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« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2013, 02:52:15 AM »

I'd like a separate sub forum for main site posts as they would pop up in the "new unread posts" category, and that is my homepage here.  I do go to the articles now and again, but generally when it's posted in the threads I am already reading. 

I did buy tapatalk, and it's definitely helped with content when I'm mobile. I surf mobile more than I do at my PC unless I'm looking for something while gaming.  GT is a bit of a pain though.  I would love to have a better mobile site.  It you go to CAG, that is a great example of a mobile site.  Fast loading, clean interface that works very well on a phone, and the page requires no horizontal scrolling. 

I consider this site my home online, and when I register other accounts, add "GT" to my username.  My Steam account is named this way.  When it came time that I couldn't keep up with both GT and OO, I chose here. 

Any way, enough gushing.  I'd like to see a more mobile friendly site, links to articles in a sub forum when there isn't a topic on it already, and single kind of regular programming that fits the vision of the site. 

Otherwise, I'm pretty happy calling this place home and you all as friends.
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« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2013, 03:29:51 AM »

Yeah, if you read a site like MacRumors, all the comment links on the articles redirect to a post on the forums, so you get automatic forum traffic and visibility between both parts of the site.
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« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2013, 03:33:40 AM »

Funny thing - I had suggested that there be a section for front-news-posts and each article kicks off a thread in the forum backend.

There were ... objections by others. I see value in "posts / editorials", "posts / news", etc.

I do agree that there has been less topics to comment on, which by virtue of a forum, means less talking in general. I like the idea of having front-end news report into the forum - it sounds like Mike and Ron have something cooking.
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« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2013, 05:20:26 AM »

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I think we have had that discussion not that long ago? As others have pointed out as well, others do what GT does, and unfortunately to my mind, better. If you are asking why, I do think it has to do with, as I also mentioned previously, to me the frontpage has no soul whatsoever. Its just a mashing of news articles that I can find anywhere on the net. Granted, most of the reason is just that I started viewing RPS a while ago, and that has just stuck. I find that they are quite good journalists whose writing I really like, but then again, I actually havent read a frontpage on GT in over a year.
I'm confused how you can say that folks are doing it better when you've not read what we've done for a year?   We've run articles, top 10 lists, and have a lot of new stuff in store, but if folks are happy to pack up and shrug off the front page, then what's the point of this forum? 

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As I also mentioned sometime ago in another post, GT has become another of the 7-10 score sites, where you pretty much never go below a 7 in reviewing a game, and thats a shame, since the scale is 1-10! I know last time you responded you thought you had a 60 something somewhere, but hey, thats not the point. The point is the scoring doesn't matter when you do it like this - its just noise without any meaningful disctinction. (EDIT: Ha, I just saw the two 60+ reviews on the frontpage now!)
  We have one review that's 11% out of 100%.  Our average review score over 2000+ reviews is around 79%, backed up by some quick math checks of my own and that of the aggregation sites out there.  I applaud the 1-10 folks, but that's not how we built our scale.  If all you want is a number, I think you've missed the point of the review.  We put a lot of time, personality, and effort into our reviews, but it seems like some folks want a number, the pros and cons, and that's it.   Again, it's hard to see 'personality' if you don't read below the fold. 

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As I also pointed out, I have no idea what GT stands for right now, if anything.  For lack of better words, to me the site's frontpage lacks personality, so I never go there.
What personality is missing?  I don't let our editors turn into snarky assholes like I see for most of the sites out there as I expect more from journalism in general.  I don't know what else we can get on the front page to get folks to read, but hell, if coverage of indie games, coverage of dlc, coverage of the AAA titles, videos, podcasts, and editorials won't do it I might as well just pack up and quit. 

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Looking at the posting stats though, it doesnt look good. 2500 posts vs 5000 last years december? The forum activity IS declining.
The forums are being unified with the front page, so hopefully he deluge of traffic there offsets the decline in the forums.  I know old GG'ers were used to Rich not updating for months at a time so they didn't bother with the front page, but I can't understand why folks don't realize that's not how things have ever worked here. 
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« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2013, 05:23:42 AM »

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I  would like to address this as I had actually had a very similar opinion of the site.  I would be in the habit of hitting the front page real quick, skimming and seeing just one or two announcements a day and jumping right to the forums.  I the last few weeks however, I have seen LOTS more content being posted.  We still have the standard announcements, but serveral new opinion pieces are showing up on a regular basis now. Even the announcement fluff sounds like there's more personality being written into them.  If this continues, I can see this easily turning into a site that I read rather than skim.
I appreciate that you've noticed.  We are changing things and moving in some new directions in 2013 - I wish folks from in here would take a moment and see.

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As for the forums, I wouldn't bother worrying about them really.  The front page is where the money is made and that's where the time and effort needs to be focused.  My only suggestion would be integration between the forums and the comment system.  Needing a separate account sucks, and having them tie together might draw more new people into the forums.
  Yep, agreed.  The bridge software out there sucks, so we are changing things up completely.   It's in testing, but it'll be a unified account when we are done. 

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Finally, a personal note of appreciation for the extra work going into the site lately; I at least have noticed and am enjoying it. Keep it up guys!
  Again, thanks.  We are trying. 
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« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2013, 05:30:36 AM »

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Today, I follow GiantBomb because I knew of Jeff Gerstmann and trusted his reviews. When he left Gamespot over Gerstmanngate, I went with him and never went back to Gamespot.  When Ryan Davis jumped ship I was ecstatic because he was probably my favorite of the GS personalities + he and Jeff  have great chemistry and have been friends for years.  Ditto Vinny Caravella (and to a lesser degree Brad).  I liked Patrick from his days on 1up, but he's probably my least favorite of that core crew though as a news guy he's pretty brilliant.
  I still get a corporate shilly-ness to those guys you've mentioned, but it's cool you've got a group you enjoy listening to. 

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I think I bought four to five  games last year, but I did not miss a single Bombcast. Why? Because I care about the guys doing it. Also, I think GB is one of the neatest fully featured sites on the web. That said, I hardly ever post on their forums...
Have you checked our Podcast out?   We've revived it and I think you'll find something to like there.  Jeff has been doing a great job, as have his guests. 

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For me it's all about personality and getting attached to the owners of the site and their unique voice...and I don't know much about KD or Fool or as Razgon says 'what they stand for'.
  How do I overcome this?  What can I do to bring you guys personality?  Mike and I did some podcasts for quite a while but after getting a lot of people listening and literally 0 feedback, we shelved it for a bit until just recently.  Again...any suggestion how we can help us to understand what we stand for?

We do have an 'about us' section, but that doesn't give you a large window into things.  I know pretty much everything there is to know about games, gaming, and this industry - get me talking and you'll figure that out pretty quickly.  I've been doing this stuff longer than most of the people I see at these press events have been alive.   How do I convey that info to you guys? 
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« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2013, 05:32:23 AM »

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I haven't seen this I don't think. I don't recall anyone ever running anyone who's new off...

We've never run anyone off (except Zeke, who deserved it Tongue), but I think it's tough for new folks to get integrated into an established community of grizzled old fogies.  This forum also trends significantly older than the standard gamer demographic, which is frankly one of the reasons I still post here (same with OO).

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There's Tapatalk, but it's not ideal on my old phone.

Speaking of Tapatalk, I refuse to visit GT on my phone any more because I get three separate Tapatalk popups every time I navigate to a new page.  It's annoying as hell, and keeps me away from GT when I'm mobile.

For the record, I don't even really know what Tapatalk does, but on principle I'm not going to pay $3 for an app just to get rid of pop-up windows.  I'll just not post instead.  /grumpy old man mode off

New system won't require Tapatalk - it'll be native for mobile.  Tapatalk is just the usual wrapper / bridge nonsense that works about half as good as you might like it to.  smile
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« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2013, 05:38:04 AM »

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Don't think of us as your customers; think of us as your poker buddies.  As people mentioned earlier, this community has been around for just about 15 years.  Most of us were here when GT was Console Gold, and even before that.  We're your poker buddies who want to have a drink with you every week and want your entrepreneurial endeavor to succeed, even if we aren't always the ones to step into your store and buy something. 

Here's the thing, though.  We decided to be your poker buddies.  When the LaPorte Event happened, some people landed at OO and some landed here.  Sure, a lot of people maintained a presence at both, but I think even those people generally had one place they thought of as their primary place.  There's something about the way you ran your site and your forum that makes the people that are here prefer it to OO, Qt3, GwJ, or umpteen other places they could go.
That's a major point of pride for me, to be sure.  I appreciate that very much. 

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Sadly, the forums have quieted down over the years.  Some people move on just because their life shifted their time away for gaming, others moved on to other forums either because they found a better match for their personality, or because they wanted someplace more active.  For the latter reason, it snowballs a bit because the more people who leave because of forum inactivity the more inactive it gets.

For me personally, GT is still the first forum I click on when I sit down to do some foruming.  It's still my favorite forum on the citadel.  But sadly, it's too inactive for me.  People aren't always talking about the games or topics I want to talk about.  When I or someone else writes up a post about something and get no replies, it's disheartening.  It takes time to write something out, and if nobody is reading it, what's the point?  But there are still discussions that do get some steam behind them here, and that's why I keep coming here first.

But back to the forum & front page divide.  Who is your target audience?  I don't think it's us, and it doesn't necessarily have to be.  Mike said that front page traffic is climbing, so you are resonating with some audience.  If you do want us forumers to be your target audience, I think you need to shift the focus of the main site.  But then you might lose those other viewers you're gaining.
*nod*  I completely agree with the points you've addressed.  We've got some new approaches and some tech that should unify these audiences.  In trying to make a more 'mature' gaming space, we've pushed off the 4chan crowd.  I'm fine with not having a bunch of leet-speaking assholes, but I don't want this place to start developing tumbleweeds....
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Honestly, for the front page, you gotta pick your vision for the site and run with it.  Do you want it to be a be-all site like IGN?  Do you want it to be filled with articles and investigative journalism like PA Report?  Pick a vision, make a mission statement, whatever it takes.  When you get questions in your head like "Should we run this article on this porn game?" you shouldn't have to look to us for the answer.  Does it fit with the site vision & direction, yes or no?  That answer should be clear.
Yep.  We've been meeting and talking frequently about the vision and direction for the site's vision and direction.  I think you'll find that things are a changing pretty quickly.

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To wrap up this wall of text, here's an idea for helping forum health.  You've got us Gone Gold guys, and you've got your new blood going to the main site.  These are two different groups.  So how about structuring the forum to support two different groups?  Have the main area of the forum be for the new blood, have articles and reviews link to that area, and give your new readership a place to coalesce and talk.  For us?  Give us the VIP lounge in the back to keep on talking like old friends.  Let the new people develop their own forum culture.  Maybe us old people contribute to the new blood discussions, maybe we invite some new people over to the VIP lounge. 
I can't tip my hand on the larger plan, but I'm doing something similar to what you are talking about.   If it pays off, this place might get very busy over the next year.
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« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2013, 05:40:19 AM »

Quote from: Dante Rising on January 17, 2013, 09:03:49 PM

I've certainly noticed the decline in forum traffic. as mentioned by others, I post less now because topics I would create or join we're getting fewer and fewer responses.

The bottom line is there really is nothing else the administrators and moderators of this site can do to increase traffic by any significant margin. GT is well designed, easy to navigate, and a ton of content gets posted. It is up to the forum veterans to make a commitment to the site and simply BEGIN POSTING MORE. A dozen more truly active people with good personalities can make a huge difference in the atmosphere of a forum.  I'll do my best to become one of the "dirty dozen"!

Having said that, I'm glad Gaming Trend isn't like Neogaf. I hate reading 15 pages of one or two word posts to get to the three or four interesting comments in a topic.




I appreciate that very, very much.   I would carry on conversations with all of you guys every day if people posted more.   I consider you all my friends and I miss being able to engage you guys on the hobby/jobby that I love so much.
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« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2013, 05:41:30 AM »

Quote from: Teggy on January 17, 2013, 09:20:48 PM

I think you should change the name back to Console Gold. No?

Could some of the post drop be due to all those Cloudfire issues? I still find the forum down at times.

The cloudfire stuff, funny enough, was caused by the forum.  The forum had a bug that, despite paying professionals to find it, I ended up discovering on accident.  You'll notice that the cloudfire stuff has stopped happening and things are generally speedy and crash-free now.  smile
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« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2013, 05:42:13 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on January 17, 2013, 10:09:37 PM

fwiw, while I'm still posting now and then about movies and TV shows, I'm really just not gaming much these days beyond some simple puzzle things on iOS. I've sort of given up on MMOs, and that's mostly what I've been excitedly posting here about over the years, along with Diablo-type games.

I don't know if it's so much age (I'm 47), as much as having been gaming as long as I have (since late 1992, I'd say), you just see certain genres and game types done over and over and over and over and over and over and over... and eventually it's just tough to get excited about any games on any platform.

I've joked that I really need that memory-eraser gizmo from the MIB movies. Just wipe out my historical knowledge of gaming on all platforms, and just be able to feel excited about the industry today.

I hate how I feel about gaming now. I want to feel as excited as I was in just about any year in the 1990s. I want to be as addicted I was to City of Heroes 2004-2006, or LOTRO 2007-2008, or even Star Trek Online for a time (2009) and SWTOR (for a much shorter period than I anticipated). I find a gem now and then on Steam, and only find my interest lasting a short period.

A year ago I was probably posting a dozen times a day about SWTOR. I loved being excited that much about a game and sharing that here. I would leave to feel that way again. I just don't.

Stay tuned on the movie thing....stay tuned. 
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« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2013, 05:42:49 AM »

Quote from: Ironrod on January 17, 2013, 11:24:45 PM

I stopped reading the gaming forum when you merged PC Gaming with consoles. I only buy about one game a year, though, so I'm not really much of a gamer anyway.

This forum is overwhelmingly sci-fi and superhero movies and tv, most of which don't interest me that much. I do still check in daily but rarely go into those threads.

I still enjoy the P&R forum for a daily dose of craziness and conflict. There's not much serious discussion, but it's entertaining anyway.

New blood would be welcome if you can figure out how to draw it.

I suspect PC and Console would split up again if there were more traffic.  Hint hint, nudge nudge. 
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« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2013, 05:43:30 AM »

Quote from: ATB on January 18, 2013, 01:01:42 AM

Quote from: Rumpy on January 17, 2013, 11:53:34 PM

And then there was one person who kept posting new threads with just links to articles around the net and nothing to describe them.

On an unrelated note, 9% of all posts since December have been Ceekay's.

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« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2013, 05:45:18 AM »

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Fresh blood will only make it more interesting and bring more posts and more comments...We need to entice folks to post as well to keep the place alive.

Not necessarily.   GT is a very unique and (imo) rare gaming community.  For the most part, we are mature, respectful, literate, knowledgable, etc.  That's not something you see every day, especially among a gamer crowd.

Been to most of the big gaming sites' forums lately?  I'd prefer we never need have to deal with sort of ridiculous fanboy bullshit here.

Right. But why are the oldheads no longer involved?

I've heard from a LOT of them more recently...they've packed up and quit gaming.  I can't wrap my head around ever quitting, so I just bid them goodbye and remind them that they are always welcome here and we look forward to seeing them for discussions on movies, music, books, exercise, and anything else they'd love to talk about with friends.   Some stick, some don't. 
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« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2013, 05:46:14 AM »

Quote from: Caine on January 18, 2013, 02:52:15 AM

I'd like a separate sub forum for main site posts as they would pop up in the "new unread posts" category, and that is my homepage here.  I do go to the articles now and again, but generally when it's posted in the threads I am already reading. 

I did buy tapatalk, and it's definitely helped with content when I'm mobile. I surf mobile more than I do at my PC unless I'm looking for something while gaming.  GT is a bit of a pain though.  I would love to have a better mobile site.  It you go to CAG, that is a great example of a mobile site.  Fast loading, clean interface that works very well on a phone, and the page requires no horizontal scrolling. 

I consider this site my home online, and when I register other accounts, add "GT" to my username.  My Steam account is named this way.  When it came time that I couldn't keep up with both GT and OO, I chose here. 

Any way, enough gushing.  I'd like to see a more mobile friendly site, links to articles in a sub forum when there isn't a topic on it already, and single kind of regular programming that fits the vision of the site. 

Otherwise, I'm pretty happy calling this place home and you all as friends.

Done!  It's in testing, and I think you'll like it.
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« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2013, 05:46:57 AM »

And now I've added 13 replies to this thread alone.   Maybe I just need to talk more.  slywink  hehehehe
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« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2013, 05:50:33 AM »

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And now I've added 13 replies to this thread alone.   Maybe I just need to talk more.  slywink  hehehehe

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« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2013, 06:00:15 AM »

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Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on January 18, 2013, 05:46:57 AM

And now I've added 13 replies to this thread alone.   Maybe I just need to talk more.  slywink  hehehehe

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« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2013, 07:09:35 AM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on January 18, 2013, 05:42:49 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 17, 2013, 11:24:45 PM

I stopped reading the gaming forum when you merged PC Gaming with consoles. I only buy about one game a year, though, so I'm not really much of a gamer anyway.

This forum is overwhelmingly sci-fi and superhero movies and tv, most of which don't interest me that much. I do still check in daily but rarely go into those threads.

I still enjoy the P&R forum for a daily dose of craziness and conflict. There's not much serious discussion, but it's entertaining anyway.

New blood would be welcome if you can figure out how to draw it.

I suspect PC and Console would split up again if there were more traffic.  Hint hint, nudge nudge. 


Aww,I've liked the merge
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« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2013, 07:14:56 AM »

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I think we have had that discussion not that long ago? As others have pointed out as well, others do what GT does, and unfortunately to my mind, better. If you are asking why, I do think it has to do with, as I also mentioned previously, to me the frontpage has no soul whatsoever. Its just a mashing of news articles that I can find anywhere on the net. Granted, most of the reason is just that I started viewing RPS a while ago, and that has just stuck. I find that they are quite good journalists whose writing I really like, but then again, I actually havent read a frontpage on GT in over a year.
I'm confused how you can say that folks are doing it better when you've not read what we've done for a year?   We've run articles, top 10 lists, and have a lot of new stuff in store, but if folks are happy to pack up and shrug off the front page, then what's the point of this forum?  

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As I also mentioned sometime ago in another post, GT has become another of the 7-10 score sites, where you pretty much never go below a 7 in reviewing a game, and thats a shame, since the scale is 1-10! I know last time you responded you thought you had a 60 something somewhere, but hey, thats not the point. The point is the scoring doesn't matter when you do it like this - its just noise without any meaningful disctinction. (EDIT: Ha, I just saw the two 60+ reviews on the frontpage now!)
 We have one review that's 11% out of 100%.  Our average review score over 2000+ reviews is around 79%, backed up by some quick math checks of my own and that of the aggregation sites out there.  I applaud the 1-10 folks, but that's not how we built our scale.  If all you want is a number, I think you've missed the point of the review.  We put a lot of time, personality, and effort into our reviews, but it seems like some folks want a number, the pros and cons, and that's it.   Again, it's hard to see 'personality' if you don't read below the fold.  

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As I also pointed out, I have no idea what GT stands for right now, if anything.  For lack of better words, to me the site's frontpage lacks personality, so I never go there.
What personality is missing?  I don't let our editors turn into snarky assholes like I see for most of the sites out there as I expect more from journalism in general.  I don't know what else we can get on the front page to get folks to read, but hell, if coverage of indie games, coverage of dlc, coverage of the AAA titles, videos, podcasts, and editorials won't do it I might as well just pack up and quit.  

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Looking at the posting stats though, it doesnt look good. 2500 posts vs 5000 last years december? The forum activity IS declining.
The forums are being unified with the front page, so hopefully he deluge of traffic there offsets the decline in the forums.  I know old GG'ers were used to Rich not updating for months at a time so they didn't bother with the front page, but I can't understand why folks don't realize that's not how things have ever worked here.  

Okay, lets take this one step at a time, then.

Reviews - I personally don't care about score, and you say that people apparently want a score? They don't - Look at how RPS works,which is a pretty successful site. They don't give scores out on their reviews. Now, I understand that if you want to be part of something like Metacritic, you have to have review scores, but that's the only reason I can think of. As for the 1-100, and 1-10, I think that's a discussion for another time, because clearly I'm not getting my point across.

Personality : Writing is hard. Take it from me, I've been working in sales and marketing for 13 years by now, and a its a golden truth that you have about 10 seconds to win over any costumer, be it by writing or talking. Since I read RPS a lot, I'll compare you guys to them. You have in your "About us" three people that all excel in technical areas, but not one journalist. That means, not one of you guys are, as far as I KNOW of course, trained in writing, and again - Writing is HARD! I've spent some time reading your reviews last night and this morning, and while its clear you care about what you do, its just not very interesting (to me) to read your writing. You don't show much personality from yourselves, or the site in the writing, and THAT is what I'm talking about. While its not uncommon for everyone to think they can write, its very few that actually can, so that it is both entertaining and understandable.
Now, you may think I'm bashing your site, but I'm not - I'm telling you my opinion based on many years both in gaming, and with a nod to my professional background, but - Your writing does not grab me.

Forum numbes/frontpage combination: I'll look forward to seeing how this will end up! More people can only be good.

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We've run articles, top 10 lists, and have a lot of new stuff in store, but if folks are happy to pack up and shrug off the front page, then what's the point of this forum?  
I think you are mistakenly mixing two groups there. The forumgoers and the frontpage viewers. Its been clear for some time, and repeated oft enough by others here, that these are largely not the same. If you only want the frontpage viewers in the forums, its going to be a lonely place.
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« Reply #100 on: January 18, 2013, 07:58:58 AM »

I've also drifted away recently I'm sorry to say. Like Ragzon says it's a vicious cycle-fewer people post which causes fewer people to post and so on. I spend most of my time at Quarter to Three and Broken Forum these days and a little bit at OO. There are so many interesting and varied topics going on over there. The GT off topic forums are practically 75% TV shows and the other 25% are movies. The answer is definitely getting new blood which would draw back a lot of the people who have drifted off (like me).  But how do you do that? I have NO idea!
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« Reply #101 on: January 18, 2013, 08:13:13 AM »

If you look at new registrations, the first page covers new registrations all the way back to June of last year and except for a few GT staff accounts basically ALL of the new registrations have zero or perhaps one post.  I'm sure the next couple of pages are probably like that as well.  Which means that not only has the registration rate been absolutely feeble for the past couple of years probably but 99% of the people registering are not even making a single post.
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« Reply #102 on: January 18, 2013, 01:15:53 PM »

I know I've said this in the past, but the merge of console/pc forums has cut back my time on the forums.  The fact of the matter is I have no interest in wading through console posts to find the PC posts, and honestly I don't have any other hobbies.  I don't watch movies, I listen to christian music which is generally ridiculed on forums so I don't talk about it, and other than that I have my family, and people really don't care to listen to me gush about my children.  As such my visits usually entail a 5 minute stop every now and again to see if there is any new D&D talk, and if anything catches my eye in Off Topic, but the posts are dominated by things I have no interest in (usually movies).

I have financially supported GT considerably in the past, as it has been an internet home for me for a very long time, but I will admit I do not read the front page, essentially because I don't read any gaming articles on any sites, it just isn't my thing.  I haven't read a game review in ages, and I almost never listen to podcasts.  So for me, as my forum usage declines it is essentially just phasing GT out of my browsing cycle.
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« Reply #103 on: January 18, 2013, 01:25:14 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on January 18, 2013, 01:33:27 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 18, 2013, 12:50:11 AM

Fresh blood will only make it more interesting and bring more posts and more comments...We need to entice folks to post as well to keep the place alive.

Not necessarily.   GT is a very unique and (imo) rare gaming community.  For the most part, we are mature, respectful, literate, knowledgable, etc.  That's not something you see every day, especially among a gamer crowd.

Been to most of the big gaming sites' forums lately?  I'd prefer we never need have to deal with sort of ridiculous fanboy bullshit here.

But we're setting the tone, and can continue to do so, I think.

The problem is being welcoming at the same time.  I totally get what WP is saying about us seeming too cliquey, and years of virtually hanging out together is going to do that (how many new folks are going to understand that CeeKay is a mindless robot, hell-bent on filling the internet?), but I've seen new folks make comments and be welcomed with open arms*.  I think we're plenty accepting of fresh blood.  We just need to let the new folks know that.

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« Reply #104 on: January 18, 2013, 01:25:24 PM »

As GT veterans, I think we can all try just a little bit more to create new topics and interesting things that happen in our lives.
Honestly, just like Caine has stated, GT is my online home. If it went away I wouldn't know what to do with myself haha smile
I've had the honor and pleasure of meeting some of my fellow GT friends in real life a few years back, and more recently Jarrodhk and I had a blast when he visited me here in Fort Benning. I've already bought my 4 day pass for GenCon this year so I can't wait to see Harkonis and hopefully more of you guys there.
Since retiring, I'm taking a whole year off just to relax, travel, and enjoy myself before l get too restless. So if there is anything I can do to help the community or staff, let me know.

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« Reply #105 on: January 18, 2013, 02:02:46 PM »

There is a definite downturn to the number of people playing mp console games with me from this site.  A shame since my pc is down and I can't game elsewhere.  I post in the BO2 thread, a very popular game by all counts, and it's the last post in the thread for a week until I post again.  Seems a bit odd.

It does seem that we are losing people in the forum community, maybe there is some trick to getting people who hang at the front end to join the forum community as well.

(and we need to see how many people we can get to Gencon this year! slywink )
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« Reply #106 on: January 18, 2013, 02:40:19 PM »

You know, it occurs to me that something the forum definitely needs is a Like feature.  I think this would prompt people to post more.  Just knowing that your comment or jibe or funny picture of a cat got someone's attention would make you feel less like you're posting in a void.

I got this idea looking in the "This is Fun" thread just now (though I've had the thought before).  I might like to say that some funny picture amused me (not that crazy catperson thing), but I wouldn't waste a whole post saying it.  Imagine if everyone did that.  You'd have a picture followed by 18 posts of people saying LOL or +1 or AFK or TLDR and then something from CeeKay.  But the effect of not posting anything is that someone puts something up that they found amusing, only to have virtual tumbleweeds and crickets follow it.

Having this function in place would increase the sense of community, I think.  It would also serve as a stepping stone for the lurking new folks to get their feet wet.  It's a lot easier to click a "Like" button than to put yourself out there with a whole response.
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« Reply #107 on: January 18, 2013, 02:49:13 PM »

That is a great idea! *like* :-)
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« Reply #108 on: January 18, 2013, 04:08:42 PM »

The CHUD forums use a positive reputation function, so people can do just that. They disabled the negative side, so to avoid the potential problems.
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« Reply #109 on: January 18, 2013, 04:16:54 PM »

The Penny Arcade forums added that functionality recently, too.  You have a choice to mark a post with "agree" or "awesome," with no negative choices other than "report post."  Seems to work well, and I like the idea of doing something here.  If someone makes a thread or a post with no responses, at least he can have some sense that the post is resonating with someone and not get discouraged.  You also cut down on empty "+1" posts, keeping the threads more filled with actual content.
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« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2013, 04:32:39 PM »

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The Penny Arcade forums added that functionality recently, too.  You have a choice to mark a post with "agree" or "awesome," with no negative choices other than "report post."  Seems to work well, and I like the idea of doing something here.  If someone makes a thread or a post with no responses, at least he can have some sense that the post is resonating with someone and not get discouraged.  You also cut down on empty "+1" posts, keeping the threads more filled with actual content.

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« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2013, 04:41:45 PM »

Side note:  Kudos for having each front page article show up in Facebook feeds.  I don't typically check the front page (I don't keep up with gaming news in general these days). For some reason though, seeing some of the articles pop up on FB gets me to click on them.  I've probably looked at more GT articles in the past couple weeks than I did in the past few months.
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« Reply #112 on: January 18, 2013, 05:07:21 PM »

Quote from: ATB on January 18, 2013, 02:19:08 AM

Quote from: Gratch on January 18, 2013, 01:33:27 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 18, 2013, 12:50:11 AM

Fresh blood will only make it more interesting and bring more posts and more comments...We need to entice folks to post as well to keep the place alive.

Not necessarily.   GT is a very unique and (imo) rare gaming community.  For the most part, we are mature, respectful, literate, knowledgable, etc.  That's not something you see every day, especially among a gamer crowd.

Been to most of the big gaming sites' forums lately?  I'd prefer we never need have to deal with sort of ridiculous fanboy bullshit here.

Right. But why are the oldheads no longer involved?

Frankly, I post less because there isn't a lot of stuff for me to post about.  My gaming, like others, has slowed down considerably and even then I didn't post a lot in those threads.  Interaction in Off-Topic for me requires new and interesting viewpoints to interact with, which we have a a dearth of.  Having the same interactions over and over again does not often motivate me to post. 
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« Reply #113 on: January 18, 2013, 05:23:50 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on January 18, 2013, 04:41:45 PM

Side note:  Kudos for having each front page article show up in Facebook feeds.  I don't typically check the front page (I don't keep up with gaming news in general these days). For some reason though, seeing some of the articles pop up on FB gets me to click on them.  I've probably looked at more GT articles in the past couple weeks than I did in the past few months.

Same here with me and twitter when I see a GT post that looks interesting in there and bounce over to the main page and read it. I would probably do more with Google+ Though since I've pretty much gravitated toward just using that.
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« Reply #114 on: January 18, 2013, 05:25:14 PM »

I think that continuing page loading issues have hurt the forums as well.  No other site I visit on the net loads as painfully slow as GT.  It seems everytime you try to get it under control it falls back to being slow, soon after.  Im not trying to smack you guys down for this, just pointing out the issue.  I bear with it because I like the community and have been around since the post GG days but new people may tend to get frustrated and move on since they have no ties to GT.
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« Reply #115 on: January 18, 2013, 07:42:46 PM »

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I think that continuing page loading issues have hurt the forums as well.  No other site I visit on the net loads as painfully slow as GT.  It seems everytime you try to get it under control it falls back to being slow, soon after.  Im not trying to smack you guys down for this, just pointing out the issue.  I bear with it because I like the community and have been around since the post GG days but new people may tend to get frustrated and move on since they have no ties to GT.

Well, we're currently testing new forum software, but I'm surprised you're still having trouble with page load. Can you post specific about your issues in the site feedback forum? Please include browser, OS, etc.

The only issue I know of at this time is some kind of navigation sluggishness in Chrome and Opera on PC, which I am still trying to investigate. I'd like to help troubleshoot your problems, but unless they are widespread and a bunch of people complain about them my visibility is limited to what we see ourselves until someone says something.
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« Reply #116 on: January 18, 2013, 08:06:08 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on January 18, 2013, 07:42:46 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on January 18, 2013, 05:25:14 PM

I think that continuing page loading issues have hurt the forums as well.  No other site I visit on the net loads as painfully slow as GT.  It seems everytime you try to get it under control it falls back to being slow, soon after.  Im not trying to smack you guys down for this, just pointing out the issue.  I bear with it because I like the community and have been around since the post GG days but new people may tend to get frustrated and move on since they have no ties to GT.

Well, we're currently testing new forum software, but I'm surprised you're still having trouble with page load. Can you post specific about your issues in the site feedback forum? Please include browser, OS, etc.

The only issue I know of at this time is some kind of navigation sluggishness in Chrome and Opera on PC, which I am still trying to investigate. I'd like to help troubleshoot your problems, but unless they are widespread and a bunch of people complain about them my visibility is limited to what we see ourselves until someone says something.

I'm using Chrome and have had no problems lately.
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« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2013, 08:35:02 PM »

I've seen a couple forums with a stickied "Hi, I'm new here" or "Introduce Yourself" thread.  I like that as a neutral way for someone to make a first introductory post.
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« Reply #118 on: January 18, 2013, 09:28:31 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 18, 2013, 08:06:08 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on January 18, 2013, 07:42:46 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on January 18, 2013, 05:25:14 PM

I think that continuing page loading issues have hurt the forums as well.  No other site I visit on the net loads as painfully slow as GT.  It seems everytime you try to get it under control it falls back to being slow, soon after.  Im not trying to smack you guys down for this, just pointing out the issue.  I bear with it because I like the community and have been around since the post GG days but new people may tend to get frustrated and move on since they have no ties to GT.

Well, we're currently testing new forum software, but I'm surprised you're still having trouble with page load. Can you post specific about your issues in the site feedback forum? Please include browser, OS, etc.

The only issue I know of at this time is some kind of navigation sluggishness in Chrome and Opera on PC, which I am still trying to investigate. I'd like to help troubleshoot your problems, but unless they are widespread and a bunch of people complain about them my visibility is limited to what we see ourselves until someone says something.

I'm using Chrome and have had no problems lately.

Pages loaded almost instantly for me in firefox until I turned off AdBlock Plus (doing my bit to be a good citizen). With ads enabled each page takes 3-5 seconds to load.
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« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2013, 12:37:46 AM »

Quote from: SkyLander on January 18, 2013, 05:23:50 PM

Quote from: Gratch on January 18, 2013, 04:41:45 PM

Side note:  Kudos for having each front page article show up in Facebook feeds.  I don't typically check the front page (I don't keep up with gaming news in general these days). For some reason though, seeing some of the articles pop up on FB gets me to click on them.  I've probably looked at more GT articles in the past couple weeks than I did in the past few months.

Same here with me and twitter when I see a GT post that looks interesting in there and bounce over to the main page and read it. I would probably do more with Google+ Though since I've pretty much gravitated toward just using that.

Unfortunately, Google hasn't opened up their API to allow automatic syndication like we've got in place for Facebook and Twitter. That may happen this year sometime, though, and we'll ramp our G+ presence up accordingly.
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