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« on: November 25, 2004, 09:37:53 AM »

I'm a Aussie and we are a very laid back easy going country and I'm getting the strong impression that since the elections you guys/gals in America are heading down some sort of purist route for want of a better word. Is this the case or is it just the usual media reporting the more outragouse stuff and giving a false imprssion

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2004, 02:15:55 PM »

America's not any more or less religious than it ever was.  It's just that the religious-right has a more vocal platform now, with Bush, a born-again Christian, as president.  

Don't worry - we're the same people we've always been.    smile
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2004, 02:21:43 PM »

Well, we're electing far too many Republicans for my taste, if that's what yer asking.    smile

Rather  I should say, we're electing too many conservatives IMHO.  

I was watching part of Scarborough COuntry last night and good ole Pat Robertson was hosting ( :roll: ), and the topic of discussion was 'Desperate Housewives'.  Of course the panel or 3 was 2 ultra-conservatives and one, well, not ultra-conservative.  Those 2 yokels said ABC should be fined for the audacity of showing DW in prime time.

Here's a tip: CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!  Or better yet, if you're so concerned about your kid's future, sit down with them and point out piecemeal why DW is the latest Sign of the Apocalypse.  Instead of simply bemoaning its lack of morality(which is BS as anyone who has ever watched the show knows), use it as a teaching tool.  Ah, but that requires actually spending time with your kids, and well who wants to do THAT?!




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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2004, 02:41:21 PM »

Too much religion and too many morals make jack a dumb boy.

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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2004, 03:20:50 PM »

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America's not any more or less religious than it ever was.  It's just that the religious-right has a more vocal platform now, with Bush, a born-again Christian, as president.


History lesson - most of our presidents have at least claimed to be "born-again Christians".  Bush is not an anomaly.

And Apollo - is there some reason a person can't be a Christian, yet "laid back easy going?"  That describes the majority of my friends - who happen to be Christians as well.  Try not to paint us with such a broad brush, kthxbai biggrin
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2004, 03:47:25 PM »

The country is becoming more conservative, but I wouldn't consider it any more religious than it normally is. Bush is a guy that stands up for what he believes and follows through on what he says, whether you agree with his position or not. As such, I think a lot of people have thought, "Holy crap! A politician isn't saying one thing and then doing another!! What the hell?!!?" slywink

I do, however, think the FCC and the MPAA are too organizations long past irrelevance. With so many choices now you can always change the channel. And if they're going to kick Desperate Housewives off the air, at least do so for the right reasons: The show is neither funny nor cool, and just gets off on squeezing as much T&A teasing as it can. Watch an episode of HBO's Real Sex and not only is the teasing better, but it's vastly funnier.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2004, 06:18:47 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2004, 07:52:39 PM »

I actually feel the opposite of most people here.  Yes, some issues here are going towards the conservative side, but I honestly feel most social issues are going to the liberal side of things.  If you look at the politically correct movement, it has gained more and more steam over the years.  If the country was becoming more "religious" we would not have schools banning Christmas in favor of "Winter Holiday" and nixing thanking God on Thanksgiving.  Malls would not be banning Santa, which has been gaining popularity every year.  (Arguably a very religious society would ban Santa too, but this go around it is the PC left behind it.)  

I believe the religious right is just getting more attention now because the PC left has been pushing it's agendas too and harder that ever before, to the right is making a bigger fight about.  If anything we have become much more liberal and the right is just speaking out about it more now than before.

Just my 2 cents!   biggrin
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2004, 09:04:36 PM »

I think the most of us here are more liberal.  But somehow the people currently in control for the last few presidencies are conservative, and they're looking to reverse the changes lately.

Can you believe they're actually trying to put creationism back in non religious schools?

I think I can complain about this since I voted in the election, and I really don't know how the heck Bush won this time around.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2004, 11:06:43 PM »

Many people believe he DIDNT win this time around...

http://blackboxvoting.org/
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There are also many challenges of the election results based upon polling and exit polls; the only places showing serious statistical anomolies are those using electronic voting machines (mainly those made by Diebold, who literally promised the election to GWB), and the figure (if I recall) is off by a fairly uniform 18%.

Meaning that now the usurper of 2000 has seized control of not only our country, but our ability to even vote him out of office.  Sadly, I would say about 40% or so of the country supports this, or just doesnt care.  

Im actually highly pissed that there is so much controversy on this issue and NOBODY is reporting on it.  This should be the headline of every newspaper in the country, but instead we get to hear about crap like the election fraud in Ukraine; how ironic indeed.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2004, 12:42:18 AM »

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there is so much controversy on this issue and NOBODY is reporting on it.

That's because most producers and consumers of news are adults.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2004, 03:38:12 AM »

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Many people believe he DIDNT win this time around...

http://blackboxvoting.org/
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There are also many challenges of the election results based upon polling and exit polls; the only places showing serious statistical anomolies are those using electronic voting machines (mainly those made by Diebold, who literally promised the election to GWB), and the figure (if I recall) is off by a fairly uniform 18%.

Meaning that now the usurper of 2000 has seized control of not only our country, but our ability to even vote him out of office.  Sadly, I would say about 40% or so of the country supports this, or just doesnt care.  

Im actually highly pissed that there is so much controversy on this issue and NOBODY is reporting on it.  This should be the headline of every newspaper in the country, but instead we get to hear about crap like the election fraud in Ukraine; how ironic indeed.


Maybe because the controversy only exists in your mind.

I know people who got called for polling data and told the pollster they were voting for Nader.  The exit polling isn't accurate.  You can't tell me that people don't lie with the exit pollsters.

The press hates Bush.  The press was far harsher to Bush than it was to Kerry leading into the election.  Someone at Newsweek guaranteed Kerry 15% of the popular vote with their coverage of the magazine.  If there was any fraud or any question about who won the election, they'd be on it like white on rice.

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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2004, 05:35:53 AM »

Sorry, the fact that exit polling was outside the margin of error ONLY in districts with electronic voting machines which do not keep a papertrail is far too strange.  

You can call not accepting what seems to clearly be a conspiracy "being an adult", but computer security professionals (like myself), statisticians, and many others have been saying for two years that doing away with any physical verification method (a 'paper trail') would lead to this exact thing.  You act as though a democracy or republic has never been subverted before.

If you educate yourself on this matter and want to say why you think they are wrong, that is fine with me.  But dont preach from a position of ignorance and expect me to care about your opinion.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2004, 06:09:26 AM »

It's just my opinion, having not read too much about the issue, but to not have a paper printout of electronic voting machines just seems short-sighted.  I can't imagine it being that big a deal to have one of those little reciept printer things on there.  Of course I don't think that's really going to solve the problem since there is a reason we are going with electronic machines, but it would sure buy some peace of mind knowing it is there.  If there is a good reason there is no paper trail I have yet to hear it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2004, 09:19:23 AM »

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America's not any more or less religious than it ever was.  It's just that the religious-right has a more vocal platform now, with Bush, a born-again Christian, as president.


History lesson - most of our presidents have at least claimed to be "born-again Christians".  Bush is not an anomaly.

And Apollo - is there some reason a person can't be a Christian, yet "laid back easy going?"  That describes the majority of my friends - who happen to be Christians as well.  Try not to paint us with such a broad brush, kthxbai biggrin


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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2004, 06:52:36 PM »

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Someonne obviously has never seen the show before lol.  Try being a little more informed before you regurgitate what you hear in chruch.  Here is an idea, watch the show and make up your own mind.  

Anyway no we are not more religous these days.  the difference is the zeilots are becoming more empowered to fuck with those of us that dont agree.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2004, 07:15:19 PM »

Playing devils Advocate here AttAdude, so don't take this the wrong way.. biggrin

But the same can be said for the left also!  The left wants to fuck with anyone who doesn't agree with them either, it's the way of politics and the pursuit of power.  No one is innocent!


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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2004, 08:18:38 PM »

It does seem so to me. People can have whatever beliefs they want but there has been seemingly more effort lately to push these beliefs into legislation, rules, restrictions, etc. Maybe not "more" effort, but more successful efforts. We have Creatinism/"Intelligent" design pushing it's way into schools, 10 commandments being displayed in courtrooms, gov. support for faith based organizations, Ashcroft covering statue boobies with a curtain, the FCC fining everyone left and right for any TV or radio program that dares to have any sexually titillating programming, and Bush proclaiming that "God is on our side" in Iraq.

For thos of us that are in no way christian it does seem an alarming trend. Perhaps the media is focusing on it making it seem exagerrated but imho this stuff needs to be kept in the light of the public eye, as insane as the public eye currently seems to be.
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2004, 08:54:13 PM »

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History lesson - most of our presidents have at least claimed to be "born-again Christians".  Bush is not an anomaly.

And Apollo - is there some reason a person can't be a Christian, yet "laid back easy going?"  That describes the majority of my friends - who happen to be Christians as well.  Try not to paint us with such a broad brush, kthxbai biggrin


Christian or "Born-Again" Christian?  Wikipedia only lists two presidents that were Born-Agains, GW Bush and Jimmy Carter.  Three if you want to count VP Dan Quayle.

I put the Born-Agains in a different category.  The ones I know usually f*ked up their lives at some point (and usually those around them as well) with some addiction or other bad behavior, "found God" and put all the energy they devoted to said addiction or behavior into religion.  Unfortunately religion becomes the new addiction, they either take it to extremes and try to convert everyone around them and generally harrass people as they try to prove themselves more devoted than anyone else.  Or, they use it as a cover and continue their bad habits, if anyone confronts them they use the "God forgives me, why don't you?" line or some such.

I certainly believe there are Christians that are not so extreme.  The difference is that they're generally those that were born into it and have lived it all their lives.  They don't feel the need to prove themselves like the Born-Agains do.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2004, 09:09:03 PM »

Could it just be the pendulum swinging back the other way after years of liberal/leftist/progressive pushing the culture towards an extreme euro norm?

Nah.  Has to be right wing Christian zealotry.  :roll:

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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2004, 09:59:12 PM »

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America's not any more or less religious than it ever was.  It's just that the religious-right has a more vocal platform now, with Bush, a born-again Christian, as president.  

Don't worry - we're the same people we've always been.    smile


What the Republicans have been doing well is taking small but vocal groups (religious groups, gun lobby, etc.) and getting them under their umbrella.  You get enough small groups together and you've got a majority.  The only issue is that these groups think that the entire majority shares their view which is not always the case.  They only agree to support the others views as a way to hold that majority.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2004, 10:00:25 PM »

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With so many choices now you can always change the channel. And if they're going to kick Desperate Housewives off the air, at least do so for the right reasons: The show is neither funny nor cool, and just gets off on squeezing as much T&A teasing as it can. Watch an episode of HBO's Real Sex and not only is the teasing better, but it's vastly funnier.


Someonne obviously has never seen the show before lol.  Try being a little more informed before you regurgitate what you hear in chruch.  Here is an idea, watch the show and make up your own mind.


Did you even read before you replied?  Someone regurgitating thier church's party line on Desperate Housewives isn't going to be touting HBO's Real Sex as an alternative.

It is possible for someone to have actually viewed Desperate Housewives and, through no input but their own, find it an unfunny, uncool cock-tease.
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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2004, 11:49:33 PM »

None of that seemed to have hurt Baywatch, and that didnt even feature much groping.
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2004, 05:50:50 AM »

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None of that seemed to have hurt Baywatch, and that didnt even feature much groping.



At one time, Baywatch was bigger than Christianity. There were more regular viewers than the number of church-going christians, world-wide.

And, to answer the original question, yes, I do believe we are getting more religious in America, and this isn't necessarily a good thing.

Something I often stress that upsets many people:

Being more religious (as a group) does not make you more moral. Being religious does not make you right, or give you exclusive domain over morality.

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2004, 01:39:01 PM »

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Something I often stress that upsets many people:

Being more religious (as a group) does not make you more moral. Being religious does not make you right, or give you exclusive domain over morality.


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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2004, 07:04:20 PM »

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The country is becoming more conservative, but I wouldn't consider it any more religious than it normally is.


This isn't reflected in any data. On actual issue questions, which deterime the left/right lean of the public politically, Kerry beat Bush in every category but the war on terrorism and taxes. Kerry, the not-really-left-but-more-left-than-not candidate, won political independents and political moderates. The share of the electorate that is conservative rose in 2004, but because the GOP won the turnout ground war, not because of any major swaying of the electorates political leanings.

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Oh. What. Ever.  Bush has "flip flopped" on countless scores of issues during his presidency. Free trade. Education. The proper use of American military forces. Just this past week he switched positions on overhauling the intelligence system. Bush is at least as inconsistent as the caricature conservatives drew of Kerry was.
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2004, 02:21:31 AM »

Kirk, what is your opinion regarding the vote discrepancies, allegations of fraud, and apparently borked computer vote tabulation?  

I dont know if you've read much on the issue, but it seems... disturbing, to say the least.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2004, 02:54:40 AM »

I've yet to see a credible source detailing the so-called major voting discrepencies. As to the machines themselves, I support electronic voting, but only if confirmed paper receipts are printed and stored for all recount purposes. Elections are too important to leave in the hands of Microsoft Access (which Deibold machines use for tallying vote data).

We have in the country a crisis of legitimacy regarding our elections. This recent election helped that scenario a bit, but I don't think we'll truly be where we need to be until we have one national standard. The "Help Americans Vote Act" did little of the sort. We need a Federal standard for electronic voting machines, one which mandates openly available source code for the systems so that members of all parties can inspect it, and which also requires the creation and retention of user-verified paper trails. This will be costly, and clearly the only entity capable of picking up such a nationwide tab is the Federal Government. However, the legitimacy of our elections is the most critical element to the continuing of our democratic culture, so I think such money would be well spent.

It bothers me that Republicans seem so disinterested in this issue. I do not buy into conspiracy theories. But their nonchalance regarding the core of our democratic system is disturbing to say the least. One would hope that this could be a point of unity and bipartisanship upon which to build a less acrimonious governing situation in Washington. One would hope in vain, it seems.
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2004, 03:54:26 AM »

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there has been seemingly more effort lately to push these beliefs into legislation

All legislation is a function of someone's beliefs.  All legislation is a legislation of morality.
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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2004, 09:45:56 AM »

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there has been seemingly more effort lately to push these beliefs into legislation

All legislation is a function of someone's beliefs.  All legislation is a legislation of morality.

So laws standardizing radio frequencies or allocating money to repair highways are moral issues?  Who would have known?
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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2004, 01:24:05 PM »

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there has been seemingly more effort lately to push these beliefs into legislation

All legislation is a function of someone's beliefs.  All legislation is a legislation of morality.

So laws standardizing radio frequencies or allocating money to repair highways are moral issues?  Who would have known?

I'll take a swing at this one.

Laws such as those are a product of the belief that order/lawfulness/whatever is better than chaos and anarchy.  There are also people who believe anarchy is better, at least in some instances.  For almost every law you could probably find someone who disagrees with it and believes it is better to handle it differently.

Any time you say "it is better to have law x than to have law y or to have no law at all" you have made a moral judgement.
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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2004, 04:09:39 PM »

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I've yet to see a credible source detailing the so-called major voting discrepencies.


Have you not heard on the news (no, not blog websites…actual news), that there have been more votes in some counties than registered voters?  
No, your right, there’s nothing fishy going on.
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2004, 04:07:12 AM »

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I've yet to see a credible source detailing the so-called major voting discrepencies.


Have you not heard on the news (no, not blog websites…actual news), that there have been more votes in some counties than registered voters?  
No, your right, there’s nothing fishy going on.


Thanks for the condescension, it does wonders for your case.

I've read about the county where the voting was all out of whack, and caught by election workers the next day. It was a fairly harmless goof, and was quickly recognized. Such accidents happen in all voting systems. I suppose if I wanted to go hunting for conspiracies I could get all paranoid that the voting officials recognized and corrected an error.

When a credible print publication does a study that shows a systemic pattern of voting errors in areas that use electronic ballots, then I'll be all up in arms. For now, I think I'll play it cool.

Bush won. It's not the end of the world, it's just the end of an election.

We'll get them next time.
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2004, 01:21:52 PM »

I would laugh if it wasn't so sad.

It was several counties, and some were caught over a week later.

Oh, I'm sorry, our innocent, precious, free, honest country is incapable of such fraud.


btw, how was that a harmless goof?  How do you "goof" more votes than actual registered voters?  Don't be so naive.
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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2004, 02:52:43 PM »

Got a New York Times article detailing this rash of problems? Washington Post? Hell, the LA Times? I've been moving and travelling a lot these last weeks, so I could have missed it.

And an error is harmless if it is caught and corrected by the people who are supposed to review the results immediately after the election, as the error that was widely reported was. Wheres your credible evidence of errors that have not been corrected?

Do not call me naive. I am a very cynical person. But just because I don't wear a tinfoil cap and go apeshit over stuff printed in weblog or by those should-be-dragged-out-and-shot embarassments at Democratic Underground doesn't make me unserious when it comes to protecting our election processes. I've been a vocal and early agitator against allowing Deibold to make voting machines and for requiring user-verified paper trails.

But based on the available polling data, both pre-election and exit polls, there is no firm reason to believe that the 2004 presidential election was stolen. And until a serious journalistic entity publishes compelling evidence of such malfeasance, I'm not going to find Internet ranting persuasive.
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2004, 03:25:31 PM »

Unfortunately, I don't have links because I don't care enough to keep track of everything that has been reported.  I for one however, do not believe in simple little errors like that when it 1) comes to voting and 2) fraud happened before.

As for exit polls, your wrong there, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in counties that Bush won.
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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2004, 03:42:25 PM »

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Playing devils Advocate here AttAdude, so don't take this the wrong way.. biggrin

But the same can be said for the left also!  The left wants to fuck with anyone who doesn't agree with them either, it's the way of politics and the pursuit of power.  No one is innocent!


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I cant really argue with that, after all the job of a politician is to effect change on the nation.  Thats sorta what they do.  however id like to qualify that statment by saying that most left leaning PEOPLE dont want to force thier views on others.  For instance, you can find 100 people with out even looking who want Desperate Housewives taken off the air for what ever reason thier preacher is yapping about today.  You dont see many left wing people trying to get sunday morning church taken off the air, or teh 700 club or jerry freaking falwell for that matter.  The difference between the left an the right, is the left will just change the damn station.


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The very fact that he thinks Sex in the City is an alternative is what makes me think he has never seen the show.  Aside from all of that, even if he did watch the show, and some how he came up with this idea that the show is a T&A fest that does not make him any less wrong.  Desperate housewives is not being fucking with for showing too much T&A, although thats the label they use.  Its being messed with because its shows a picture of normal suburbia life that makes people uncomfortable.

Lastly yeah i think the election was shiesty.  You can blindly defend bush if you want, but there are just too many allegation for at least some of them not to be the truth.   With that being said, i dont think it makes a bit of a difference.  Bush won, and thats really all that matters fair or not.  Even if he did cheat it will not matter there will be no recount so just hunker down and get ready to live through the next 4 years.  

For me i find it much more sad, that the country decided to base thier votes on abortion and gay marriage.  I mean really lets pick the 2 lest important issues avalible to us, and route our countries future based on them.
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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2004, 03:47:05 PM »

How did I miss this gem of a thread?!

Quick hits.

1) America isn't going down the religious path... but there are a lot of spots where it's very freaky. On the whole, we're still the same violence loving but sexually repressed Americans (which is probably why we love the violence so much. Freud and all that jazz.)

2) As for voting irregularities. If it was fixed, it was done with incredible planning and precision.  But I don't think there was any sort of anything in that regard.  If there was you'd think they'd fix a more convincing victory. Maybe Bush should win PA.  BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK.  If you resort to that arguement, then you've moved off the buffet line and you're piling wood chips from the plants on your plate.

3) While I find that there has been a lot of just plain bizzare cases brought on by the left-wing groups... I find it troubling that many people (I'm not using this forum, I'm drawing from all sources) are using this election as some sort of vindication against a left-wing agenda.  The way some people are talking, you'd think we were living under the oppression of universal health care and forced to have homosexual relations with multiple partners.  I'd remember that sort of thing. BUT  MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK.
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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2004, 03:55:47 PM »

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Unfortunately, I don't have links because I don't care enough to keep track of everything that has been reported.


If you can't back up allegations, then I don't see any value in discussing them.

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As for exit polls, your wrong there, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in counties that Bush won.


At the county level, exit polls are not representative samples and therefore are worthless when it comes to determining who should win said county.
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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2004, 04:09:10 PM »

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Unfortunately, I don't have links because I don't care enough to keep track of everything that has been reported.


If you can't back up allegations, then I don't see any value in discussing them.

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As for exit polls, your wrong there, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in counties that Bush won.


At the county level, exit polls are not representative samples and therefore are worthless when it comes to determining who should win said county.


I'm sorry Fireball, I didn't know that I couldn't comment without official links to back up what I've heard on the news.
I'm sorry that I think that we are *gasp* capable of fraudualant behavior (heck, it happened before, but why would it happen again).
I'm sorry that since exit polls in the past have proven near accurate, and this time they didn't (well, at least with the stations using the machines instead of paper ballots).

I'm not saying that there was for sure voter fraud, I am saying however, that there could have been. I won't be naive to believe we are not capable of that.
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