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« Reply #240 on: December 03, 2015, 04:30:41 PM »

Again don't follow link if you don't want to be spoiled

The Major Reveals From the Batman v Superman Trailer
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« Reply #241 on: December 03, 2015, 05:20:18 PM »

Quote from: Scraper on December 03, 2015, 03:51:30 PM

Isenberg looked even worse than I imagined. He's not supposed to be playing a psychotic batvillain, He's supposed to be playing Lex Luthor. Luthor is an ego-maniacal super genius, not some insane clown. This movie is going to be terrible.

I really thought he was going for a Joker thing at one point.

Look, I think I get where they're going with Luthor here.  They're trying to modernize him and make him the new kind of billionaire.  A Zuckerberg type.  And for that reason, Eisenberg is an inspired choice.  This might even have been a good change, if there weren't so many other awful character-shifting ones.  And if Eisenberg had played it right.

To me, this is like what they did with Moriarty on Sherlock.  I seem to be in the minority with hating that interpretation, but they turned him into a buffoon when he needs to be cool and manipulative.

Same goes for Luthor.

I'm sure his ridiculous behavior at the party is just a front (though it's still poorly performed), but the rest of the trailer seems to imply that he's still not going to be the calculating, cool villain he should be.

I just don't get the thought process behind these movies.  The idea that we should throw out everything from the past, whether it worked or not, change the core of these characters to the point where they are no longer really the characters anymore and then make it darker.
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« Reply #242 on: December 04, 2015, 01:23:59 AM »

(Shrugs) I am definitely not a comic book nerd. Ever since I was older than 12 I have found superman to be the dullest hero out there. My dream for this movie would be for batman to kill the shit out of him. I have no idea if this movie will be awesome or terrible, but I think every trailer or teaser I have seen looks great.
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« Reply #243 on: January 13, 2016, 04:38:06 PM »

Batman V. Superman May Be Getting Yet Another Major Supervillain

Spoiler for Hiden:
Okay. You know how Doomsday is obviously going to tussle with DC’s main three heroes in Batman V. Superman? And remember how it’s rumored that Lex Luthor will also be getting into the action? Well, according to Latino Review, Bizarro will also debut, and he’ll be introduced as a future threat in the Justice League movie.

I actually buy this rumor because in DC’s New 52 comics, Bizarro is a failed clone of Superman created by Lex Luthor. If movie Lex tried to turn one Kryptonian (Zod) into an instrument of destruction, and if Superman beats Doomsday at the end of BvS, it stands to reason that Lex would want to try again. Maybe he’ll be grabbing some of that Superman blood Batman seems so intent on spilling.

That said, adding Bizarro to all the other DC heroes and villains getting packed in the film does seem kind of insane. Honestly, I’m getting worried that Batman and Superman won’t have much time to V each other at all.
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« Reply #244 on: January 13, 2016, 05:27:27 PM »

Quote from: farley2k on January 13, 2016, 04:38:06 PM

Batman V. Superman May Be Getting Yet Another Major Supervillain

Spoiler for Hiden:
Okay. You know how Doomsday is obviously going to tussle with DC’s main three heroes in Batman V. Superman? And remember how it’s rumored that Lex Luthor will also be getting into the action? Well, according to Latino Review, Bizarro will also debut, and he’ll be introduced as a future threat in the Justice League movie.

I actually buy this rumor because in DC’s New 52 comics, Bizarro is a failed clone of Superman created by Lex Luthor. If movie Lex tried to turn one Kryptonian (Zod) into an instrument of destruction, and if Superman beats Doomsday at the end of BvS, it stands to reason that Lex would want to try again. Maybe he’ll be grabbing some of that Superman blood Batman seems so intent on spilling.

That said, adding Bizarro to all the other DC heroes and villains getting packed in the film does seem kind of insane. Honestly, I’m getting worried that Batman and Superman won’t have much time to V each other at all.

Spoiler for Hiden:
That was Bizarro's story in the John Byrne reboot way back in the 80s.
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« Reply #245 on: January 17, 2016, 12:23:12 AM »

I hope I am proven wrong but I am definitely in the Luther seems terrible camp so far.
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« Reply #247 on: February 29, 2016, 02:24:02 PM »

This clip really doesn't make me hopeful.  It just looks silly.

https://youtu.be/EZ8LOOinEYw
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« Reply #248 on: February 29, 2016, 02:46:42 PM »

This bit from the Jimmy Kimmel show however was hilarious.

https://youtu.be/0Y8iRvQdSGA
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« Reply #249 on: March 22, 2016, 07:38:09 PM »

In honor of the release this week

Honest Trailers - Superman and Batman

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« Reply #250 on: March 23, 2016, 07:36:02 PM »

Rotten tomatoes average is not looking good. Ready for another DC reboot?

Oh, and Deadshot sure has changed over time.
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« Reply #251 on: March 28, 2016, 06:25:58 PM »

No comments?

I gave it a B.  I found a lot of the story too long/bloated, too forced to be "dark," and fairly convoluted.  The worst part was Jesse Eisenberg was as irritating as some of you feared, and even now I don't recall what his motivation was aside from being crazy.  He seemed to be playing Lex Jokerthor, and really not doing a great job of it.  Big fail.  (And this is coming from a fan of the actor.)

I really think they missed a great opportunity for an interesting Superman-focused story, and most of the stuff with him in it I really enjoyed.  Henry Cavill is a really good Superman IMHO.  Batfleck, not so much.  (Also that Fatman suit seemed as bloated as some of the extra storylines).

All that said, Wonder Woman was a breath of fresh air, and hints at Flash and Cyborg were fun.  The big action sequences paid off for the most part, and visually it was all pretty rewarding.  In spite of the critics reviews, it seems like audiences were happy with it, mine even had applause at the end.

But never fear, if you thought the 2 1/2 hours was bloated, there's going to be an even longer "director's cut" coming to Blu-Ray, hooray!!
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« Reply #252 on: March 28, 2016, 07:27:06 PM »

My kids and I will be seeing it Tuesday and I honestly don't expect much.  It seems like it will have good fights, and not much else. 

Oh well. 
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« Reply #253 on: March 28, 2016, 08:11:06 PM »

I was hoping to go Friday because I kind of suspected that if I didn't, I wouldn't bother seeing it at all.
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« Reply #254 on: March 28, 2016, 09:18:06 PM »

Zach Snyder has become the next Michael Bay. Visual director who has no discipline in his craft and no one telling him how to reign things in. Just make movies that are bigger, louder, longer and darker. Movies written around big action set pieces instead of creating a cohesive competent story first.

That being said, the average movie viewer eats this kind of stuff up.
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« Reply #255 on: March 28, 2016, 09:23:44 PM »

There is a reason we have 4 transformers movies.
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« Reply #256 on: March 28, 2016, 09:37:26 PM »

Michael Bay and Zach Snyder should do a movie together. It would be three hours of nothing but slow motion explosions in 3D.
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« Reply #257 on: March 29, 2016, 05:25:59 AM »

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on March 28, 2016, 09:18:06 PM

Zach Snyder has become the next Michael Bay. Visual director who has no discipline in his craft and no one telling him how to reign things in. Just make movies that are bigger, louder, longer and darker. Movies written around big action set pieces instead of creating a cohesive competent story first.

That being said, the average movie viewer eats this kind of stuff up.

Well, more importantly, the international movie goer eats this stuff up.

Don't kid yourself, the suits don't give a shit how these movies do here.  They're dumbing these things down on purpose.  Less dialogue=less to get lost in translation.
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« Reply #258 on: March 29, 2016, 01:26:39 PM »

My wife and I saw it over the weekend and overall enjoyed it...
I agree with a lot of people who felt Lex was mis-cast. I like Jesse, but this wasn't a role for him. I don't blame him though, because on top of this, I don't think that the role was written too well. It did come across as Luthorjokery... Luthor is supposed to be intelligent and cunning, not a nut job...
I also felt like they crammed too many different movies into one and it wasn't needed. Bats and Supes did not need to start off as adversaries.. they could have worked to that over a few different movies.
I thought that Affleck did fine as Bats and Wayne. My wife wasn't a fan, but for some reason she's not a fan of him in general except partially in Dogma.
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« Reply #259 on: March 29, 2016, 05:04:37 PM »

Just saw this and will be adding some stuff to my Netflix queue


5 Animated DC Comic Movies That Are Better Than ‘Batman v Superman’

“Justice League: War”

“Justice League: Throne Of Atlantis”

“Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox”

“Son of Batman”

“The Dark Knight Returns”
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« Reply #260 on: March 29, 2016, 05:34:26 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 29, 2016, 05:25:59 AM

Don't kid yourself, the suits don't give a shit how these movies do here.  They're dumbing these things down on purpose.  Less dialogue=less to get lost in translation.

I don't think that was the problem with this movie.  It wasn't dumbed down so much as bloated up.  As Punisher said it was more like they tried to mesh 3 movies into one.      Introduction to Justice League.  Death of Superman.  Batman vs. Superman.  Any one of these would have made a strong movie on its own, but they clearly wanted to jumpstart the franchise to compete with Marvel.  Should be interesting to see if the strategy pays off for them over the long haul.  Personally I'm enjoying the DC TV series universe(s) more than these endlessly "dark" movies.
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« Reply #261 on: March 29, 2016, 08:29:06 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on March 29, 2016, 05:34:26 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 29, 2016, 05:25:59 AM

Don't kid yourself, the suits don't give a shit how these movies do here.  They're dumbing these things down on purpose.  Less dialogue=less to get lost in translation.
I don't think that was the problem with this movie.  It wasn't dumbed down so much as bloated up.  As Punisher said it was more like they tried to mesh 3 movies into one.      Introduction to Justice League.  Death of Superman.  Batman vs. Superman.  Any one of these would have made a strong movie on its own, but they clearly wanted to jumpstart the franchise to compete with Marvel.  Should be interesting to see if the strategy pays off for them over the long haul.  Personally I'm enjoying the DC TV series universe(s) more than these endlessly "dark" movies.
This^^
The problem is they jumped right to Captain America Civil War and are working their way backwards. which doesn't make sense. Civil War will have an impact because we saw how they all grew together.
Even the Dark Knight series was well after they had worked together. Too much, too soon and a horrible Lex Luthor...
They could have just had a doomsday movie and still found a reason for batman and wonder woman to be in it...
or even a small confrontation in the beginning with bats and supes.
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« Reply #262 on: March 30, 2016, 01:17:02 AM »

Caveat: Not seen this movie yet, take,the comments for what they're worth.

It's no secret that I think more highly of the animated films over the live action movies (separated from the tv universe(s)).

Certainly Justice League: War had a good enough conflict between Superman and Batman along with the League that made a good introduction to the characters without the building that Civil War ( or Dark Knight Returns) called for. So, there is a story there that could be done, I wish this movie was it.

As far as the animated movies/shows go: pretty sure there is more than 5 that beat out this live action film.
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« Reply #263 on: March 30, 2016, 03:05:25 PM »

Quote from: farley2k on March 28, 2016, 07:27:06 PM

My kids and I will be seeing it Tuesday and I honestly don't expect much.  It seems like it will have good fights, and not much else. 

Oh well. 

After showing them a few reviews and talking about it we decided to see Zootopia again.  It was just as good the second time and I certainly don't regret not seeing BvS.
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« Reply #264 on: April 01, 2016, 05:27:00 AM »

I have not seen the movie either (nor do I plan on doing so), but apparently from talking to friends who did, this comparison is rather solid:

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« Reply #265 on: April 06, 2016, 05:23:11 PM »

Warner Bros. Is in Such Denial Over Batman v Superman

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Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, “we’re not going to take a movie that’s supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else.”

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If your brain is having trouble parsing what is happening here—which is understandable, because this is mind-blowingly insane—Warner Bros. recognizes there are problems with Batman v Superman, and will take the time to figure out what those problems are...

...and then they will do nothing to fix them.
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« Reply #266 on: April 06, 2016, 05:32:00 PM »

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Warner Bros. Is in Such Denial Over Batman v Superman

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Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, “we’re not going to take a movie that’s supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else.”

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If your brain is having trouble parsing what is happening here—which is understandable, because this is mind-blowingly insane—Warner Bros. recognizes there are problems with Batman v Superman, and will take the time to figure out what those problems are...

...and then they will do nothing to fix them.

I read that article, too, but I think WB is just trying to say they're not going to just make another Avengers with DC characters instead of saying they're not going to fix anything.  They wouldn't be going over what went wrong if they weren't planning to keep things from going wrong again.
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« Reply #267 on: April 11, 2016, 12:21:05 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2016, 05:32:00 PM

Quote from: farley2k on April 06, 2016, 05:23:11 PM

Warner Bros. Is in Such Denial Over Batman v Superman

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Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, “we’re not going to take a movie that’s supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else.”

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If your brain is having trouble parsing what is happening here—which is understandable, because this is mind-blowingly insane—Warner Bros. recognizes there are problems with Batman v Superman, and will take the time to figure out what those problems are...

...and then they will do nothing to fix them.

I read that article, too, but I think WB is just trying to say they're not going to just make another Avengers with DC characters instead of saying they're not going to fix anything.  They wouldn't be going over what went wrong if they weren't planning to keep things from going wrong again.

This is the same studio where

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Warner Bros. executives were convinced they had the goods with BvS and were shocked when negative reviews began pouring in.


Like you I am hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
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« Reply #268 on: April 12, 2016, 02:51:06 AM »

Quote from: raydude on April 11, 2016, 12:21:05 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on April 06, 2016, 05:32:00 PM

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Warner Bros. Is in Such Denial Over Batman v Superman

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Now, with DC movies dated through 2020, the outcome has led to a flurry of rumors that the studio will make adjustments — maybe add a new producer? — rather than allow BvS director Zack Snyder to proceed with the two-part Justice League. But sources with firsthand knowledge of the situation say the studio has no such plans. One says the filmmakers naturally will evaluate what went wrong with BvS, but when it comes to Justice League, “we’re not going to take a movie that’s supposed to be one thing and turn it into a copycat of something else.”

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If your brain is having trouble parsing what is happening here—which is understandable, because this is mind-blowingly insane—Warner Bros. recognizes there are problems with Batman v Superman, and will take the time to figure out what those problems are...

...and then they will do nothing to fix them.

I read that article, too, but I think WB is just trying to say they're not going to just make another Avengers with DC characters instead of saying they're not going to fix anything.  They wouldn't be going over what went wrong if they weren't planning to keep things from going wrong again.

This is the same studio where

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Like you I am hoping for the best but fearing the worst.


See, I had been hearing reports for months where inside sources said WB knew they had a turd on their hands and were very busy trying to spin it with marketing.

I do not believe they thought this was a winner at any stage. They certainly had numerous screenings and there's little chance any of the screening surveys came back positive.
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« Reply #269 on: April 21, 2016, 08:06:09 PM »

Finally saw this today.

Goddammit.

Not only did they not learn anything from the wrong direction they took Superman in, they ruined Batman, too. 

They kept talking about the red S needing to mean something in the movie, as though it was a point the audience missed instead of the film makers.  Superman needs to be a beacon of hope (and on a side note, we need that), not this muddied bullshit. 

And there's, like, one rule Batman has.  No guns.  He was firing guns all over the place in this.  In his hands, in the Batmobile, in the Batwing.  WTF?!  Plus, they made him so easily manipulated?  No.  He got off a little better than Supes, but come on.

Wonder Woman was as good as anticipated, though I could have used more of her.  She seemed about right, but that's probably because they didn't let her do much.

And Lex Luthor?  No.  Just no.  He said so many meaningless, nonsense, "look how crazy I am" things.  And his plan was stupid.  Not turn-Metropolis-into-Krypton stupid, but stupid.  Why did he even bother trying to get his tiny shipment approved?  Was a man with private jets and ships and gazillions of dollars really not able to get a tiny hunk of rock into the country?  And why did he want Batman dead?  What was the point of that?  Was it because he stole the kryptonite?  But that didn't happen until right before, and the plan had been in motion for two years.  Maybe Bats stealing the kryptonite was part of the plan.  But how was he going to get Superman to fight him anyway?  He'd only just found out his identity a brief time before (does everyone need to know who he is, BTW?  Also, why was that info in the Kryptonian ship anyway?  Why would they have that?).  Also, why did he call Darkseid (assuming that's the bell he was nonsensically talking about at the end)?  And why did they let Jesse Eisenberg play him to begin with?  Terrible.

And the ring.  Who the hell sends and expensive ring like that through the mail?  And no box?  Just a loose ring in an envelope?   And why even send it home in the first place?  What was the point?  To propose, sure, but why not just have it with him?  The ring may seem like a stupid thing to get hung up on, but it's a perfect example of the bullshit they threw into this movie without putting any thought into it.

Why did the entire Metropolis staff of Wayne Enterprises sit inside a building, watching all the other buildings come tumbling down around them until they got the all-clear from the boss?  Why did that one guy stay?   Also, lucky the streets were empty enough for Bruce to zip around through. 

And then they found Martha in about three seconds.  If she was so easy to find, why the hell did they even bother with the fighting in the first place?  Also, Clark was clearly there to talk.  He said as much to Lois.  And yet, he punched Batman first and started wailing on him.

And how the hell does Perry White not know how to write a headline?!

There were little, tiny moments that worked.  Wonder Woman, as mentioned.  The way Martha showed Bats they had a connection.  A lot of scenes with Amy Adams.

But, holy shit, what a tragedy.
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« Reply #270 on: April 21, 2016, 08:14:23 PM »

I have not seen it yet, but based on your impressions I get the sense that a lot of significant story elements got edited out. The disc/digital release of the movie is supposed to include about 30 minutes of additional footage so maybe a lot of the disconnected or disjointed aspects of the story will make more sense in the extended version.

Or it may not make a difference and it's still all about Zach Snyder's inability to reign in his fanboy nature of letting things get out of control. paranoid
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« Reply #271 on: April 21, 2016, 08:18:12 PM »

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on April 21, 2016, 08:14:23 PM

I have not seen it yet, but based on your impressions I get the sense that a lot of significant story elements got edited out. The disc/digital release of the movie is supposed to include about 30 minutes of additional footage so maybe a lot of the disconnected or disjointed aspects of the story will make more sense in the extended version.

Or it may not make a difference and it's still all about Zach Snyder's inability to reign in his fanboy nature of letting things get out of control. paranoid

Some of it could be missing story elements, but mostly it's just missing the fucking point of the characters.

Also, there's no way in hell I'm sitting through 30 more minutes of that.
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« Reply #272 on: April 21, 2016, 09:05:46 PM »

http://www.pvponline.com/news/batman-v-superman

I thought that pretty much summed up stuff for me. I think what he was talking about with Superman is pretty spot on.
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« Reply #273 on: April 21, 2016, 11:25:27 PM »

Quote from: SkyLander on April 21, 2016, 09:05:46 PM

http://www.pvponline.com/news/batman-v-superman

I thought that pretty much summed up stuff for me. I think what he was talking about with Superman is pretty spot on.

He lost me when he said "Lex was great. Don't believe the critics."

I agree that they seem to want Supes as an antagonist, but that just means they don't get him. They shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near this property.

I also don't think there were as many great moments in there as he thinks.
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« Reply #274 on: April 21, 2016, 11:58:02 PM »

I guess everyone sees what they want to see.  Personally Superman was my favorite part of the movie, particularly the (sadly few) Clark Kent moments.  (On a side note, this is by far the sexiest Clark that's ever been on screen.  That bathtub scene was worth the price of admission!  For sheer adorable-ness I'd go with Brandon Routh, but for overall attractiveness, it's Henry Cavill.)

As I mentioned before, I would have much preferred a full Superman movie delving into the "Superman as God" motif, and seeing how he does or doesn't understand the way people react to him.  And then maybe have that all lead up to the Death of Superman Doomsday stuff.  Also I like what someone earlier had mentioned about keeping Superman as a beacon of hope.  (Incidentally they covered a lot of these themes, though a bit cheesily, in the Supergirl TV series.)
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« Reply #275 on: April 22, 2016, 12:28:19 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on April 21, 2016, 11:58:02 PM

I guess everyone sees what they want to see.  Personally Superman was my favorite part of the movie, particularly the (sadly few) Clark Kent moments.  (On a side note, this is by far the sexiest Clark that's ever been on screen.  That bathtub scene was worth the price of admission!  For sheer adorable-ness I'd go with Brandon Routh, but for overall attractiveness, it's Henry Cavill.)

As I mentioned before, I would have much preferred a full Superman movie delving into the "Superman as God" motif, and seeing how he does or doesn't understand the way people react to him.  And then maybe have that all lead up to the Death of Superman Doomsday stuff.  Also I like what someone earlier had mentioned about keeping Superman as a beacon of hope.  (Incidentally they covered a lot of these themes, though a bit cheesily, in the Supergirl TV series.)

Supergirl is definitely handling this stuff better, IMO.
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« Reply #276 on: May 10, 2016, 05:36:29 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on March 29, 2016, 05:34:26 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 29, 2016, 05:25:59 AM

Don't kid yourself, the suits don't give a shit how these movies do here.  They're dumbing these things down on purpose.  Less dialogue=less to get lost in translation.

I don't think that was the problem with this movie.  It wasn't dumbed down so much as bloated up.  As Punisher said it was more like they tried to mesh 3 movies into one.      Introduction to Justice League.  Death of Superman.  Batman vs. Superman.  Any one of these would have made a strong movie on its own, but they clearly wanted to jumpstart the franchise to compete with Marvel.  Should be interesting to see if the strategy pays off for them over the long haul.  Personally I'm enjoying the DC TV series universe(s) more than these endlessly "dark" movies.

It's interesting that I tried to make excuses for this movie doing too much, but then along comes Civil War which essentially does very similar things, and MORE, but just does them successfully.  Establishment of the conflict, tie ins to the whole suite of Marvel movies' lore, individual character "origin" issues, plus introduction of not one but TWO major new characters in the universe. 

Speaking of which why is there no Civil War thread? 
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« Reply #277 on: May 16, 2016, 06:07:58 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on May 10, 2016, 05:36:29 PM

Quote from: rittchard on March 29, 2016, 05:34:26 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 29, 2016, 05:25:59 AM

Don't kid yourself, the suits don't give a shit how these movies do here.  They're dumbing these things down on purpose.  Less dialogue=less to get lost in translation.

I don't think that was the problem with this movie.  It wasn't dumbed down so much as bloated up.  As Punisher said it was more like they tried to mesh 3 movies into one.      Introduction to Justice League.  Death of Superman.  Batman vs. Superman.  Any one of these would have made a strong movie on its own, but they clearly wanted to jumpstart the franchise to compete with Marvel.  Should be interesting to see if the strategy pays off for them over the long haul.  Personally I'm enjoying the DC TV series universe(s) more than these endlessly "dark" movies.

It's interesting that I tried to make excuses for this movie doing too much, but then along comes Civil War which essentially does very similar things, and MORE, but just does them successfully.  Establishment of the conflict, tie ins to the whole suite of Marvel movies' lore, individual character "origin" issues, plus introduction of not one but TWO major new characters in the universe.  

Speaking of which why is there no Civil War thread?  

I just mentioned the same thing about the themes Civil War pulled off that BvS failed to achieve in the Cap thread.

The problem with these recent DC movies vs the Marvel ones boils down to respect for the source material, IMO.

Even with changes from the comic for Civil War, they are usually made with a nod to what came before and at least capture the spirit of the story.

Man of Steel threw out everything that worked about Superman.  I've gone on about this before, of course, how he's not a beacon of hope any more, etc.  It would be one thing if that was done to draw parallels to our increasingly xenophobic world view, so that Superman was the same good guy as always, but society didn't trust him, but Superman himself wasn't sure he should be out there saving the world.  It seems Supes doesn't even like himself, which is a crime.

And with the latest travesty, it again strays away without a reason to do so.  Specifics aside (like Lex goddamned Luthor), Batman is not the character who gets bent out of shape when someone takes the law into his own hands.  

Traditionally, when Bats and Supes have a throwdown, it's because Bats has gone a little too far and Superman comes for him.  Now, being who he is, Superman doesn't come to kick his ass.  That would be ridiculous and result in a splotch of Batgoo on the pavement.  But being who he is, Batman knows what's coming and gets ready for him.  Spectacular fight ensues where the incredibly underpowered underdog actually has a chance of winning.  Because Batman.

In the midst of all that, you could weave incredible subtext about power and vigilantism and corruption.  And it would work.  It has worked.  So, if it worked, why the hell did they throw it away to make something different?!  

Argh.  This movie makes me angrier and angrier the more I think about it.  Gotta keep thinking of Wonder Woman...
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