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« on: October 16, 2012, 05:32:00 PM »

Let the Apple bashing begin!!!

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/16/apple-issues-invitations-for-october-23-media-event/

Any price predictions?  Clearly they want to hit the Amazon Fire but how are they going to do it without cannibilizing themselves?  Here are starting prices:

Kindle Fire $159
Kindle Fire HD $199
Kindle Fire 8.9" HD $299
iPod Touch 4th gen $199
iPod Touch 5th gen $299
iPad 2 $399
iPad 3 $499

That doesn't leave a whole lot of room for interesting price structures.  At $249 it could potentially smackdown the Kindle, but it would be cheaper than the iPod Touch, which doesn't make much sense unless they bring the price down on it.  That's pretty doubtful since it just came out.  So that leaves $349 as a starting price right between the Touch and iPad 2, which is "reasonable" in Apple terms, but not very competitive against Kindle Fire.  Should be interesting!
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2012, 05:40:10 PM »

I'm curious to how they'll price this as well.  Not very much room at all between the iPod Touch and iPad/iPad 2.  Probably not going to be cutting edge tech, so I think we'll end up being surprised at the prices.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2012, 07:31:18 PM »

I'm fairly certain Apple is going to target this as a direct nutshot to MSFT's Surface and a defense against the Nexus 7.  My bet is $249 for the low end version.  $50 Apple premium over the Nexus.
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 01:12:32 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 06:33:16 PM »

Quote from: gellar on October 16, 2012, 07:31:18 PM

I'm fairly certain Apple is going to target this as a direct nutshot to MSFT's Surface and a defense against the Nexus 7.  My bet is $249 for the low end version.  $50 Apple premium over the Nexus.

I saw $249 quoted in the paper today as well, but doesn't that conflict with the $299 iPod Touch?  Maybe it will be like an 8GB version or something (mostly cloud based)...  I read they were focusing on books so I think they are poising this as more as a reader/media device in direct competition with Kindle Fire (as opposed to Surface, which looks to me like a competitor to the regular iPad).
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 05:55:24 PM »

I predict instead of cheap pricing, Apple will give out iPads for free to everybody willing to file a lawsuit against Samsung.  smirk My bet is something more in the $249-$299 range. I don't see Apple marketing a $99-$199 tablet -- the profit margin's just too thin for their tastes, imho.

I love my NewTM iPad, and don't have any interest in a smaller device. For me, it's the smallest device I'm comfortable reading digital comics and magazines, watching movies/TV, etc. etc. on, on a regular basis. I can understand the appeal of smaller tablets though and I am seeing them out in public more often now.

Imho, Apple kind of blew it waiting this long to do a smaller iPad since so many others are entrenched at now bottom dollar prices that Apple's unlikely to be able to match. It's presumably easier to make the first giant splash in a market (re: iPad and iPhone) and then stay on or near the top, gradually reducing prices a bit, while everyone else tries to climb up the greasy pole to reach the peak.

Now Apple has to climb in with a bunch of lower priced, tiny profit margin, small tablets to compete, and they won't be able to tout a Retina screen in that market, among other things.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2012, 06:25:29 PM »

Newest rumor is $329 to start

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/20/ipad-mini-pricing-to-begin-at-approximately-329/
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2012, 01:55:38 PM »

$329 8GB ipad mini or a $249 32GB Nexus 7. Hmm, going to have to think about that for a while... Ok I'm finished!
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 05:48:23 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on October 21, 2012, 01:55:38 PM

$329 8GB ipad mini or a $249 32GB Nexus 7. Hmm, going to have to think about that for a while... Ok I'm finished!

Will probably start at 16GB I'd imagine?  16-32-64 for the 3 flavors?
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 05:53:41 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on October 22, 2012, 05:48:23 PM

Quote from: Canuck on October 21, 2012, 01:55:38 PM

$329 8GB ipad mini or a $249 32GB Nexus 7. Hmm, going to have to think about that for a while... Ok I'm finished!

Will probably start at 16GB I'd imagine?  16-32-64 for the 3 flavors?

If it's $329 to start with for real, I'll be surprised.  Double surprised if it's that price and it starts at 8 GB.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 06:45:21 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on October 22, 2012, 05:48:23 PM

Quote from: Canuck on October 21, 2012, 01:55:38 PM

$329 8GB ipad mini or a $249 32GB Nexus 7. Hmm, going to have to think about that for a while... Ok I'm finished!

Will probably start at 16GB I'd imagine?  16-32-64 for the 3 flavors?

I was thinking the same thing. Too many apps that are over a GB these days.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2012, 05:14:44 PM »

This Apple event reminds me of Paranormal Activity. 98 minutes of foreplay, maybe 5 minutes on what you were excited about.  Head meets wall
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2012, 05:52:52 PM »

Oh my... change the op thread title -- Phil's already talking about a new 4th generation iPad. Not the mini.  saywhat

-Same iPad prices
-Supposedly double performance, in line with the iPhone 5's performance improvements. A6X processor, and the iPhone 5's signal processor etc.
-720p FaceTime camera
-Now uses the Lightning connector

And now finally the iPad Mini...
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2012, 05:54:14 PM »

Surprised at 4th gen iPad already!
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2012, 06:08:14 PM »

really 329???   looks like I need to decide between the new Nexus 7 32g or Kindle Fire HD..


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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2012, 06:09:46 PM »

They wimped out on the pricing, imho...
16GB mini (Wi-Fi only), $329
32GB mini is $429, 64GB for $5129*. ($130 each additional for LTE connectivity).
*I guess Endgadget typed some things too fast.  icon_razz

I just mean, the pricing makes sense from an "Apple tradition standpoint." I don't know if it makes sense in terms of doing battle with the lowest-priced Kindle and Nexus tablets. But maybe they're less worried about that then simply getting a broader set of customers for iPads.

Perhaps Apple felt $299 (which is what I and some others predicted) wasn't enough profit for their tastes. $329 seems like an odd number to pick out. It wouldn't surprise me if they cut the iPad Mini prices later, perhaps right after Thanksgiving, to goose holiday sales.

I'm happy with my now OldTM iPad (3rd gen), just wish that -- for the way I use it -- I'd gotten the 64GB back in April/May.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2012, 06:33:52 PM »

So they gave the last generation of iPad's 7 months?  Are they slowly reducing their turnaround time?  Will the 5th gen iPad be out 5 months after the 4th?

Oh well, it doesn't bother me that much I suppose.  I'm fine with my iPad 2 and don't feel any burning desire to become an early adapter or join the apple cult of "must have latest!".
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2012, 06:56:00 PM »

Oh, so that's what the "iPad with Retina" is? The "New iPad" is just completely gone?
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2012, 07:01:08 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on October 23, 2012, 06:56:00 PM

Oh, so that's what the "iPad with Retina" is? The "New iPad" is just completely gone?

Yes, I do believe.  They updated it with lightning and internals and that's what it is now.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2012, 07:10:08 PM »

Quote from: leo8877 on October 23, 2012, 07:01:08 PM

Quote from: Teggy on October 23, 2012, 06:56:00 PM

Oh, so that's what the "iPad with Retina" is? The "New iPad" is just completely gone?

Yes, I do believe.  They updated it with lightning and internals and that's what it is now.

My iPad is irrelevant!  crybaby According the site there isn't even an iPad with an A5x in it now.
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2012, 08:31:35 PM »

My 1st gen iPad 64gb wifi model still fits the bill perfectly. Heck I'm posting from it now.
Money well spent IMHO.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2012, 08:42:55 PM »

Quote from: Roman on October 23, 2012, 08:31:35 PM

My 1st gen iPad 64gb wifi model still fits the bill perfectly. Heck I'm posting from it now.
Money well spent IMHO.

I skipped the 2, but by the time the 3rd gen came out I felt my OG iPad was too slow.

Here you go Teggy:

http://www.cultofmac.com/197709/the-new-ipad-just-aint-so-new-no-more/

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2012, 09:14:34 PM »

The only thing I like of the Ipad mini versus a Nexus 7 is there are more board game ports on IOS than Android.  I am jealous that Ticket to Ride, Le Havre, Caylus and others are IOS only. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2012, 09:27:57 PM »

Same here, except I've had the 2 for about a year and a half and skipped the "new" one.
So glad I did! It didn't take a genius (pardon the pun) to figure out there would be an iPad
With an A6 in it, but I didn't expect it quite this soon. My wife has been coveting my iPad
For a while now, so I'll have her get me this one for Christmas and she can have mine.

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Quote from: Roman on October 23, 2012, 08:31:35 PM

My 1st gen iPad 64gb wifi model still fits the bill perfectly. Heck I'm posting from it now.
Money well spent IMHO.

I skipped the 2, but by the time the 3rd gen came out I felt my OG iPad was too slow.

Here you go Teggy:

http://www.cultofmac.com/197709/the-new-ipad-just-aint-so-new-no-more/

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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2012, 11:17:22 PM »

it almost sounds like they should have just waited to release this years iPad instead of releasing the new one so soon.  maybe they should just start announcing all their new products on one set day in the fall-  it could be like Apple's version of X-Mas.  there could be greeting cards, songs, a Charlie Brown TV special....
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2012, 11:37:56 PM »

Hmmm, I was highly interested in an iPad Mini, but at $329, that's still a little too high for my wallet unfortunately, and I suspect that many who were in the situation of the Ipads being a little expensive for them and wanting something smaller will feel much the same way about this. I don't know what their market research told them, but I think they've missed the mark on that one. I'll either get an Ipod Touch or a Nexus 7.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2012, 11:42:47 PM »

Shouldn't be a big deal for now unless they suddenly start releasing apps that only work on the A6X, which would seem to be unlikely.

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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2012, 11:52:08 PM »

Quote from: Rumpy on October 23, 2012, 11:37:56 PM

Hmmm, I was highly interested in an iPad Mini, but at $329, that's still a little too high for my wallet unfortunately, and I suspect that many who were in the situation of the Ipads being a little expensive for them and wanting something smaller will feel much the same way about this. I don't know what their market research told them, but I think they've missed the mark on that one. I'll either get an Ipod Touch or a Nexus 7.

I don't think they missed the mark on the product so much as being locked in due to their current pricing structure.  Clearly the iPod Touch is still selling relatively well so they didn't want to bring down their $299 price tag.  But releasing the iPad Mini at the same price or lower would really be cannibilistic.  Even at $329 I personally would find it hard to justify the Touch over the Mini.  For almost all the things that the iPod touch is good for (besides the portability in your pocket factor), it seems like the Mini would be that much better due to the larger size.  There are numerous apps that are iPad only so you lose access to all of those with the Touch.  I suspect they will end up re-adjusting depending on how the Mini fares against the Touch and whether or not they do end up cannibilizing each other.

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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2012, 01:17:48 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on October 23, 2012, 11:52:08 PM

Regarding the new iMac, yum!  I was afraid with all the thinness (which I really don't care about although it looks cool), they'd sacrifice the high end graphics, but instead they went pretty aggressive with the GTX680MX option, so it looks like I will definitely be upgrading.  I also like the idea of the fusion drives, hopefully they will work in Bootcamp as well.

Complete, 100% agreement.  Excited for December.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2012, 01:18:23 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on October 23, 2012, 11:52:08 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on October 23, 2012, 11:37:56 PM

Hmmm, I was highly interested in an iPad Mini, but at $329, that's still a little too high for my wallet unfortunately, and I suspect that many who were in the situation of the Ipads being a little expensive for them and wanting something smaller will feel much the same way about this. I don't know what their market research told them, but I think they've missed the mark on that one. I'll either get an Ipod Touch or a Nexus 7.

I don't think they missed the mark on the product so much as being locked in due to their current pricing structure.


Yeah, I have no problem with the product, but the pricing? Ouch. I think everyone expected a smaller iPad that was affordable. That's what everyone was hedging bets on. Unfortunately, like you point out, their pricing structure is their own enemy. I would have paid $250 for one or even $199. Something with all the convenience of an iPad at half the price and half the size. Now I'll be looking elsewhere for something more affordable. I don't know what they could do in their situation though. Maybe they'll eventually replace the iPod Touch with the iPad Mini and lower the price, but they'd run into a problem where people need the smaller size.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2012, 08:08:56 AM »

You'd have to be crazy to buy this new ipad mini. Not only is it super expensive compared to the competition, it brings nothing new to the table. The resolution is terrible. I guarantee next year will be a new retina ipad mini.
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2012, 02:30:22 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on October 24, 2012, 08:08:56 AM

I guarantee next year will be a new retina ipad mini.

I'm pretty sure everyone assumes that.  It's an apple product.   icon_wink
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2012, 03:52:26 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on October 24, 2012, 02:30:22 PM

Quote from: Canuck on October 24, 2012, 08:08:56 AM

I guarantee next year will be a new retina ipad mini.

I'm pretty sure everyone assumes that.  It's an apple product.   icon_wink


Well some of us expect it in 6 months since that seems to be their new refresh plan for iPad stuff. smile


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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2012, 05:07:41 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on October 24, 2012, 02:30:22 PM

Quote from: Canuck on October 24, 2012, 08:08:56 AM

I guarantee next year will be a new retina ipad mini.

I'm pretty sure everyone assumes that.  It's an apple product.   icon_wink

The problem with that is it would mean yet another resolution devs would have to support, but I guess we will see. I think it more likely that the ipad2 gets phased out, leaving the mini (which has the same resolution as the ipad2 on a smaller screen) and the iPad.
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2012, 06:43:03 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on October 24, 2012, 08:08:56 AM

You'd have to be crazy to buy this new ipad mini. Not only is it super expensive compared to the competition, it brings nothing new to the table. The resolution is terrible. I guarantee next year will be a new retina ipad mini.

lol guess I am CRAZY!  I'm going to get one exclusively for work (well maybe a few games too).  Nothing to the table?  How about HALF the weight with a screen that's still 2/3 the size of the original, all the power and apps of the ipad 2, plus it can fit in one reasonably large hand (which should make it much more practical for taking notes on).  The one complaint I always had with the original iPads is the weight.  This is finally a size/weight that should be truly portable to bring to meetings, etc. but powerful (and with storage) enough to have all your work documents on.  I picked up an app called Remarks yesterday to get a sense of what it should be like, and I am really looking forward to dumping my junky paper notebooks and going into a meeting with a tablet that has all the pdfs I need (and can mark up) with a better form factor for holding in one hand and taking notes with the other.

Unless you've already been using one for a couple of months, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say the "resolution is terrible" and there's no use for it.  It's the same res as the iPad 2, which looks fine.
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2012, 06:49:29 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on October 24, 2012, 06:43:03 PM

Unless you've already been using one for a couple of months, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say the "resolution is terrible" and there's no use for it.  It's the same res as the iPad 2, which looks fine.

Yeah, I love the stuffing out of my ipad2, and this will be better. If you are used to a higher dpi though, like from a newer iPhone/iPad, it might look funny, though.
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2012, 07:19:28 PM »

Quote from: Misguided on October 24, 2012, 06:49:29 PM

Quote from: rittchard on October 24, 2012, 06:43:03 PM

Unless you've already been using one for a couple of months, I think it's a bit presumptuous to say the "resolution is terrible" and there's no use for it.  It's the same res as the iPad 2, which looks fine.

Yeah, I love the stuffing out of my ipad2, and this will be better. If you are used to a higher dpi though, like from a newer iPhone/iPad, it might look funny, though.

It's supposed to be nicer than the iPad 2 due to a better ppi, even though it's the same resolution, but not as good as the new iPad.
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2012, 11:59:25 PM »

I bought my wife an iPad2 last year that gets a ton of use in my house.  I'd like to get the Mini for me.  I think it will be great for all of the traveling I do.  Since we already have a lot of media from iTunes, it's just easier to go with an iTunes compatible device for me.  The resolution on the ipad2 looks good to me, and if it's relatively the same on the mini, that works for me.
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