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« Reply #1560 on: September 11, 2013, 03:40:42 PM »

Although I hate the word "paradigm," to me true innovation would be, well, "what's next?" Even if I love my iOS products, I'm not convinced Apple's looking at "what's next" anymore. It's more, we did these two great things (iPhone, iPad), and let's iterate themselves to death.

imho, the problem with the iTunes/iOS and Android/Google market saturation is there's really no room for anyone else to come in and throw a successful curveball because folks don't want to invest in devices where they have to start over in terms of apps and content.

Wearables are interesting flim flammery but it doesn't seem like most folks expect them to take over the market.

I'd still like to see a holographic screen, or just an affordable device that projected a screen, without needing to be against a wall. I guess what I mean is if I could tap a button on my smartphone, and it'd project a larger screen when I need it, and then disappear when I don't, to me that would be useful innovation. Right now, it only seems to be in comic book movies.  icon_smile

As far as 5C/5S, I'd certainly consider 5S but would really want to read some more detailed reviews that should be out soon. And I'm sure the longer I wait, the more true 64-bit apps will be out there that really exploit the new chip and such.
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« Reply #1561 on: September 11, 2013, 03:55:04 PM »

Quote from: gellar on September 10, 2013, 04:15:26 PM

I really just want iOS7 to come out.

Same. Once iOS7 comes out the jailbreaking groups will release their latest hacks (they held back and didn't release much of anything in iOS6) and I can finally do things like organize the launcher how I want to. biggrin

Quote from: Lee on September 10, 2013, 06:41:58 PM

Neat phone, but I won't be running out to buy one a year short of my contract.

It's SO nice going contract free. And SO unbelievably cheaper in the long run, too.

That said, I'm going to keep my iPhone 5. The 5s is, just like the 4s, an incremental upgrade. A nice little upgrade, yes, but I'll still wait. We'll see what the iPhone 6 brings to the table. I hope they keep the 'small phone' concept - I for one love how small and tiny it is, despite having to buy a case for it to make it slightly larger and heavier. Go figure.
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« Reply #1562 on: September 11, 2013, 05:47:54 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 11, 2013, 03:55:04 PM

It's SO nice going contract free. And SO unbelievably cheaper in the long run, too.

Which provider do you use?

I've been using StraightTalk for about a year with a CraigsList-purchased iPhone4.   I'm happy with the service but torn between paying the off-contract price for a new phone or sharing my mother's Verizon plan and getting a subsidized 5S.
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« Reply #1563 on: September 11, 2013, 05:50:36 PM »

Hands-on stuff from various places (Endgadget and LaptopMag includes some video from after Tuesday's event; I couldn't get Endgadget's to display on my iPhone, think it's Flash. Irony  icon_razz)

Laptopmag, setting up 5C's TouchID
http://blog.laptopmag.com/setup-fingerprint-reader-iphone5s
*Can't really "pull quote" this, it's a step-by-step guide w/ photos. You can use any finger but you're encouraged to use the one you use most often on the home button. Probably thumb or index finger for most. Perhaps pinky if you're channeling Dr. Evil.  thumbsup

Laptopmag, 5C
http://blog.laptopmag.com/apple-iphone-5c-hands-on
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Although the iPhone 5c has a plastic back, it doesnít feel cheap. While not as solid as the aluminum of the iPhone 5s, it certainly feels like it can take a few knocks. Best of all, the glossy finish seemed to be pretty good at hiding fingerprints. Size-wise, the iPhone 5c offers the same dimensions as the iPhone 5 ó 4.9 x 2.33 x 0.35 inches, but is slightly thicker. And, at 4.65 ounces, a little heavier than the 3.95-ounce iPhone 5 and 5s.

Laptopmag, 5S
http://blog.laptopmag.com/apple-iphone-5s-hands-on
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Setting up the fingerprint sensor was easy; tap your finger on the sensor a number of times until it registers the various details of your fingerprint. You can also enter several different fingers. After, opening the phone by holding our finger on the sensor took less than a second; itís certainly faster than entering a four-digit code. You can also use your fingerprint to make iTunes purchases. Hopefully, this security feature will be extended to other things, such as logging into websites.

On the back, a dual LED flash enables more even lighting when taking photos in dark conditions, and the new burst mode in the camera app was fun to use. Press and hold on the shutter button, and it fires off up to 10 shots per second (a little counter appears above the button, showing how many shots youíve taken). Cleverly, after youíre done shooting, the Photo app will show you what it thinks is the best picture from all those you shot; you can then scroll through all the photos using a slider just beneath.

Endgadget, 5C
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/apple-iphone-5c-hands-on/
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Apple repeatedly mentioned during its event that it's "unapologetic" about the plastic build, and deservedly so -- not only does it feel great, it's the most solid polycarbonate build that we've ever laid hands on. There is absolutely nothing about this setup that makes us believe it's not capable of handling wear and tear, and the reinforced steel frame convinces us that it's even going to survive falls without a problem.

Speaking of which, the 5c has a glossy finish, but we were quite happy to find that it's not the fingerprint magnet that we've come to expect on other devices. It sufficiently handled the greasy fingerprints of a couple hundred journalists, so we doubt you need to be concerned about this phone looking dirty when it's just you handling it. In fact, it has a subtle shine to it that serves to complement the vibrant colors.

Endgadget, 5S
http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/apple-iphone-5s-hands-on/
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The iPhone 5s' defining feature, frankly, is the Touch ID fingerprint sensor. The device is now capable of detecting the unique ridges in your fingertips, allowing you to bypass the passcode completely, not to mention downloading and purchasing apps and iTunes content. It's able to store up to five individual fingerprints, which is helpful if you have multiple people in your family who want to use the same device. Once everything is set up, the unit we played with worked flawlessly, as all we had to do was place our finger on the button to unlock the screen. It made for a much faster and enjoyable experience, one that will likely appease plenty of users who aren't happy with the idea of putting passcodes on their phone.

The only tedious part of the whole process was actually getting it set up in the first place. Since the contours of your finger are three-dimensional, the phone asked us to place our fingers on the button several times and in several angles -- sometimes we could lay our finger flat on it, while other times we were prompted to roll the finger to the left or right. Even then, it only took about a minute to get everything set.

Also, the gold 5s color is actually pretty nice. It's lined with white on the top and bottom, and the gold itself is a rather subtle color; it's not going to blind anybody when you take it out of your pocket. It has a little bit of a shine to it as well, depending on which angle you hold the phone at. The white version is basically the same as we've enjoyed on the iPhone 5, and the space grey is more of a gunpowder look, with black highlights on the top and bottom.

Apple Insider first look
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/10/first-look-apples-new-iphone-5s-and-iphone-5c
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[5C] Dimensions are identical to the outgoing flagship handset, though we were once again surprised by the device's heft, or more specifically lack thereof. While light in the hand, the structure is just as solid as the iPhone 5, with similar button and switch feel.

As for the integrated fingerprint sensor, dubbed Touch ID, the module isn't obtrusive and blends in nicely with the iPhone's sleek lines. The home button's familiar square icon is gone, replaced by a blank sapphire covering that is encircled by a stainless steel ring used to detect finger contact. AppleInsider's predictions as to the importance of the metal ring, made last week, were confirmed with today's announcement.

The home button is almost flush with the unit's faceplate, though the steel ring is slightly beveled, possibly to protect the sapphire cover from being scratched.
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Although it boasts a shell made of polycarbonate, the 5c felt extremely solid and substantial in our hands; it didn't feel "cheap" or "plasticky" as some feared. The casing is shiny, as can be seen from the pictures, but not overly polished like some other handsets on the market.  
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« Reply #1564 on: September 11, 2013, 08:53:56 PM »

Blargh, I forgot I got my iPhone 5 w/ new 2 year contract just about a year ago, so like some other folks here I'd have to buy a 5S non-subsidized ($849). While I could, I'd probably just as soon throw that type money towards the latest iPad possibly launching later this year instead. And then let's see what Sept. 2014 brings.

MacWorld has a more in-depth look at the 5C/5S:

The iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c: What you need to know
http://www.macworld.com/article/2048570/the-iphone-5s-and-iphone-5c-what-you-need-to-know.html
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« Reply #1565 on: September 11, 2013, 09:33:05 PM »

I'm on AT&T, and one year in on an iPhone 5 and two year contract. My quoted price from Apple is $549. Still too much for this year.
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« Reply #1566 on: September 11, 2013, 10:11:36 PM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on September 11, 2013, 09:33:05 PM

I'm on AT&T, and one year in on an iPhone 5 and two year contract. My quoted price from Apple is $549. Still too much for this year.

Don't both AT&T and Verizon have new buy earlier than 2 years options now? Each month owned counts towards a lower fee or something?
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« Reply #1567 on: September 11, 2013, 10:24:14 PM »

Quote from: Lee on September 11, 2013, 10:11:36 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on September 11, 2013, 09:33:05 PM

I'm on AT&T, and one year in on an iPhone 5 and two year contract. My quoted price from Apple is $549. Still too much for this year.

Don't both AT&T and Verizon have new buy earlier than 2 years options now? Each month owned counts towards a lower fee or something?

I don't think that kicks in until one year into the contract and doesn't make much difference until you approach the two year anniversary.


I ran the numbers - if I buy an unlocked 5s for $649 and stay with Straight Talk I pay $1657 over two years.  If I get Verizon's quoted trade-in value for my iPhone4 and share my mom's plan I pay $1770 over two years.  My work phone is a Verizon phone and the coverage is noticeably better than the re-sold AT&T coverage on Straight Talk.


Looks like I'm going with Verizon.
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« Reply #1568 on: September 11, 2013, 11:06:56 PM »

Didn't apple recently start its own iDevice trade-in program? I remember reading you have to do it in an Apple store, and have to be ready to swap to a new phone right then and there.
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« Reply #1569 on: September 11, 2013, 11:10:03 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on September 11, 2013, 11:06:56 PM

Didn't apple recently start its own iDevice trade-in program? I remember reading you have to do it in an Apple store, and have to be ready to swap to a new phone right then and there.

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My 8GB iPhone4 is worth a $130 Apple gift card.
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« Reply #1570 on: September 12, 2013, 01:56:27 AM »

Quote from: Exodor on September 11, 2013, 11:10:03 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on September 11, 2013, 11:06:56 PM

Didn't apple recently start its own iDevice trade-in program? I remember reading you have to do it in an Apple store, and have to be ready to swap to a new phone right then and there.

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My 8GB iPhone4 is worth a $130 Apple gift card.

My iPhone 5 is worth $285 (it got very wet, but still works perfectly after a few days in a bag of rice. Stupid FL storms). I could buy a 5s pretty easily with the 5 worth that much. Too bad you can't just walk into the store and get the credit right there. I would be scared that if I bought a 5s my 5 would lose value by the time I sold it.
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« Reply #1571 on: September 12, 2013, 02:56:01 AM »

Quote from: Exodor on September 11, 2013, 05:47:54 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 11, 2013, 03:55:04 PM

It's SO nice going contract free. And SO unbelievably cheaper in the long run, too.
Which provider do you use?

I've been using StraightTalk for about a year with a CraigsList-purchased iPhone4.   I'm happy with the service but torn between paying the off-contract price for a new phone or sharing my mother's Verizon plan and getting a subsidized 5S.

T-Mobile and their special 'web only' deal. Yes I had to buy the phone up front. Yes I can't get any insurance through the plan. But for $30 a month (plus about $3 in taxes) I get 100 minutes (but unlimited wi-fi calling), 'unlimited' (5GB before they slow you down) internet, and unlimited texting. Although the plan is only really useful if you're in a major city that has good coverage on just their towers (or so they say).

So while everyone is paying $80 (what my Sprint bill was after an employee discount) or a lot more (I know my brother pays over $100 with his discount), I'm getting back the cost of the phone in about a year. And then saving oodles of money if I say, keep it for two (most contract durations).

Also, $285 in Apple credit for the iPhone 5 (which model though)? Wow.
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« Reply #1572 on: September 12, 2013, 03:27:44 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 11, 2013, 03:55:04 PM

It's SO nice going contract free. And SO unbelievably cheaper in the long run, too.

Not necessarily - my Nokia, for instance, is a $599 phone (off-carrier).

They ran a promo back when I got it that had it for 0$ and I had to pay $55/mo for unlimited local and long distance to N/A, unltd text/mms, and 6GB/mo for three years.

55*36 months = 1980-600(phone "price") = 1380 for the plan - or 38.33 / mo

Then I noticed their non-data 2yr plans.

30/mo for 200 daytime minutes, unltd long distance, unltd evenings/weekends, unltd sms/mms texts for 30/mo *24 mo +30 for the initial cost of the phone.

$720 - 570 (for the phone "cost" +30 upfront) = $6.25/mo for my service. (sure, tack on the 30 over 24 months - 7.30?)

Since my data use is almost exclusively WiFi (and my ISP has seeded many many retail locations with WiFi) it's worked out to be cheaper than buying the phone, then activation costs and paying for service that would NEVER sell for 7bux a month.

Since my Lumia is *my* phone, and the cell number I use is for my work, I dropped their sim in it, and put the "plan" sim into my old 16GB 3GS which is being used by my GF.
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« Reply #1573 on: September 12, 2013, 03:35:01 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 12, 2013, 02:56:01 AM

T-Mobile and their special 'web only' deal. Yes I had to buy the phone up front. Yes I can't get any insurance through the plan. But for $30 a month (plus about $3 in taxes) I get 100 minutes (but unlimited wi-fi calling), 'unlimited' (5GB before they slow you down) internet, and unlimited texting. Although the plan is only really useful if you're in a major city that has good coverage on just their towers (or so they say).

So while everyone is paying $80 (what my Sprint bill was after an employee discount) or a lot more (I know my brother pays over $100 with his discount), I'm getting back the cost of the phone in about a year. And then saving oodles of money if I say, keep it for two (most contract durations).

Do you get 4G through T-Mobile? 

StraightTalk is $42 a month for unlimited data (with a soft 2 GB cap) and unlimited voice/texts.  I don't get visual voicemail and I can't do MMS texting.  Data access on my iPhone4 is sometimes sketchy so I'm not convinced their 4G coverage will compete with Verizon's.  For ~$100 more over the course of a 2 year contract I'm probably going to switch to Verizon.
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« Reply #1574 on: September 13, 2013, 03:28:23 AM »

Quote from: Exodor on September 12, 2013, 03:35:01 AM

Do you get 4G through T-Mobile? 

Yes I do (live in the Phoenix metro area). And I see a noticeable speed increase when I'm in such a zone, so I know it's connecting and such.

Also, no, T-Mobile doesn't have a chance in competing with Verizon's network. For that extra $10 a month, odds are it'll be worthwhile for you.
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« Reply #1575 on: September 13, 2013, 11:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Exodor on September 10, 2013, 10:52:12 PM

Having seen some demos of the fingerprint reader it's pretty cool.  I don't use a unlock code because I'm fundamentally lazy but I like the idea of securing my phone but still being able to access it easily.

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