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« on: July 03, 2008, 11:55:54 PM »

Came across this today.

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A Printer driver is a folder with one ď.iniĒ file, and a couple of ď.dllĒs and thatís it.
It is not a 50 MB download. It is not an IE Toolbar, and Side Pane. It is not half-baked photo software. It is not a splash screen when your computer starts. It is not a tray icon.

So true.  As is:

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I pay you to put a cable in my house, and let me send things up and down it; no more.
I donít want your useless Anti-Virus products. I donít want your ďDesktop HelpĒ applications. I donít want your tray icons. I donít want your proprietary browsers. I donít want an email address with you. I donít want your website as my home page (including a Google Search that only shows adverts).
Read the rest here:
http://camendesign.com/?200806291241
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 12:10:35 AM »

Some people do want it, though, because some people aren't very bright.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 02:30:14 AM »

the article is invalid without Derek Smart being listed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 04:01:29 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on July 04, 2008, 02:30:14 AM

the article is invalid without Derek Smart being listed.

i swear there is something with developers the name derek that makes them break down. check out the latest happenings of too human. my god that was hilarious.

woops confused dyack with derek in my mind. still the latest too human is hilarious.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 06:34:36 AM »

I agree 120% with the list

Somewhere along the windows road in the past ten years, computer software has gotten so unwieldly because some developers see a system with 4 cores and 8 gigs of memory as permission to make even more complicated, unwieldly designs.

I'd also like to offer - software that auto-checks for updates every time it loads. I don't give a crap that there's an update for Adobe Acrobat or QuickTime. It's a PDF reader. Or a video viewer. I don't need the 20MB update, it still works just fine the way it is, thank you very much. If you're going to force an auto-update, just do it in the background. Don't force me to quit everything else because your patch or updated version requires a system reboot.

And why can't I turn these updates off for any of this software? ITunes is particularly terrible for this. The 'Don't notify me about this updated version of itunes' doesn't work at all. After clicking "NO" I'm guaranteed to see the message again a few days later.

And secondly - software that starts at startup by default, that has no business starting up. QuickTime. Any IM programs. Any program that starts when I start my computer automatically pisses me off. I want the minimum number of processes started at all times. 30 is a good ballpark number. 40 is pushing it. I've seen people with eighty seven processes running on their system.

One thing I've been told, as a software developer, is "if your software is too slow, rather than re-write just wait six months for faster computers to come out". I think this adage is used far too often to justify bad and sloppy code.

Oh, and I can't agree with that guy more about Norton antivirus. That thing is more detrimental to the user experience IMO than just getting a virus.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 01:56:29 PM »

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A graphics card driver drives the screen. It does not include a tray icon, that handily reminds
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      be so complex that I have to choose between a Basic and Advanced mode, both of which are as equally useless
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AMEN brother!!!!!!  The first time nvidia included that bitch with their universal drivers, I actually contemplated getting a plane ticket, flying to whatever city they're based in, and punching someone in the face for that decision.  Of course ATI competes by having the most gigantic system hog (Catalyst Control Center) for a video card, so they're little better.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 02:37:11 PM »

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 04, 2008, 06:34:36 AM

I'd also like to offer - software that auto-checks for updates every time it loads. I don't give a crap that there's an update for Adobe Acrobat or QuickTime. It's a PDF reader. Or a video viewer. I don't need the 20MB update, it still works just fine the way it is, thank you very much. If you're going to force an auto-update, just do it in the background. Don't force me to quit everything else because your patch or updated version requires a system reboot.

And secondly - software that starts at startup by default, that has no business starting up. QuickTime. Any IM programs. Any program that starts when I start my computer automatically pisses me off. I want the minimum number of processes started at all times. 30 is a good ballpark number. 40 is pushing it. I've seen people with eighty seven processes running on their system.

Thankfully most software like that will turn off and stay that way if you remove its entry from msconfig. Of course, there's some like Quicktime that tries to put itself back in there once or twice more if you remove it.

But yes, I do agree with that list.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »

I agree with everything on that list, especially the printer driver thing.  I mean, even the basic HP printer drivers are 30MB with no additional software.  I mean, seriously!  There's no need for this!
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 11:50:47 PM »

Quote from: The Grue on July 04, 2008, 12:10:35 AM

Some people do want it, though, because some people aren't very bright.

AOL users mostly. slywink
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 12:23:10 PM »

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 04, 2008, 06:34:36 AM

I'd also like to offer - software that auto-checks for updates every time it loads. I don't give a crap that there's an update for Adobe Acrobat or QuickTime. It's a PDF reader. Or a video viewer. I don't need the 20MB update, it still works just fine the way it is, thank you very much. If you're going to force an auto-update, just do it in the background. Don't force me to quit everything else because your patch or updated version requires a system reboot.

Adobe Acrobat Reader is one of the most widely used, unnecessarily bloated pieces of software on the market.  it's absolutely ridiculous that a program with the sole purpose of reading one file format requires such a large install, wants to update frequently (requiring reboots), and runs so slowly.  you would think the original developer of the program would put an effort into writing something more efficient.  it doesn't really matter to me anymore though...ditched Adobe's software in favor of Foxit Reader on all my PCs a long time ago.  it works great without all the pointless bloat...and it's much faster icon_cool
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 02:00:43 PM »

Quote from: disarm on July 08, 2008, 12:23:10 PM

Quote from: DragonFyre on July 04, 2008, 06:34:36 AM

I'd also like to offer - software that auto-checks for updates every time it loads. I don't give a crap that there's an update for Adobe Acrobat or QuickTime. It's a PDF reader. Or a video viewer. I don't need the 20MB update, it still works just fine the way it is, thank you very much. If you're going to force an auto-update, just do it in the background. Don't force me to quit everything else because your patch or updated version requires a system reboot.

Adobe Acrobat Reader is one of the most widely used, unnecessarily bloated pieces of software on the market.  it's absolutely ridiculous that a program with the sole purpose of reading one file format requires such a large install, wants to update frequently (requiring reboots), and runs so slowly.  you would think the original developer of the program would put an effort into writing something more efficient.  it doesn't really matter to me anymore though...ditched Adobe's software in favor of Foxit Reader on all my PCs a long time ago.  it works great without all the pointless bloat...and it's much faster icon_cool

I hear that.  It's ridiculous how fast it opens up PDFs compared to Adobe.  You would think that the makers of a file format would have the best software for it, but I guess not.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 04:14:52 PM »

Open-source FTW.

Forget MS Office, get OpenOffice.

Forget Adobe Reader, get Foxit.

You don't need a 1.5 gb fucking program to burn a fucking CD. Get CDBurnerXP.

Didn't read the article, but Symantec's bloated, obese, disease-ridden ass better be on it. Lose Norton (all of it), and get AVG or Avast.

Forget expensive defraggers, get JKDefrag.

I've found an open-source or freeware replacement for almost everything that costs money, and in many cases the open-source version is a better product.




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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2008, 12:43:42 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2008, 12:51:44 AM »

Quote from: Jeff Jones on July 08, 2008, 04:14:52 PM

Open-source FTW.

Forget MS Office, get OpenOffice.

Forget Adobe Reader, get Foxit.

You don't need a 1.5 gb fucking program to burn a fucking CD. Get CDBurnerXP.

Didn't read the article, but Symantec's bloated, obese, disease-ridden ass better be on it. Lose Norton (all of it), and get AVG or Avast.

Forget expensive defraggers, get JKDefrag.

I've found an open-source or freeware replacement for almost everything that costs money, and in many cases the open-source version is a better product.

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2008, 02:03:24 AM »

Quote from: Jeff Jones on July 08, 2008, 04:14:52 PM

Open-source FTW.

Forget MS Office, get OpenOffice.

Forget Adobe Reader, get Foxit.

You don't need a 1.5 gb fucking program to burn a fucking CD. Get CDBurnerXP.

Didn't read the article, but Symantec's bloated, obese, disease-ridden ass better be on it. Lose Norton (all of it), and get AVG or Avast.

Forget expensive defraggers, get JKDefrag.

I've found an open-source or freeware replacement for almost everything that costs money, and in many cases the open-source version is a better product.





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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 03:45:34 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Jones on July 08, 2008, 04:14:52 PM

Open-source FTW.

Forget MS Office, get OpenOffice.

Forget Adobe Reader, get Foxit.

You don't need a 1.5 gb fucking program to burn a fucking CD. Get CDBurnerXP.

Didn't read the article, but Symantec's bloated, obese, disease-ridden ass better be on it. Lose Norton (all of it), and get AVG or Avast.

Forget expensive defraggers, get JKDefrag.

I've found an open-source or freeware replacement for almost everything that costs money, and in many cases the open-source version is a better product.

So say we all!
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 04:29:30 PM »

Well, except for Office.  I'd gladly pay for MS Office over that bug-ridden pile called OpenOffice.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 07:43:47 PM »

StarOffice is better than OpenOffice (IMO), and it comes free with the Google Pack.  It's basically the same thing with a little more polish.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 08:29:49 PM »

Quote from: Eel Snave on July 07, 2008, 07:17:24 PM

I agree with everything on that list, especially the printer driver thing.  I mean, even the basic HP printer drivers are 30MB with no additional software.  I mean, seriously!  There's no need for this!

It's fucking insane.  It's one of the reasons I love OS X so much.  I just plugged the printer in and it worked.  No dicking around with gigantic 'drivers' and extra BS piled on.  PDF reader is built in.  That's one thing to be said about OS X, it does the basic parts of computing so much better than Windows does.

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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 07:09:22 PM »

Quote from: gellar on July 11, 2008, 08:29:49 PM

Quote from: Eel Snave on July 07, 2008, 07:17:24 PM

I agree with everything on that list, especially the printer driver thing.  I mean, even the basic HP printer drivers are 30MB with no additional software.  I mean, seriously!  There's no need for this!

It's fucking insane.  It's one of the reasons I love OS X so much.  I just plugged the printer in and it worked.  No dicking around with gigantic 'drivers' and extra BS piled on.  PDF reader is built in.  That's one thing to be said about OS X, it does the basic parts of computing so much better than Windows does.

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Yes! Everytime I'm stuck on Windows and have to wait while Acrobat Reader spins up, I realize how much I love OS X and Preview!
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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 09:18:44 PM »

Quote from: gellar on July 11, 2008, 08:29:49 PM

Quote from: Eel Snave on July 07, 2008, 07:17:24 PM

I agree with everything on that list, especially the printer driver thing.  I mean, even the basic HP printer drivers are 30MB with no additional software.  I mean, seriously!  There's no need for this!

It's fucking insane.  It's one of the reasons I love OS X so much.  I just plugged the printer in and it worked.  No dicking around with gigantic 'drivers' and extra BS piled on.  PDF reader is built in.  That's one thing to be said about OS X, it does the basic parts of computing so much better than Windows does.

gellar

Exactly. Plug in a video camera, and it works. It's why I bought a MacBook. I was so frustrated with the way Windows made you jump through hoops to do something that should be simple. Windows is like fighting a beast, only the beast is supposed to help you, but gets you killed in the process.
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 09:44:47 PM »

Linux > all your pansy windows AND mac users
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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2008, 09:46:49 PM »

Quote from: FireFox on July 14, 2008, 09:44:47 PM

Linux > all your pansy windows AND mac users

Yeah cause Linux is super fucking easy to use.

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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2008, 09:47:59 PM »

heh, keep on forgetting that mac was ripped off from unix and windows was ripped off from mac
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2008, 09:57:41 PM »

Quote from: FireFox on July 14, 2008, 09:47:59 PM

heh, keep on forgetting that mac was ripped off from unix and windows was ripped off from mac

Wat?

UNIX is total command line, whereas Mac OS Classic didn't even HAVE a command line.  I thought Mac and Windows both ripped their ideas off from Xerox anyway.

Mac OS X is in fact a variant of BSD UNIX, but the GUI is still derivative of the old classic Mac OS.  Basically Apple melded the idea of UNIX object-oriented OS (to stop calls from running the fuck into each other) and the GUI it ripped off from Xerox years ago.

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