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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2013, 06:49:49 PM »

"10%" in. So far really enjoying it.
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2013, 05:02:24 PM »

50% in.

Love how he does character development.  Almost every character is memorable.

This was a great recommend.
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2013, 11:52:32 AM »

Finished book 1. Loved it from start to finish.

I wouldn't say he's as 'good' a writer as Martin, but the characters are all excellent.

Gonna wait a bit to read the next one so I don't blow through the series too fast.

Great recommendation. Great read.
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2013, 01:08:11 PM »

As far as he is compared to Martin, he doesn't expect you to keep track of 130 characters and he doesn't give you 1,000 pages that are an obligation to read rather than a pleasure.  The story isn't as deep, but it's just a damn fun read that is very satisfying once complete. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2013, 05:16:00 PM »

Quote from: McNutt on July 22, 2013, 01:08:11 PM

As far as he is compared to Martin, he doesn't expect you to keep track of 130 characters and he doesn't give you 1,000 pages that are an obligation to read rather than a pleasure.  The story isn't as deep, but it's just a damn fun read that is very satisfying once complete. 


And he finished his series, unlike Martin who hopefully will live long enough to finish his.
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2013, 09:28:22 PM »

Martin's story and world is so vast and contains so many characters that it can't really be complete.  You can't really wrap that up.  It's sort of like wrapping up the story of England.  Eventually you just have to come to a stopping point, like a history class that ends at Cromwell.  I have a feeling that's how Game of Throne will end, with lots of characters just going about with whomever happens to be king or queen at the end of the book and lots of ways it could still be continued, but no big finale. 

Abercrombie did a fantastic job of wrapping up his story in three books and I was really impressed with the way he ended that journey. 
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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2013, 09:30:01 PM »

Quote from: McNutt on July 22, 2013, 09:28:22 PM

Martin's story and world is so vast and contains so many characters that it can't really be complete.  You can't really wrap that up. 

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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2013, 10:38:49 PM »

Quote from: McNutt on July 22, 2013, 09:28:22 PM

Martin's story and world is so vast and contains so many characters that it can't really be complete.  

Metal Gear Solid 4 says hello.

If Koljima could wrap up that craziness in one game, then Martin can do it in a book.
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« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2013, 02:30:47 PM »

Thank you for this recommendation. The trilogy was incredible. Now I am working my way through the three stand alone novels. The thing I appreciate the most is how he writes individual fight and larger battle scenes. He really captures the fog of war and how often battles turn into complete chaos.
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2013, 12:40:05 AM »

Finished the 2nd book. Good story progression, but not as well written as the first.

Everyone is grinning, hissing, gawping or ... One of my pet peeves is the repeated use of the same word over and over and over again.  SO MANY words in the english language...pick some new ones.  Or use the same ones, but not ever 3 pages or even on the same daggon page.

First book 5/5
Second 4/5
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« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2013, 01:57:31 AM »

I really preferred his stand alone novels to the trilogy, "Best Served Cold" being my favorite.
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2013, 07:24:54 AM »

Quote from: WorkingMike on December 01, 2013, 01:57:31 AM

I really preferred his stand alone novels to the trilogy, "Best Served Cold" being my favorite.

For me personally it was the other way around. The trilogy has a more epic story, whereas the stand alone novels often feature a far smaller / personal scale. They're all really good, but I felt the combination of the epic storyline and the great individual characters in the trilogy to be a superb match.

I could see Tarantino filming this series, with Mickey Rourke - see The Wrestler - as Ninefingers.
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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2013, 08:45:03 AM »

There is a lot of potential for movies here, but it also depends on the actors I think. His books are based on strong characterizations and it takes strong actors to push that through.

I love pretty much all his books, and mostly for his memorable characters. Glotka of course comes to mind as someone who is REALLY well done. I also really like how the characters are used throughout all his books, both as major and minor characters, and sometimes from others viewpoints. Interesting stuff. Heroes springs to mind here, as one of his strongest books I think. So damn great.
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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2013, 05:48:24 PM »

I loved the trilogy but I do think the first book is the strongest of the three. Maybe because the characters are new and so you just soak it all in and as the story progresses you start to expect things.

I have all the stand alone books but have only read one so far. Best Served Cold was very good.
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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2013, 07:04:38 PM »

Please read Heroes. So damn good!
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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2013, 08:10:25 PM »

Just finished book three:

Book One: 5/5
Book Two: 4/5
Book Three: 5/5


Can someone recommend to me the order to read the standalone novels? I don't want to look them up for fear of spoilers.

Thanks for the recommend Crux.
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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2013, 08:20:22 PM »

1) best served cold
2) The heroes
3) red country

You should read them in that order too, there are quite a few references in all of them.
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« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2014, 02:44:50 PM »

Finished Best Served Cold last night.

Very much enjoyed it. While I think the character development is better in the original trilogy, I found the writing in this book better.

5/5.
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« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2014, 05:44:38 AM »

Finished the heroes.  This is abercrombie's masterpiece.

5/5
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« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2014, 12:32:43 AM »

Closed it out with Red Country.  3/5. Weakest of the 6 books.

Not that anyone who was involved in this thread is around anymore..
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« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2014, 01:25:45 AM »

I just started Half a King, so far so good.
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« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2014, 07:54:14 AM »

Quote from: ATB on December 18, 2014, 12:32:43 AM

Closed it out with Red Country.  3/5. Weakest of the 6 books.

Not that anyone who was involved in this thread is around anymore..

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Well, I thought Red Country was fine. I liked the returning character a lot, but overall the story was indeed a bit weak. The world in those books is so unfair though. It's cold, and muddy, and full of cheaters and killers, with just a few rays of light. This makes the books a bit exhausting to read sometimes, especially the Heroes. That's why I found the original trilogy the best: the added epicness and grandeur helps offset this bleak world.
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« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2014, 12:59:56 PM »

Quote from: The Rocketman on December 18, 2014, 07:54:14 AM

Well, I thought Red Country was fine. I liked the returning character a lot, but overall the story was indeed a bit weak. The world in those books is so unfair though.


Yes. I was really excited upon the first hint of that character's return, but it just didn't come together the way that I was hoping.


My favorite part was:  

Spoiler for Hiden:
The fight with Glama Golden.  He's only in the book for a short period of time, but it was enough to already begin relating to him- and that's what Abercrombie does best, write real characters. You get one perspective from one character and then when he switches the focus to the actual character the complexities and layers of who they really are come into view.  It was also neat to hear the voice of a character on the receiving end of the Bloody Nine


Second favorite part was:

Spoiler for Hiden:
Caul Shivers letting Lamb go.  He finally was able to be a better man.


Quote from: The Rocketman on December 18, 2014, 07:54:14 AM

It's cold, and muddy, and full of cheaters and killers, with just a few rays of light. This makes the books a bit exhausting to read sometimes, especially the Heroes.

Abercrombie has become one of my favorite authors for his ability write real characters and have them express real emotions, doubts, and fears.  There are no supermen in his books.  Also, the amazing ways he shifts the focus of the story onto background players yet still keeps it riveting and real.  So many potential characters to explore!

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That's why I found the original trilogy the best: the added epicness and grandeur helps offset this bleak world.

I can see that, but there's so much Bayaz and I simply hate him. HATE him.
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« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2014, 01:06:20 PM »

Obligatory, what should I read next post.  I'm at a loss as to what to read next. I want to hold off on Abercrombie's new series for now...
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« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2014, 03:12:51 PM »

Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy is on sale on Amazon for about $5 right now.
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« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2014, 04:34:19 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on December 18, 2014, 03:12:51 PM

Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy is on sale on Amazon for about $5 right now.

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That sounds pretty good.  I haven't read First Law other than The Heroes based on recommendations that it was a good standalone book, but I really enjoyed it. 
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« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2014, 01:16:48 PM »

Quote from: ATB on December 18, 2014, 12:32:43 AM

Closed it out with Red Country.  3/5. Weakest of the 6 books.

Not that anyone who was involved in this thread is around anymore..

I've had Red Country sitting on my nightstand for months, and have just never gotten around to reading it.  One of my goals is to read more next year instead of watching shows on Netflix at night, and that will be one of the first ones I tackle.
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« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2014, 03:06:19 PM »

Quote from: ATB on December 18, 2014, 01:06:20 PM

Obligatory, what should I read next post.  I'm at a loss as to what to read next. I want to hold off on Abercrombie's new series for now...

Have you read Chronicles of the Black Company?   That seems to be a series a lot of people missed that really sort of kicked off the dark gritty fantasy as seen in Abercrombie's books.
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« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2014, 12:39:26 PM »

Quote from: ATB on December 18, 2014, 01:06:20 PM

Obligatory, what should I read next post.  I'm at a loss as to what to read next. I want to hold off on Abercrombie's new series for now...

I still read here occasionally :-)

Anyways, here is what you should read next. Malazan Book of the fallen - a ten book series about a world every bit as brutal and gritty and with unique characters.

linki: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55399.Gardens_of_the_Moon

There is only one unfortunate caveat, and that is that you probably won't understand half of whats going on through your reading of the first book. Stick with it, and read the second as well, and you'll go "AAaaaahhhh!" and then the wonderful world of Bridgeburners, Ascendants, fallen gods, betrayals, darkets romances, deepest desires and kindest gods open up to you like nothing I've ever read before.

I can't stress strongly enough though, that you have to get through the first book.
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« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2014, 02:48:37 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on December 21, 2014, 12:39:26 PM

Quote from: ATB on December 18, 2014, 01:06:20 PM

Obligatory, what should I read next post.  I'm at a loss as to what to read next. I want to hold off on Abercrombie's new series for now...

I still read here occasionally :-)

Anyways, here is what you should read next. Malazan Book of the fallen - a ten book series about a world every bit as brutal and gritty and with unique characters.

linki: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55399.Gardens_of_the_Moon

There is only one unfortunate caveat, and that is that you probably won't understand half of whats going on through your reading of the first book. Stick with it, and read the second as well, and you'll go "AAaaaahhhh!" and then the wonderful world of Bridgeburners, Ascendants, fallen gods, betrayals, darkets romances, deepest desires and kindest gods open up to you like nothing I've ever read before.

I can't stress strongly enough though, that you have to get through the first book.

I'll be the dissenting voice in this one.  While I appreciate what he is trying to do in creating a dark complex world, I absolutely hated these books.  I took everyone's advice and kept going even though I was completely lost and wasn't really enjoying them, and finally just threw my hands up about 3/4 the way through book two because I had no idea what the hell was going on.  Creating a complex world is fine.  Doing so through flat-out shitty storytelling, however, means I'm not going to have the patience to stick with you.  Reading these books and trying to put the disparate pieces together felt like work...not exactly what I'm looking for in a book.

I'd recommend that you steer clear of these, unless you have the patience of a saint and simply enjoy being lost.  YMMV.
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« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2014, 04:11:10 PM »

Its fine that you don't like the books, but saying its shitty storytelling is kinda you being a twatt, or whatever its called.
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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2014, 04:32:21 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on December 21, 2014, 04:11:10 PM

Its fine that you don't like the books, but saying its shitty storytelling is kinda you being a twatt, or whatever its called.

Um...ok.

I do think that series has shitty storytelling, and you obviously didn't.  Just a difference of opinion, not sure what is twat-worthy about that.
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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2014, 05:25:41 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2014, 04:32:21 PM

Quote from: Razgon on December 21, 2014, 04:11:10 PM

Its fine that you don't like the books, but saying its shitty storytelling is kinda you being a twatt, or whatever its called.

Um...ok.

I do think that series has shitty storytelling, and you obviously didn't.  Just a difference of opinion, not sure what is twat-worthy about that.

Writing is a craft. If a carpenter makes a chair, and you don't like the chair - do you call it shitty carpentry, or do you say you don't like the chair, according to your own sensibilities?

Steven Erikson is guilty of many things in his writing , but not knowing his craft is certainly not one of them.
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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2014, 06:10:48 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on December 21, 2014, 05:25:41 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2014, 04:32:21 PM

Quote from: Razgon on December 21, 2014, 04:11:10 PM

Its fine that you don't like the books, but saying its shitty storytelling is kinda you being a twatt, or whatever its called.

Um...ok.

I do think that series has shitty storytelling, and you obviously didn't.  Just a difference of opinion, not sure what is twat-worthy about that.

Writing is a craft. If a carpenter makes a chair, and you don't like the chair - do you call it shitty carpentry, or do you say you don't like the chair, according to your own sensibilities?

Steven Erikson is guilty of many things in his writing , but not knowing his craft is certainly not one of them.

I spent the bulk of my time with the first two books just trying to figure out what the hell was going on.  This exercise finally became so frustrating that I simply gave up.  So Erikson did a great job of creating a very interesting world with compelling characters, then made it so difficult to try and piece together what was actually happening that I felt it wasn't work the effort.  In my mind, that is pretty much the definition of failing entirely as a storyteller.

And for the record, I really wanted to like that series.  So much so that I read the first book twice in the hopes that it would make more sense the second time around.
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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2014, 06:20:18 PM »

I think the last re-read would have been better spent reading book 3, but I understand where your frustration is coming from. I'm actually currently re-reading the first book, and loving it, but of course thats because I have the entire series as backdrop and not going into it dark now. It IS frustrating to tell people to read this great series, but then knowing they'll most likely have a hard time reading the first book.

As for the second book, I think it makes a lot more sense, and can easily be understood, but that of course, is opinion. I still think its worth it, for the huge universe that opens up.

Erikson's friend, Ian Cameron Esslemont, has written a series that is happening alongside the series, and perhaps the first one, Night of Knives could be read first since it relates directly to events happening in the first book, and maybe even make the series make a lot more sense.

Anyways - thanks for engaging with me in good faith here, even if my first reply certainly was a bit...curt.
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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2014, 07:41:07 PM »

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