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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2011, 07:50:19 PM »

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keep the political debate crap out of this thread please... This is horrible enough.


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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2011, 08:58:02 PM »

Agree it should stay out, and apologies for my part  icon_wink
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2011, 09:05:33 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2011, 09:58:33 PM »

Now they're saying radiation levels are increasing at one of the nuclear plants

I'd go over there in a second to help if I could afford it  icon_confused
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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2011, 11:06:26 PM »

Quote from: Zekester on March 11, 2011, 09:58:33 PM

Now they're saying radiation levels are increasing at one of the nuclear plants

I'd go over there in a second to help if I could afford it  icon_confused

You could start by changing your avatar.  icon_wink

They had to evacuate thousands of people near the plant, and are venting, but claim it should not be harmful to anyone.  I guess it's at 1.5 times above normal.
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« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2011, 11:08:39 PM »

I heard the radiation was 1000 times normal in the control room.

Plus a dam broke, and there are 4 trains missing.
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« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2011, 11:36:21 PM »

More videos...


Giant whirpool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB1yRdB4cWA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuul5ibflj0&feature=related

Dancing skyscrapers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhJzdtzl6KY&feature=youtu.be


Just crazy.  Mother Nature is awe inspiring and powerful.  Makes me feel so small.
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« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2011, 12:35:03 AM »

now they're saying three nuclear reactors are in trouble:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42025882/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001
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« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2011, 12:37:32 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on March 12, 2011, 12:35:03 AM

now they're saying three nuclear reactors are in trouble:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42025882/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/?GT1=43001

Man the hits just keep on coming.
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« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2011, 01:01:05 AM »

damn, just heard in a video interview the jolt was big enough to move the big island 8 feet to the east.
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« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2011, 01:02:33 AM »

This is so awful.  

If it melts down would it be more like 3 mile island or chernobyl?  If the latter, alll of japan becomes uninhabitable, yes?  However, I'm hoping that their standards are much higher than the soviets.. icon_frown
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« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2011, 04:08:36 AM »

There's a quote I favor from the Zombie Survival Guide which talks about using an oil rig as a fortress that I think is apropos to the current disaster:

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The ocean can be a source of life, but also a merciless killer. ... This is, unfortunately, a problem that can not be remedied by humanity.  Nothing in this or any other book can save you from nature when she decides to remove this hunk of steel from her ocean.

Here's hoping they get those reactors under control.  I really don't want to see what happens if they don't.
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« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2011, 08:48:49 AM »

Explosion at Daiichi. Statements are that there's still not been a release, but they're evacuating 45,000 people.
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« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2011, 11:38:47 AM »

703 people now confirmed dead,and 784 people still missing
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« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2011, 01:28:57 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on March 12, 2011, 08:48:49 AM

Explosion at Daiichi. Statements are that there's still not been a release, but they're evacuating 45,000 people.

They are actually claiming the building "collapsed" due to earthquake stress...when anyone watching the video can see the damn pressure wave blowing out the building.  I think the roof landed about 5 miles away.
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« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2011, 11:12:27 PM »

now i am reading that there are fears for over 10,000 people missing

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Around 10,000 people are feared dead after the Japanese port of Minamisanriku was virtually obliterated - as the estimated death toll from the country's quake and tsunami nears the 1,700 mark.


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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2011, 11:14:17 PM »

Is there any way to send help via monetary means? I haven't seen anything yet.
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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2011, 11:21:41 PM »

Quote from: Sparhawk on March 12, 2011, 11:14:17 PM

Is there any way to send help via monetary means? I haven't seen anything yet.

there's the Red Cross:

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Those who want to help can go to www.redcross.org and donate to Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami. People can also text REDCROSS to 90999 to make a $10 donation to help those affected by the earthquake in Japan and tsunami throughout the Pacific.

then there is this, the Givewell blog.
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« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2011, 12:25:40 AM »

How about sending help to people in THIS country who need it, so many of them, before we send help to Japan...

I'm sorry, but we've done more for them in the last 36 hours then we did for New Orleans in WEEKS.

Especially in these times when money is so short...help our own FIRST.
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« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2011, 12:50:07 AM »

Quote from: Darkstar One on March 13, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

How about sending help to people in THIS country who need it, so many of them, before we send help to Japan...

I'm sorry, but we've done more for them in the last 36 hours then we did for New Orleans in WEEKS.

Especially in these times when money is so short...help our own FIRST.

Maybe you can start up another thread getting people to send money to the Confederacy. This thread is about Japan.
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« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2011, 01:13:01 AM »

The consequences of a reactor core meltdown -- which might already be underway -- will rival those of the tsunami. Not in physical destruction, but in human health and environmental consequences. The latest news (sketchy as it is) is not encouraging at all.
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« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2011, 04:16:54 AM »

I'm having troublrt sorting the segmented and varying reports.  Are there TWO meltdowns going on?
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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2011, 04:21:30 AM »

Quote from: ATB on March 13, 2011, 04:16:54 AM

I'm having troublrt sorting the segmented and varying reports.  Are there TWO meltdowns going on?

Yes.  Two reactors at the same plant.
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« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2011, 02:53:48 PM »

The most urgent problems are at Dai-ichi 1, the reactor where the explosion occurred yesterday, and where a meltdown appears to be underway.  Iodine-131 and cesium-137, two intensely radioactive byproducts of nuclear fission, have been detected in the area outside the power plant.  There are also growing problems at Dai-ichi 3, another reactor at the same facility.  They're attempting to flood both cores with seawater mixed with boric acid to cool them down and slow the fission rate.

There are also problems now developing at three reactors at the Daini power plant.  They're preparing to relieve pressure in all three cores with a controlled venting of the radioactive air inside after evacuating everyone within a six-mile radius.

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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2011, 04:06:42 PM »

As CNN is saying:

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A major explosion of a reactor at the Daiichi plant is "almost inconcievable," he said. "I think that worst-case outcome is unbelievably unlikely in this case."

At the Daiichi nuclear plant, workers have been scrambling to cool off fuel rods at both reactors after the massive earthquake and tsunami disabled their cooling systems. Japanese authorities have said there is a "possibility" that a meltdown has occurred in the reactors. A meltdown is a catastrophic failure of the reactor core, with a potential for widespread radiation release.

But Japanese officials stressed that there were no indications of dangerously high radiation levels in the atmosphere around the two reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in northeastern Japan. They said they were unable to confirm whether a meltdown had occurred because they cannot get close enough to the reactors' cores.

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The use of seawater shows that authorities are giving up future use of the Daiichi plant and are focusing solely on protecting people and the environment, experts said.

"If they are (using seawater), it's because they have no other choice," said James Walsh, a research associate at the security studies program at MIT. "The last thing you want to do is pump seawater and boron into a reactor." The salt and boron will corrode the reactor, he said.

"Essentially, they are saving the white flag and saying, 'This plant is done,' " Walsh said. "This is a last-ditch mechanism to try to prevent overheating and to prevent a partial or full meltdown."

So in short, they're outright pulling the plug on the reactor for good to make sure it doesn't go critical.
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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2011, 04:45:52 PM »

From Destructor's link: "He added that the word "meltdown" can mean a lot of different things, depending on its severity."

That's what I've learned in the past 24 hours. It is not automatically a major catastrophe if it can be contained. So far, so good.
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« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2011, 05:08:27 PM »

I couldn't bring myself to watching any of it on Friday as I had to attend a family members memorial service, but yesterday I watched a number of the videos and was completely shocked. My sincerest sympathies go out for the people of Japan affected by it, and as someone else said if I could afford to go there and help I would. I'm in complete awe of the magnitude of the quake:

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Officials said the initial quake was the most powerful one to hit the region in 1,200 years. The USGS says the force of the quake was so strong that Honshu — Japan's biggest island — was moved 2.5 metres to the east.

The quake was 8,000 times more powerful than the one that struck Christchurch, New Zealand, in February.

My God, if it moved the island 8 feet, how is any waterfront anywhere on Honshu stable and safe? I know the Japanese have been building for eventual earthquakes for some time, but could they have possible accounted for something on this scale - I'm thinking no? I can't even begin to fathom the construction effort and costs that will be required.

I agree about the above reports on the nuclear reactors - from what little I've read and been told about nuclear power generation, dumping salt water in as coolant constitutes a write-off. Unless of course the Japanese have techniques that others don't.
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« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2011, 05:43:59 PM »

check this link out,it has before and after shots ...roll your mouse over the pics

http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
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« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2011, 06:09:19 PM »

the tsunami was high enough to get that car on top of a 3 story building.



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« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2011, 09:04:05 PM »

when i first saw that picture CK i thought it was a high rise car park,and my first thought was,well at least the car is still standing icon_confused
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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2011, 09:23:04 PM »

Just wondering if anyone here has heard from Canuck? IIRC he lives in the Tokyo area. Other than him, I can't remember if there's any other GT'ers that live on the island of Honshu. Unfortunately there's no email address, or other messaging info, listed for his account. Canuck, if you're OK and can somehow get to the Internet, let us know how you're doing. As well, If anyone has heard from Canuck or knows how to get in contact with him, please post it here.
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« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2011, 09:24:55 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 13, 2011, 09:23:04 PM

Just wondering if anyone here has heard from Canuck? IIRC he lives in the Tokyo area. Other than him, I can't remember if there's any other GT'ers that live on the island of Honshu. Unfortunately there's no email, or other messaging addressees, listed for his account. Canuck, if you're OK and can somehow get to the Internet, let us know how you're doing. As well, If anyone has heard from Canuck or knows how to get in contact with him, please post it here.

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Canuck is safe in France...
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« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2011, 09:29:34 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on March 13, 2011, 09:24:55 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 13, 2011, 09:23:04 PM

Just wondering if anyone here has heard from Canuck? IIRC he lives in the Tokyo area. Other than him, I can't remember if there's any other GT'ers that live on the island of Honshu. Unfortunately there's no email, or other messaging addressees, listed for his account. Canuck, if you're OK and can somehow get to the Internet, let us know how you're doing. As well, If anyone has heard from Canuck or knows how to get in contact with him, please post it here.

Quote from: ATB on March 11, 2011, 02:43:34 PM

Canuck is safe in France...

Awesome, good to know. I'd missed that early posting. slywink
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« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2011, 10:14:31 PM »

Quote from: Darkstar One on March 13, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

How about sending help to people in THIS country who need it, so many of them, before we send help to Japan...

I'm sorry, but we've done more for them in the last 36 hours then we did for New Orleans in WEEKS.

Especially in these times when money is so short...help our own FIRST.

"...help our own FIRST."   
 
From what exactly?

Blacks? Indians? Asians? Mexicans? Those dirty Jews?   Roll Eyes

Wow man, this might be the wrong forum for you... 
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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2011, 10:17:35 PM »

Quote from: Darkstar One on March 13, 2011, 12:25:40 AM

How about sending help to people in THIS country who need it, so many of them, before we send help to Japan...

I'm sorry, but we've done more for them in the last 36 hours then we did for New Orleans in WEEKS.

Especially in these times when money is so short...help our own FIRST.

If you are going to post crap like this at least try to provide some semblance of credibility by providing fact instead of a severely biased opinion.   The Federal government in fact spent billions on the recovery from Hurricane Katrina.  Heres a fact for you 1.6 billion of that money went towards fraudulent claims.  Yes, we spent more on fraudulent claims than we have sent to Japan.
 
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« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2011, 10:19:31 PM »

holy fucking shit ground level view of the water plowing over a neighborhood. 
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« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2011, 10:33:47 PM »

Are they also saying now that a volcano in the northern region is erupting?
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« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2011, 10:37:19 PM »

Quote from: Zekester on March 13, 2011, 10:33:47 PM

Are they also saying now that a volcano in the northern region is erupting?

I heard south.
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« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2011, 10:38:23 PM »

Oh ok.

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« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2011, 10:59:54 PM »

Just yesterday I was wondering about whether or not Mount Fuji was still active.
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