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« on: September 12, 2007, 03:02:43 PM »

So let me see if I understand this correctly - I have to put in software to Age Gate the Bioshock trailer because it is violent (and kids are too stupid to pick a date older than 18, right?) but it is ok to show at 2:30 in the afternoon on basic cable?  The ESRB is making me an angry panda...
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2007, 03:18:49 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 12, 2007, 03:02:43 PM

So let me see if I understand this correctly - I have to put in software to Age Gate the Bioshock trailer because it is violent (and kids are too stupid to pick a date older than 18, right?) but it is ok to show at 2:30 in the afternoon on basic cable?  The ESRB is making me an angry panda...

yeah, the whole age verification deal is stupid (You must be 18 or over to enter, if not click here- yeah, right).  Luckily my birthday is 1-1 so I only have to do scrolling with the year on the sites that use drop down menus.  Of course I bet alot of peoples birthdays are '1-1' when it comes to that too  slywink
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 03:24:45 PM »

The Best Buy girl who rang up my Bioshock purchase requested my ID.  icon_lol  I am younger than CeeKay but I'm still plenty old and look more than a hair over 18.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 03:30:36 PM »

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:24:45 PM

The Best Buy girl who rang up my Bioshock purchase requested my ID. 

eventually you might start taking that as a compliment  icon_wink
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 03:33:50 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 12, 2007, 03:30:36 PM

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:24:45 PM

The Best Buy girl who rang up my Bioshock purchase requested my ID. 

eventually you might start taking that as a compliment  icon_wink

The whole transaction took no less than 5 minutes.  She was pretty stupid.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 03:34:30 PM »

Is there some sort of funding that gets cut if you disobey the ESRM KD?
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2007, 03:41:26 PM »

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:34:30 PM

Is there some sort of funding that gets cut if you disobey the ESRM KD?

Nope, more fun than that.  Legal action.  THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!   icon_rolleyes
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 03:44:18 PM »

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 12, 2007, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:34:30 PM

Is there some sort of funding that gets cut if you disobey the ESRM KD?

Nope, more fun than that.  Legal action.  THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!   icon_rolleyes
Who will conduct this legal action?
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 03:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 12, 2007, 03:44:18 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 12, 2007, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:34:30 PM

Is there some sort of funding that gets cut if you disobey the ESRM KD?

Nope, more fun than that.  Legal action.  THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!   icon_rolleyes
Who will conduct this legal action?

I think there is a chain of events here.  The ESA isn't a government entity but I believe that they have contracts with all of the various dev/pubs that detail various fines and potential enforcement actions that signatories agree to abide by when they join.  So in this case if Ron is violating the ESA's terms by not putting up some form of age enforcement then the ESA would probably go after the supplier of the footage: the developer/publisher.  The dev/pub, in turn, would probably tell Ron either to put up the appropriate verification or remove the content since they own it.  If Ron doesn't comply then the dev/pub could legally go after him for hosting content that they haven't authorized him to post.   

Unless Ron signed something himself with the ESA then I doubt they could go after him directly since their isn't actual government legislation for these standards. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 04:16:43 PM »

While I don't hate the ESA as much, stuff like this has got to go. At least the MPAA does.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 06:57:20 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 12, 2007, 03:57:41 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 12, 2007, 03:44:18 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 12, 2007, 03:41:26 PM

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:34:30 PM

Is there some sort of funding that gets cut if you disobey the ESRM KD?

Nope, more fun than that.  Legal action.  THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!   icon_rolleyes
Who will conduct this legal action?

I think there is a chain of events here.  The ESA isn't a government entity but I believe that they have contracts with all of the various dev/pubs that detail various fines and potential enforcement actions that signatories agree to abide by when they join.  So in this case if Ron is violating the ESA's terms by not putting up some form of age enforcement then the ESA would probably go after the supplier of the footage: the developer/publisher.  The dev/pub, in turn, would probably tell Ron either to put up the appropriate verification or remove the content since they own it.  If Ron doesn't comply then the dev/pub could legally go after him for hosting content that they haven't authorized him to post.   

Unless Ron signed something himself with the ESA then I doubt they could go after him directly since their isn't actual government legislation for these standards. 

Beat me to it.  This is exactly right.  We've had one or two pulldown requests because I have little respect for the ESA.  smile
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 08:16:53 PM »

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:24:45 PM

The Best Buy girl who rang up my Bioshock purchase requested my ID.  icon_lol  I am younger than CeeKay but I'm still plenty old and look more than a hair over 18.
Yeah, I was carded too for Bioshock.  And I'm a month away from 35.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 05:34:22 AM »

There are some inconsistencies here but it's largely the result of the political attention paid to games and the consequences of that. 

1.  Retail stores:  Most retailers card on "M" rated games now because of political pressure.  To make this easier, games are tagged in the computer systems so an age verification message pops up on the register/computer.  For simplicities sake, game and movie age verification is grouped together with alcohol and tobacco age verification and most sales clerks are basically told that failing to card could mean loss of job.  This leads to sales clerks carding everyone just to be sure.

2.  TV:  The FCC differentiates between cable and broadcast TV because kids can get a TV and pick up any broadcast channel. As a result broadcast channels have rules about what can be shown and when. However, since cable doesn't use FCC regulated broadcast signals the same rules can't apply.  Plus, the cost of having cable is viewed as a barrier to access for minors. That means that cable channels can pretty much show anything (including violent game ads) at any time.   Which leads to the internet.

3.  For some reason, even though the internet isn't any easier to access then cable TV, and even though the government can't regulate it, someone decided that children should face some obstacles to seeing too much "violence" (even though they can type "boobie" in google and seen an unending supply of nudity and hard core porn) so we see this pressure put on websites to verify age.  Which is inconsistent and ironic considering most parents are more concerned with their kids seeing sex then they are with them seeing violence.

 
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 09:08:33 AM »

I don't use my real birthday. While I was born in Jan, I just use 1-1-whatever the fuck makes it 18 when i scroll to first.

Like are they going to send the police to my house for lying? Maybe i was born in 1906. YOU DONT KNOW!
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 12:07:40 PM »

Quote from: Laner on September 12, 2007, 08:16:53 PM

Quote from: Austin on September 12, 2007, 03:24:45 PM

The Best Buy girl who rang up my Bioshock purchase requested my ID.  icon_lol  I am younger than CeeKay but I'm still plenty old and look more than a hair over 18.
Yeah, I was carded too for Bioshock.  And I'm a month away from 35.

Yeah, I'm 33 and have plenty of gray.   icon_wink
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2007, 01:04:42 PM »

I think it's funny that I could go into a liquor store 5 years ago and not get carded, but I still get carded for buying a game at Best Buy.  Maybe that just shows how poorly the liquor stores check ID, though. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2007, 01:38:02 PM »

Quote from: jersoc on September 13, 2007, 09:08:33 AM

I don't use my real birthday. While I was born in Jan, I just use 1-1-whatever the fuck makes it 18 when i scroll to first.

Like are they going to send the police to my house for lying? Maybe i was born in 1906. YOU DONT KNOW!

I'm always born in 1946 for those age ID things.
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2007, 01:44:22 PM »

Quote from: warning on September 13, 2007, 01:38:02 PM

Quote from: jersoc on September 13, 2007, 09:08:33 AM

I don't use my real birthday. While I was born in Jan, I just use 1-1-whatever the fuck makes it 18 when i scroll to first.

Like are they going to send the police to my house for lying? Maybe i was born in 1906. YOU DONT KNOW!

I'm always born in 1946 for those age ID things.

Nice that someone tells the truth on those.  OMGWTFPWNEDLOLBBQ!1!
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2007, 01:45:23 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2007, 01:50:03 PM »

I'm surprised Ron doesn't ask for CC info and 2.95 3 day trial too. Isn't that how 80% of the internet validates age? slywink
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2007, 02:14:14 PM »

I could swore I read about some recent age verification software that actually did some kind database lookup for verification.  I recall hearing that people doing the standard just put in some random date trick weren't able to get to the content.  I'll have to see if I can find out where I read that. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2007, 02:18:17 PM »

Quote from: Purge on September 13, 2007, 01:50:03 PM

I'm surprised Ron doesn't ask for CC info and 2.95 3 day trial too. Isn't that how 80% of the internet validates age? slywink

but then he'd have to put up some kind of webcam or something.
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2007, 04:07:01 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 13, 2007, 02:14:14 PM

I could swore I read about some recent age verification software that actually did some kind database lookup for verification.  I recall hearing that people doing the standard just put in some random date trick weren't able to get to the content.  I'll have to see if I can find out where I read that. 

Please do.  If it is something we could implement and 'clear' people automatically that'd be, as Peter Griffin says, "Freakin' Sweet".
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2007, 06:54:45 PM »


I was at BB on Labor Day.  A BB employee was pushing Bioshock on a kid.    Yes, the kid had never heard of it.  Yes, he was definitely under 17.  I then saw the kid with his mom and the game in the checkout line.   Yes, she didn't even look at the game.

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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2007, 07:20:26 PM »

OTOH, the day I was carded at Gamestop (which I never frequent, but everywhere else was sold out), the kid in front of me tried to buy Bioshock as well, and the sales dude wouldn't sell it to him because he didn't have any ID - he had to go out to the car and get his mom.
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2007, 03:11:05 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2007, 09:16:21 PM »

It gets worse (and just slightly off topic). Via Bill Harris, we have the 10 Funniest MPAA Ratings Reasons:

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Once upon a time, movie ratings were limited to simple Gs, PGs and Rs. So it was helpful to parents and sensitive moviegoers when the MPAA decided to go the extra step beyond simple letter ratings and begin offering ratings reasons. Unfortunately, the people who write them appear to have a penchant for huffing paint, because a lot of the reasons are pretty damn goofy.

10. Mother’s Boys (1994)
“Rated R for language and for a mother’s sociopathic behavior

9. Indian in the Cupboard (1995)
“PG for mild language and brief video images of violence and sexy dancing

8. All I Wanna Do (1998)
“PG-13 for teen sex-related material, language, and substance misuse

7. The Hunted (1997)
“R for strong bloody ninja violence and a humorous drug related scene”

6. War of the Buttons (1994)
“PG for mischievous conflict, some mild language, and bare bottoms

For the rest of them, you'll have to visit the link. However, they all make me want to just scratch my head in confusion.

See? This is why the R rating is so useless nowadays. What exactly does it mean? Who the hell knows.
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2007, 12:28:55 AM »

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“PG for language and a mild birds and bees discussion”

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