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« on: December 16, 2007, 09:24:31 PM »

I'll let the image do the talking:



So...Foxfire, eh? I guess I gotta change browsers.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2007, 09:39:07 PM »

The title of this thread is incorrect. It should be "Kid gets detention because he didn't follow directions".
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 10:01:49 PM »

Quote from: happydog on December 16, 2007, 09:39:07 PM

The title of this thread is incorrect. It should be "Kid gets detention because he didn't follow directions".

While true, my title has a better chance of getting people into the thread and post. biggrin
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 10:29:53 PM »

sounds like someone's in M$'s pocket  slywink
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2007, 01:49:38 AM »

Ah, the quality of the educators in this country is fuckin' awesome.

My mother (who is an awesome teacher) has a teacher on her 'team' who teaches history.  He told her about how he was reading a Tom Clancy book during their homeroom times, and that it was the first book he had read in his life.

And he's teaching our children.  Awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2007, 02:36:18 AM »

Given the problems schools have with students doing/accessing things on their computers, I have to say I'm not surprised a school would react this way.  If the person running the lab isn't sure of what the kid was running, he's not just going to let the kid run it.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2007, 03:27:32 AM »

On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.

I'm sorry, but if following directions means using an old bug and exploit prone browser, I'll safely go my own way and use firefox.

If anything, the kid showed more initiative which is what'll make him more successful than following directions all the time.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 04:24:39 AM »

I'm still trying to figure out what "Foxfire.exe" is.  Maybe it's Firefox's malicious twin, in which case, he deserves detention.  Damn punk kids.  slywink
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 04:43:39 AM »

Quote from: Gratch on December 17, 2007, 04:24:39 AM

I'm still trying to figure out what "Foxfire.exe" is. 


it sounds like a communist ploy to infect our Purity of Essence!......
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 04:44:16 AM »

Quote from: Kratz on December 17, 2007, 01:49:38 AM

Ah, the quality of the educators in this country is fuckin' awesome.

My mother (who is an awesome teacher) has a teacher on her 'team' who teaches history.  He told her about how he was reading a Tom Clancy book during their homeroom times, and that it was the first book he had read in his life.

And he's teaching our children.  Awesome.

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2007, 05:14:44 AM »

He got off easy.  I would have had him before a firing squad.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2007, 06:06:36 AM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 17, 2007, 05:14:44 AM

He got off easy.  I would have had him before a firing squad.

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2007, 07:32:45 AM »

Quote from: Turtle on December 17, 2007, 03:27:32 AM

On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.

I'm sorry, but if following directions means using an old bug and exploit prone browser, I'll safely go my own way and use firefox.

If anything, the kid showed more initiative which is what'll make him more successful than following directions all the time.

I agree, but I also know that because of past controversies many schools are using modifications and settings on their browser software in order to restrict internet access and keep kids away from porn, etc.  If you allow kids to show up with their own browser, you might as well not bother blocking IE. 

We aren't talking about a college here, it's a high school junior.  A high school junior who refused to follow the teacher's directions to use the school supplied materials.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2007, 09:20:15 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2007, 12:55:04 PM »

Quote from: Sarkus on December 17, 2007, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Turtle on December 17, 2007, 03:27:32 AM

On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.

I'm sorry, but if following directions means using an old bug and exploit prone browser, I'll safely go my own way and use firefox.

If anything, the kid showed more initiative which is what'll make him more successful than following directions all the time.

I agree, but I also know that because of past controversies many schools are using modifications and settings on their browser software in order to restrict internet access and keep kids away from porn, etc.  If you allow kids to show up with their own browser, you might as well not bother blocking IE. 

We aren't talking about a college here, it's a high school junior.  A high school junior who refused to follow the teacher's directions to use the school supplied materials.

That's a really good point.  Since school districts get sued for anything at the drop of a hat, it makes sense that a teacher would be required to very strictly enforce the use of "approved" programs.  If Little Johnny was using the "Foxfire" browser and managed to pull up a porn site, I'm sure the parents would have no problem going after the school.
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2007, 01:34:24 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on December 17, 2007, 06:06:36 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on December 17, 2007, 05:14:44 AM

He got off easy.  I would have had him before a firing squad.

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That's for Opera. 
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2007, 02:27:43 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on December 17, 2007, 03:27:32 AM

On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.



Amen.  My best friend's daughter had an assignment in her 8th grade computer lab.  All the assignments were submitted to the teacher's PC using a single shared directory.  All the students had admin rights to this directory.  retard  A rival student went in and changed the daughter's assignment after it was submitted (after all, everyone had admin rights).  The teacher gave my friend's daughter an F on the assignment.

My best friend went in to the school absolutely livid and dressed down the teacher.  The teacher really had no clue as to what the root cause of the problem was even after my friend gave him the "Shares for Dummies" tutorial.

I still believe in the old saying......Those who can, do.  Those who can't, teach.
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2007, 04:44:02 PM »

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On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.

That is a *fantastic* idea.  I agree wholeheartedly.

Now, what sort of training / incentive program do you propose we implement to make it happen?  I'll be especially interested to hear all your ideas on how to fund the whole thing.

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2007, 04:59:43 PM »

There was just an article about some kids who navigated the network and got "preview copies" of their exams.  And not surprisingly, people try to blame that on Microsoft.  Sorry people, it's not Microsoft's fault you don't set rights on your file server.  Hire an admin, you cheap bastages.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2007, 05:26:15 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on December 17, 2007, 04:44:02 PM

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On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.

That is a *fantastic* idea.  I agree wholeheartedly.

Now, what sort of training / incentive program do you propose we implement to make it happen?  I'll be especially interested to hear all your ideas on how to fund the whole thing.

-Autistic Angel

The odds of the School District pulling a degree holding person who is certified to teach is pretty slim.  The odds of paying them well even less.  I ended up with a guy who taught Chem and Bio as well as "Computers".  Not quite as bad as my Gym/Math teacher, which likely explains why I had to start at Math 092 in College.
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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2007, 05:50:17 PM »

Quote from: Austin on December 17, 2007, 01:34:24 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on December 17, 2007, 06:06:36 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on December 17, 2007, 05:14:44 AM

He got off easy.  I would have had him before a firing squad.

bring back flogging!

That's for Opera. 

what about Safari?  Chinese Water Torture?
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2007, 05:50:50 PM »

Quote from: Autistic Angel on December 17, 2007, 04:44:02 PM

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On the other hand, they should get people who know what they're doing to run the computer labs.

That is a *fantastic* idea.  I agree wholeheartedly.

Now, what sort of training / incentive program do you propose we implement to make it happen?  I'll be especially interested to hear all your ideas on how to fund the whole thing.

-Autistic Angel

Why are teachers setting up share points? A file server with RWX set up properly, REGARDLESS OF PLATFORM, should be part of the school structure.

For instance, creating a folder that students have WRITE access with no READ access would allow you to do things like:

\\SchoolRoom204\Biology\Tests\Class_3a\upload\Student_Id\

Student_Id is accessible to all teachers, and that student. The student is only allowed to write to that folder. Once the tests are done they rar/zip up the entire upload folder and delete the existing tests.

Since no local/share permissions exist for other classmates, it's no problem.
Also, since the student only has write access, they can't see what's in there (even if you were to make it \upload\test005\ with Write only). it's a point for them to copy there. They can't open ones there (no execute) and not be able to see ANY contents in that folder (no Read/List permission).

IF their software is set up to autosave during the test, then it should be pointed there. Even easier.

It's stupid to expect teachers to be the ones (save perhaps the computer instructors) to know how to administer a computer network. You'll be lucky enough to find a teacher who knows how to TEACH.
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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2007, 05:52:59 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on December 17, 2007, 05:50:17 PM

Quote from: Austin on December 17, 2007, 01:34:24 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on December 17, 2007, 06:06:36 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on December 17, 2007, 05:14:44 AM

He got off easy.  I would have had him before a firing squad.

bring back flogging!

That's for Opera. 

what about Safari?  Chinese Water Torture?

I'd say frontal lobotomy, but if they are using Safari, that's probably not going to accomplish anything  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2007, 07:58:51 PM »

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Why are teachers setting up share points? A file server with RWX set up properly, REGARDLESS OF PLATFORM, should be part of the school structure.

For instance, creating a folder that students have WRITE access with no READ access would allow you to do things like:

\\SchoolRoom204\Biology\Tests\Class_3a\upload\Student_Id\

Student_Id is accessible to all teachers, and that student. The student is only allowed to write to that folder. Once the tests are done they rar/zip up the entire upload folder and delete the existing tests.

Since no local/share permissions exist for other classmates, it's no problem.
Also, since the student only has write access, they can't see what's in there (even if you were to make it \upload\test005\ with Write only). it's a point for them to copy there. They can't open ones there (no execute) and not be able to see ANY contents in that folder (no Read/List permission).

im so glad we have technology to simplify the already difficult task of teaching children

purge you should make all schools looking to implement tech read what you just wrote - maybe some of them will say something to the effect of "holy shit we better just stick with free pencils, a copy machine and *gasp* correcting the test ourselves!"
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2007, 08:18:14 PM »

Quote from: Doopri on December 17, 2007, 07:58:51 PM

maybe some of them will say something to the effect of "holy shit we better just stick with free pencils, a copy machine and *gasp* correcting the test ourselves!"

screw the copy machine, bring back the mimeograph!!!
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2007, 08:22:29 PM »

it's not like old exams were never stolen before computers were around. Roll Eyes

I'd say its a matter of administration; create a structure that is locked down. Why was the kid able to install firefox? What about using domain policies to enforce app availability?

Pay to have your network to be set up and administered properly ONCE, and then teachers are just a different level user and not a systems admin.

It's not like you have your race-car driver hopping out of the car at pit to help change the tires.
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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2007, 08:37:31 PM »

Quote from: Purge on December 17, 2007, 08:22:29 PM

it's not like old exams were never stolen before computers were around. Roll Eyes

I'd say its a matter of administration; create a structure that is locked down. Why was the kid able to install firefox? What about using domain policies to enforce app availability?

Pay to have your network to be set up and administered properly ONCE, and then teachers are just a different level user and not a systems admin.

It's not like you have your race-car driver hopping out of the car at pit to help change the tires.

A better question might be, "Why wasn't firefox the default browser?" :-)
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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2007, 08:46:04 PM »

Because Firefox has terrible security, and terrible memory leak issues.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2007, 12:17:55 AM »

Apparently it was a hoax.
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2007, 12:19:58 AM »

sounds like someone got to him.  Remember kids: don't trust old people!!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2007, 12:50:40 AM »

Anyone else still just think of the movie and not the browser?
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2007, 01:27:07 AM »

Quote from: Simon on December 18, 2007, 12:50:40 AM

Anyone else still just think of the movie and not the browser?

Oh man, the book rocked!  I read that and the sequel (Firefox Down) a few years ago.
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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2007, 02:37:16 AM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 18, 2007, 01:27:07 AM

Quote from: Simon on December 18, 2007, 12:50:40 AM

Anyone else still just think of the movie and not the browser?

Oh man, the book rocked!  I read that and the sequel (Firefox Down) a few years ago.



awesome movie.  I never realized they wrote a sequel.
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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2007, 06:22:48 AM »

Yeah, it was really neat.  The book ended the same way as the movie, with Gant shooting down the planes sent after him.  But the sequel picks up right after that: Firefox is losing fuel really fast.  During the firefight, some shrapnel damaged a fuel line.  So Gant gains altitude and tries to conserve fuel, and starts realizing he isn't going to make it to his landing point in England.
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2007, 02:00:57 PM »

You must think in Russian.
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2007, 05:36:49 PM »

I remember doing a lot of things on computers in high school that we weren't supposed to do. It was all stuff that really should have been easy for the network admin to block, but I guess the guy just didn't know what he was doing.

We used to use winpopup to chat between computers in different classrooms. One person who had an hour as an office aid could be chatting to people in Advanced Computer Apps or any other class where every student had a computer. This was despite us being informed of the computer policy that doing any kind of messaging over the school network would result in a suspension.

It never stopped anyone and our teachers were so clueless you could just hide the taskbar and they never knew what you had running.

I'll never forget the girl next to me getting caught on the internet one day because she jerked her hands over to her mouse to close IE as quickly as she could, causing the teacher to hurry and lurch forward before she got it closed. She then asked me how I had switched to the other window without using mine. I told her, then she told everyone else. After that day if you went to the back of the class to use the printer and looked forward you almost never saw Word or Excel on the screen because everyone knew they could switch without getting caught. I was a hero in that class for the rest of the year.

It backfired later though, when people started asking me about every computer problem ever.
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2007, 05:56:31 PM »

You're bringing back memories of good old Phoenix on the HP-48G calculators.

Good times, good times.
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2007, 06:04:09 PM »

Did you just tell them to alt-tab?  I always kind of wished there was a "boss key" which would minimize all your windows.
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2007, 07:10:54 PM »

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Did you just tell them to alt-tab?

Exactly.
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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2007, 03:22:08 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Wonser on December 18, 2007, 12:17:55 AM

Apparently it was a hoax.

The school says it's a hoax, but I hear cover up to attempt to evade lawsuit
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