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« on: April 13, 2010, 10:17:45 PM »

The news broke today. I'm not a fan. I don't think he can pull a movie of that magnitude, but his fan(boys) will surely be happy.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 10:18:20 PM »

I'm a fan of his work, but I'm not sure it's a good fit. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 10:20:30 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 10:24:56 PM »

Even Joss said he didn't think he was a good fit for Avengers.  He's more of an X-Men guy (something about the pain of the characters).  I'm still flumoxed that he's not doing the Runaways movie.

Regardless, this is big for Joss, so I'm psyched.  I have confidence in him enough to think he'll be able to pull off something entertaining.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 10:41:12 PM »

"in final negotiations" does not mean that a deal is done.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 10:53:29 PM »

Why do I suddenly have this fear the movie will now revolve around the Wasp and she'll be wise cracking constantly and able to kick ass far better than anyone else on the team?
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2010, 11:13:24 PM »

At first i thought he was directing The Avengers ala Steed and Emma Peel....which made no sense to me.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2010, 11:17:22 PM »

Sounds good to me.  Then again I'm big fan so I guess that makes me a fanboy or whatever. 
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 11:43:10 PM »

Quote from: Jaddison on April 13, 2010, 11:13:24 PM

At first i thought he was directing The Avengers ala Steed and Emma Peel....which made no sense to me.

Actually, that would make total sense to me.  It'd be more Emma than Steed, but awesome!
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 11:45:21 PM »

Hopefully Nathan Fillion would be involved in some way.  He needs to do more stuff.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2010, 11:54:31 PM »

Quote from: SkyLander on April 13, 2010, 11:45:21 PM

Hopefully Nathan Fillion would be involved in some way.  He needs to do more stuff.

he could be Ant Man, and Elisha Dushku could be the Wasp.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 01:43:24 AM »

Or Captain Hammer.  slywink

Gotta agree that Joss, from his previous works, isn't quite strong at doing that style of ensemble cast, but that an X-Men style ensemble would be better for him.

Still, this could be an opportunity for him to branch out, and we know he's already good at making movies that appeal to The Avenger's fan base.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 02:43:23 AM »

Fan of Joss Whedon's work, but don't give a crap about The Avengers.

Guess this means no Buffy/Firefly/new TV show for a looong time.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 03:48:51 AM »

Quote from: ravenvii on April 14, 2010, 02:43:23 AM

Fan of Joss Whedon's work, but don't give a crap about The Avengers.

Guess this means no Buffy/Firefox/new TV show for a looong time.

You mean Firefly Truthiness! Heretic.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 12:20:47 PM »

Avengers: The Musical?

I'd be so IN for that.
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2010, 02:23:40 PM »

Quote from: sgoldj on April 14, 2010, 12:20:47 PM

Avengers: The Musical?

I'd be so IN for that.

I cannot wait for the Hulk's rendition of 'It's not easy being green' and 'Somewhere out there'.
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2010, 05:24:48 PM »

I don't know whether this will work on a critical or box-office level, but I know that:

A) I love everything Whedon has done
B) The Avengers is my favorite comic book

so the likelihood is strong that this film will please ME. And since I'm the only one that matters (to me), it's all good.
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2010, 05:44:56 PM »

I'm not a big Whedon junkie (although I am one of the few souls who did buy a movie ticket to see Serenity in theaters), but I think folks gotta stop basing expectations on past films.

I didn't think the director of Memento made any sense for Batman, but now I can't see anyone else directing the franchise. I didn't see the director of the Evil Dead movies as making any sense at all for Spider-Man, but now I'm one of those people upset he's been taken off the franchise in favor of a "reboot."

Whedon loves comic books and geeks and Comic-con. Whether he's a good fit or not, I'm sure he'll bring passion and a sense of fun, and be a terrific goodwill ambassador for the film. And while it's a sad testament to Hollywood that most of his work has not been box office or ratings gold, maybe finally getting to work on something that's a major financial hit (and not just a "cult hit") would give him the financial pull to do some of the things fans want but bean counters don't right now (Serenity followup, Buffy movie, whatever).

I enjoy Nathan Fillion on Castle, and in interviews he's always giving props to Whedon and it's clear he would do any project the guy needed him on. So if he needed him for an Avengers movie, I bet he'd be there in a flash.  icon_smile
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2010, 05:53:07 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 13, 2010, 11:43:10 PM

Quote from: Jaddison on April 13, 2010, 11:13:24 PM

At first i thought he was directing The Avengers ala Steed and Emma Peel....which made no sense to me.

Actually, that would make total sense to me.  It'd be more Emma than Steed, but awesome!


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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2010, 05:58:21 PM »

Joss' forte is dialog within an ensemble.  i'm not sure if he can pull of a blockbuster of this magnitude considering the amount of non-verbal action that has to take place, but i do remind folks that he's tackled some pretty big action-y stuff in his numerous comic books.  if he can translate that to the big screen without sacrificing his attention to detail when it comes to character interaction, he may just pull it off with honors.
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2010, 06:12:33 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on April 14, 2010, 05:58:21 PM

Joss' forte is dialog within an ensemble.  i'm not sure if he can pull of a blockbuster of this magnitude considering the amount of non-verbal action that has to take place, but i do remind folks that he's tackled some pretty big action-y stuff in his numerous comic books.  if he can translate that to the big screen without sacrificing his attention to detail when it comes to character interaction, he may just pull it off with honors.

I'm actually quite fond of his directing.  His use of the camera is quite smart considering TV constraints and one of his strongest works doesn't have any dialogue for about 80% of its running time (Hush), and his strongest work (The Body) almost completely eschews his normal snappy dialogue style and uses completely different shot and editing techniques than typically featured on the show. 
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2010, 06:27:09 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 14, 2010, 05:53:07 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 13, 2010, 11:43:10 PM

Quote from: Jaddison on April 13, 2010, 11:13:24 PM

At first i thought he was directing The Avengers ala Steed and Emma Peel....which made no sense to me.

Actually, that would make total sense to me.  It'd be more Emma than Steed, but awesome!


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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 07:06:12 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on April 14, 2010, 06:12:33 PM

 His use of the camera is quite smart considering TV constraints and one of his strongest works doesn't have any dialogue for about 80% of its running time (Hush),

I'm a fan, don't get me wrong.  But what seems quite smart on a tv show might not translate that well to a blockbuster, big screen film.  As for Hush (a great episode, no doubt), the action was still very much a low key tv version.  

As an aside, I also fear that some directors NEED the constraints of a budget to keep them clever.  My prime example is Kurt Wimmer.  He made a fantastically fun film with Equilibrium.  Then he got a much larger budget for the follow up film, Ultraviolet and just choked (IMHO).  I think he's becoming more comfortable with the freedom he has with larger films, though.  But that first foray into (relative) freedom when making a film really hurt his creativity and cleverness.
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2010, 07:54:06 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on April 14, 2010, 07:06:12 PM

I'm a fan, don't get me wrong.  But what seems quite smart on a tv show might not translate that well to a blockbuster, big screen film.  As for Hush (a great episode, no doubt), the action was still very much a low key tv version. 

I don't know, I think he has a very smart eye for composition and how to position multiple people inside a frame and keep it interesting which is essential when shooting an ensemble.  That's especially challenging when doing it it inside the same sets day in and day out.  I also like that he has a tendency for long takes with dynamic camera movement during those takes which is something that not enough directors do anymore IMO.

But I'm not really referring to his ability to direct action necessarily but his visual chops in general.  When people discuss Whedon it's almost always his dialogue and writing but I'm more of a fan of his directorial work and I think he has shown tremendous diversity in that area. 

I realize that I'll get crucified for saying this, but I find Whedon's use of the camera on Buffy, Angel, and Firefly far more visually interesting than anything Favreau did in Iron Man.  Favreau seems to have a very good touch with the actors but I find him utterly pedestrian from a visual standpoint. 
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 11:04:14 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 14, 2010, 06:27:09 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 14, 2010, 05:53:07 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 13, 2010, 11:43:10 PM

Quote from: Jaddison on April 13, 2010, 11:13:24 PM

At first i thought he was directing The Avengers ala Steed and Emma Peel....which made no sense to me.

Actually, that would make total sense to me.  It'd be more Emma than Steed, but awesome!


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Ah, yes.  I forgot how comparable Jeremiah S. Chechik is to Joss Whedon.


i don't give two butt cheeks of a Frog who directs it,i never want to see a film version of this Avengers again..it could be Guillermo Del Toro,Peter Jackson or Ridley Scott...i don't care i would be out at the first mention of it...on par for worse film ever and a remake/retake of it wont help matters.and you should be struck down by Sir August De Wynters disgust weather machine Roll Eyes for mentioning it Tongue


however,this Avengers film that started the thread...that sounds like its gonna be a fun film if they can get everyone involved icon_biggrin
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2010, 11:30:37 PM »

Maybe it will be a musical Avengers smile
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2010, 12:19:55 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on April 14, 2010, 11:30:37 PM

Maybe it will be a musical Avengers smile

I would watch that
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2010, 01:39:56 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on April 14, 2010, 11:30:37 PM

Maybe it will be a musical Avengers smile

a little late  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2010, 04:23:11 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 14, 2010, 11:04:14 PM



i don't give two butt cheeks of a Frog who directs it,

why are you walking around with multiple frog butt cheeks?  isn't one enough?  and why frogs?  would any reptile or mammal do?  or does it have to be frogs for some particular reason?  
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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2010, 05:13:48 PM »

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Quote from: metallicorphan on April 14, 2010, 11:04:14 PM



i don't give two butt cheeks of a Frog who directs it,

why are you walking around with multiple frog butt cheeks?  isn't one enough?  and why frogs?  would any reptile or mammal do?  or does it have to be frogs for some particular reason? 

It's capitalized - perhaps he's referring to Kaeru from Chrono Trigger.
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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2010, 05:45:54 PM »

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Quote from: hepcat on April 15, 2010, 04:23:11 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on April 14, 2010, 11:04:14 PM



i don't give two butt cheeks of a Frog who directs it,

why are you walking around with multiple frog butt cheeks?  isn't one enough?  and why frogs?  would any reptile or mammal do?  or does it have to be frogs for some particular reason? 

It's capitalized - perhaps he's referring to Kaeru from Chrono Trigger.


maybe i meant 'Kermit The....and i don't give 'em,because i don't have 'em Tongue
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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2010, 06:37:27 PM »

mo, you get that the Avengers movie was a bungled attempt to remake an awesome TV show.  A new movie would not be a remake of the old movie.  It would be unrelated and hopefully not bungled.  And probably no French people's bottoms would be involved.
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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2010, 09:30:10 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 15, 2010, 06:37:27 PM

mo, you get that the Avengers movie was a bungled attempt to remake an awesome TV show.  A new movie would not be a remake of the old movie.  It would be unrelated and hopefully not bungled.  And probably no French people's bottoms would be involved.


and what happens if the same happens again?huh,huh!!!,can you really put up with the guilt of wanting another movie?,could you stand with chest out and back straight that you made a mistake by wanting another attempt on the subject?..are you honestly sure you want to take that risk again???..are you?...ARE YOU????? saywhat icon_eek

although seeing Uma Thurman in a cat suit was no bad thing icon_twisted...but this was the start of the downfall of the great Sir Sean Connery,which eventually led to his retirement(although First Knight didn't help things)...i think he made one good(decent) movie after that one(Finding Forrester),and then came 'A league of Extraordinary Gentlemen' which continued the work of The Avengers and destroyed everything...R.I.P.Sean Connery...and Sean....i don't like those 'Greener Banking' commercials you do!!

anyway,i always liked these 'Avengers' better anyway,looking forward to the film Tongue
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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2010, 09:35:24 PM »

I've always thought the best part of The Avengers movie was when Sean Connery showed up in the bear costume.
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I've always thought the best part of The Avengers movie was when Sean Connery showed up in the bear costume.

we've talked about this before.  sometimes you mistake things you see in your head with things you see in real life. 
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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2010, 09:42:35 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on April 15, 2010, 09:39:34 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 15, 2010, 09:35:24 PM

I've always thought the best part of The Avengers movie was when Sean Connery showed up in the bear costume.

we've talked about this before.  sometimes you mistake things you see in your head with things you see in real life. 

no, that was real!  it was Ralph Fiennes crawling out of Uma Thurman's hoo hoo that I imagined!
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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2010, 05:38:29 PM »

Sir Sean's Lordly beating the shit out of his wife might have been a factor in his plummet, too.

The risk of a crappy movie that next to no one will remember years down the road versus a good one by a director who would get it is worth it to me.  I feel the same way about Speed Racer.  There's a damned good movie in there, and I'm still waiting for it.
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2010, 05:41:34 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 18, 2010, 05:38:29 PM

I feel the same way about Speed Racer.  There's a damned good movie in there, and I'm still waiting for it.

why?  it came out a couple of years ago.  you can Netflix it now too  icon_mrgreen
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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2010, 12:40:38 PM »

Pure conjecture on the lineup.  I have not googled or know anything about internet leaked plans.

1) Cap
2) Thor
3) Black Widow
4) War Machine


Villian : Hulk under the influence of the Leader.


Why?  re: War Machine - Spoiler from Iron Man 2

        Minimize introductions to keep story moving. Put Wasp or Giant Man in there, too much time to take up.  Natasha Romanoff has been established as a field operative and working with Fury on the Avengers Initiative.


I don't believe that is a spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen Iron Man 2.

For future reference, where is the SPOILER tag?
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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2010, 02:10:25 PM »

Quote from: sgoldj on May 10, 2010, 12:40:38 PM

For future reference, where is the SPOILER tag?

Code:
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it's also the button but I don't think it shows up in the black forum style.
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