley is a mental patient and sees things. We know he's seen, talked to, and interacted with several dead people, including Charlie and Mr Eko. That doesn't make them ghost dead. "Ghosts" seem to be more closely related to Jacob and the smoke monster, as we've seen a couple of people manifest and disappear into thin air, such as Christian Shepard. Charlie isn't one of these people.

I'm more looking at it from the actor's point of view. Charlie gets to come back and do periodic cameos chatting it up with Hurley (at least until Desmond's son "Charlie" turns out to be the actual Charlie). Locke gets to be resurrected as his old self while I can only pray to non-existent gods that Michael "Walt!!!111!" Dawson stays dead.

[TiLT]

Ah, I see. It has to be mentioned that even though Mr Eko has returned as a ghost, the actor didn't, so the relationship between ghosts and actors isn't exactly strong.

As for the Desmond's son = Charlie theory, take a look at this article. 

[EddieA]

I would be surprised if Faraday didn't show up in at least a few more episodes, in whatever form.  In the Comic-Con preview video, they show Dr. Chang sending out a message asking for help and he's arguing with Faraday, who says the message is pointless.  Since Faraday was killed with Dr. Chang still thinking he was crazy, this video doesn't seem like it could ever have been made.  Of course, this could have just been a slip-up, but they seem to have things plotted out well in advance.

[TiLT]

In a very recent interview with the guys behind the show, they talked about that video in a way that made it sound like the fans were just thinking they hear Faraday talking. It could turn out to be someone else entirely.

[EddieA]

I guess that means he has a twin brother or someone's doing a Faraday impersonation, since it sounds just like him

[metallicorphan]

well,the shit certainly hit the fan

i liked Faradays plan......i was imagining the very end of LOST because of this plan with everyone back alive and having no recollection of anything,since the plane wouldn't crash etc...and there you could have all the original cast back together again on the plane singing a song together doing what they set on the plane in the first place to do,Jack bringing his dad back Home,Kate being escorted to begin serving her time,LOL,Charlie still hooked on drugs,Locke still in a wheelchair,Jin still can't speak English,LOL etc etc....i hope the plan still goes ahead

10 days left 'til the end of season 5....3 episodes...then next February until season 6(if its like all the other seasons starting in February)

sad to see Faraday go,i just realised a week or two ago that he was the kid in Saving Private Ryan who let Joey's Psychotic Roomate(from Friends)get knifed in the chest by the Nazi,he was in shock crying on the stairs...he redeemed himself at the end of the movie though

[Moliere]

Interesting way to get everyone all lined up for the pre-finale show. I despise Kate for many reasons, but recently its mostly because you can see that she is going to steal Sawyer from Juliette. Juliette and Sawyer seemed so happy together and annoying Kate keeps getting herself handcuffed between them.

All this talk of destiny is silly. Jack can't know what his destiny is on the island. Maybe his destiny was to save Daniel (hell he only took a single shot to the back). Kid Ben survived a hand gun shot to the chest at close range by a trained military man. Speaking of which, I had completely forgotten about Syeed until he showed up.

Nothing amuses me more than seeing Richard confused. He's been the "adviser" for so long on the island that he can't handle not having the answers. Kind of like Ben losing his leadership role.

If that hydrogen bomb was leaking in the 50's wouldn't it be leaking a lot more in the 70's?

[EddieA]

I love how Ben still tries to manipulate everything, even when he's seemingly powerless.  I have a feeling Ben still has a few tricks up his sleeve, and I wouldn't be surprised if that "Do you know what's in the shadow of the statue?" lady was working for Ben.  I have a bad feeling that Sawyer is going to be put in the position of having to save either Kate or Juliet, with the other dying.  Next week should be very interesting - pretty much anything could happen.

[LoneStarSpur]

So now the Island wants Jacob dead...interesting. (If my belief that Locke is not pre-death Locke, but more a manifestation of the Island like Christian is).

Still unsure why Richard is not aging like the rest of the Others.

[Moliere]

Still unsure why Richard is not aging like the rest of the Others.

Richard is actually Jacob? Locke kills Richard and Jacob dies.

[LoneStarSpur]

Still unsure why Richard is not aging like the rest of the Others.

Richard is actually Jacob? Locke kills Richard and Jacob dies.

Dunno...rumor is that Jacob has been cast. Hopefully we will see next week.

I think Richard is tied to the Big 3-Toed Foot Statue somehow or another. I just don't know how or why he isn't aging like the Black Rock Others.

Where the hell are the rest of the B3TFS Others?

Anyway...very cool episode last night...maybe my favorite of the season so far.

[hepcat]

Richard has been the most fascinating character to me for the last few seasons.  I was glad to see a little more of him last night.  I'm looking forward to finding out more about his background.  Hopefully it's sufficiently creepy. 

...however, every time Richard speaks, I keep hearing

Another urban myth dispelled. Ninjas don't bounce.

[Moliere]

...however, every time Richard speaks, I keep hearing

Another urban myth dispelled. Ninjas don't bounce.

It brings joy to my brain knowing I don't know what/who this is.

[hepcat]

Live action Tick.  The fact that you don't know who that is makes me doubt your taste in comedy. 

 Get thee to netflix, my son.  Thank me afterwards.   

[Ironrod]

Somebody refresh my memory...why is there an H-bomb on the island in the first place?

The tender moments between Sawyer and Juliette make it clear that one or the other of them is going to get whacked.  With Kate turning into such a little pain in the ass, I fear that Juliette's number is just about up.

Very funny scene with the scientist guy quizzing Hurley about dates.

[Moliere]

Somebody refresh my memory...why is there an H-bomb on the island in the first place?

Because the Army lost it back in the 50's. Those crazy kids, always misplacing their toys.

Very funny scene with the scientist guy quizzing Hurley about dates.

[Davidbld]

Somebody refresh my memory...why is there an H-bomb on the island in the first place?

Yea, as the last poster stated, they lost it. When the Losties were jumping around in time in one of the jumps they were attacked because the "others" thought they were the army invaders (if you remember the flaming arrows on the beach). From my history lessons I remember that the Bikini islands were obliterarted from atomic bomb testing. So I think it was just random testing on a random Island that went horribly wrong, though seeing how hard it is to find that Island the army must have gotten incredibly lucky. As for why it wouldnt be lethal from the leak some 20 years ago is beyond me unless they found someone who fixed it?

[metallicorphan]

I love how Ben still tries to manipulate everything, even when he's seemingly powerless.  I have a feeling Ben still has a few tricks up his sleeve

yet his daughter/Black Smoke told him he had better follow Locke and do as he says...so it will be interesting to see if he doesnt do that,maybe the Black Smoke will claim him!!...and Locke may end up regretting not telling Sun the truth


decent enough episode though(1 more week to go)..Kate is really pissing me off as well....Sawyer and Juliette could of gone off,put shares in MS and saved Elvis... or John Lennon


this is all gonna make a lot more sense to me i think when i watch seasons 1-6 on DVD,trying to remember what happened last year or the year before,or even in season 1 is killing me


someone said the actress who played Juliette has been cast in the new series of V...so,do you think that may be the last we see of Juliette,Sawyer and Kate for this season?

i loved it how Hurley didn't know who the president was or whether the Korean war really happened


EDIT:oh yeah what happened to Bernard and Rose?,and Vincent the Dog ...and well i think thats it

yeah i also clocked on this episode that Penny and Daniel are brother and sister like Jack and Clair were..strange big family!!

[Autistic Angel]

As for why it wouldnt be lethal from the leak some 20 years ago is beyond me unless they found someone who fixed it?

Daniel Faraday told his mother that the breached casing could be safely patched with cement.  It's hard to tell without a close-up, but at the end of the episode, I believe you could see a white area on the side of the bomb where that had been done.

Juliet was originally recruited by the Others because any pregnancies conceived on the island would kill the mother within the first trimester.  Obviously that isn't true back in the 1970's, and I'm betting that something we see with the bomb and/or the "incident" at the Swan Station turns out to be the cause.

-Autistic Angel

[CeeKay]

well, tonights the season finale.  I'm kinda pumped to see how this season ends, but I'm also dreading the inevitable cliffhanger.  I bet it will be Locke finding out who Jacob is- they'll show Lockes eyes getting wide, then bam!  the Lost logo.

[LoneStarSpur]

well, tonights the season finale.  I'm kinda pumped to see how this season ends, but I'm also dreading the inevitable cliffhanger.  I bet it will be Locke finding out who Jacob is- they'll show Lockes eyes getting wide, then bam!  the Lost logo.

You're probably exactly right.

And if next season ends with 815 landing safely with all aboard at LAX I'm going to be seriously pissed off. 

[LoneStarSpur]

Spoiler for Hiden:

Holy shit!

[CeeKay]

Spoiler for Hiden:

[Barrakketh]

Spoiler for Hiden:

That pretty much sums up my reaction as well.

[LoneStarSpur]

Spoiler for Hiden:

Spoiler for Hiden:

"They're coming"
I always hated friggin' Dharma anyway. 

[CeeKay]

only about 8 months to wait if they keep true to the series starting towards the end of January....

8 months.....

Spoiler for Hiden:

[disarm]

great episode...going to be a really long wait until next year...

[McBa1n]

LOL - the spoiler pic about sums it all up. From the finale in season 1 up until now. One big one of those. 1 to go then I can be free of 'hope' and go back to boycotting network tv yet again!

[EddieA]

This recap pretty much sums up my feelings about the finale.  The mythology stuff was great and the action scenes were well done, but the main storyline of detonating the bomb was so rushed that the characters' actions made no sense.  The writers knew where they needed to be at the end of the season, and just kind of threw the believability of the characters' actions to the wind to get everyone on board with the plan.  The worst was Juliet making a complete 180 in a few minutes' time just so she wouldn't lose Sawyer.  It was all so silly that it was hard to enjoy the action of detonating the bomb, which was done well.

Other than that, I enjoyed the finale, and it's nice to finally get a glimpse of the big picture, with Jacob and the other guy at the beginning.  They raised lots of interesting questions - If Jacob brought the Oceanic people to the island, does that mean that Jack trying to erase it all was the wrong thing to do?  Where was the other guy (from the intro) all this time, and is he the one who manipulated everyone into coming back to the island?  Was the smoke monster actually him all along?  How are they going to wrap this all up in 17 more episodes?