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« on: March 25, 2008, 06:13:54 AM »

It's sorta game related, but also television so i figured i'd put it here.

So i have a 72" Samsung DLP HDTV that can do 1080p.   I am using HDMI and have it set to output at 1080p.   

Now, i've never thought twice about this until lately i'm reading some comments that make me believe maybe i should be changing some of the settings.   First, while it looks nice, i'm not overly "wow'd" at the regular upscaling of DVD's.  I constantly read comments about alot of people not seeing much difference in an upscaled movie and a Blu Ray.   However, i see a huge difference.   Again, upscaling is nice, but not even close to what Blu Ray does.   I'm wondering if it's just me or perhaps i haven't got something right.   I have the PS3 set to upscale, but i just don't see it being nowhere near Blu Ray.

Also, i have a similar question about upscaled PS2 games and PS3 games.   For PS2 games, the games i have played don't impress me at all upscaled.   Even the better looking PS2 games like GoW2 really look ugly on my set upscaled.   And for the PS3 games, i read alot where i should be playing games at 720p and not 1080p....is that true?   For example, MLB The Show says to run it at 720p, should i do that?   Only reason i ask is that when i put my set down to 720p, i notice a huge color and resolution difference just on the PS3 interface screen.   It was pure ugly on 720p so i turned it back to 1080p.

So can anyone give me some advice or tips or should i leave it at where its at?   I have no issues really, but i'd like to get more out of my HD experience if i'm missing something.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 06:45:52 AM »

An upscaled DVD is still not really 1080p source, so it should not look as good as a Blu-Ray disc will.

I have my PS3 set to output to 1080p in settings, but if a game does not support that (say 720p) max, the PS3 just outputs to whatever the highest level that the game displays in.  You should not have to do any manual switching of modes when you play games.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 07:20:04 AM »

ya i never thought it should look as good either, but i've read over and over again comments from people saying "i can't tell much difference in an upscaled DVD and Blu Ray".  to me that makes no sense on what my tv does.   just wondering if it was just me and i was missing out on something.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 12:30:58 PM »

Differences between upscaled content and native HD like Bluray are going to be magnified by the size of the screen so at 72" you'll see much more of a difference than most others. 

As to PS2 upconversion- make sure you do *not* enable 480p (progressive scan) in the games that support it (like God of War 1&2).  Enabling 480p in a game disables the upscaler.

As to your resolution settings- you should be fine leaving it permanently at 1080p. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 01:08:14 PM »

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As to PS2 upconversion- make sure you do *not* enable 480p (progressive scan) in the games that support it (like God of War 1&2).  Enabling 480p in a game disables the upscaler.
I read a comparison article that said the opposite: Do enable 480p in games that allow it.  They found that for most games it resulted in a superior image than the upscaling.  I guess it would probably depend on your TV as well.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 01:29:41 PM »

Make sure you turn the super white on in the video options. This will make the output more colorful.

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 01:53:35 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on March 25, 2008, 01:08:14 PM

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As to PS2 upconversion- make sure you do *not* enable 480p (progressive scan) in the games that support it (like God of War 1&2).  Enabling 480p in a game disables the upscaler.
I read a comparison article that said the opposite: Do enable 480p in games that allow it.  They found that for most games it resulted in a superior image than the upscaling.  I guess it would probably depend on your TV as well.

It probably depends on the TV but I can tell you that in my experience the upscaled results are far preferable than running in 480p, especially in God of War.  I played both of them last year in 480p and just replayed them this month upscaled to 720p on the same TV and the difference is night and day for me. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 02:57:43 PM »

Found the article.





In the article you can see full size versions of those two images, but in both cases the upscaled version loses a lot of sharpness and detail compared to the native 480p.  That's God of War II in the pic, though, not the original.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 02:59:51 PM »

just my opinion, but the hd-dvd player on the 360 does better upscaling than the one on the ps3.  thats using an elite in 1080p and the ps3 in 1080p.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 03:03:47 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on March 25, 2008, 02:57:43 PM

In the article you can see full size versions of those two images, but in both cases the upscaled version loses a lot of sharpness and detail compared to the native 480p.  That's God of War II in the pic, though, not the original.

IMO with the PS2 you don't necessarilly want a lot of texture detail because the textures are so muddy due to texture size limitations anyway.  And sharpness usually means aliasing on the PS2.  Personally, I find the overall smoothing to be a big improvement in a lot of games. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 03:04:41 PM »

Quote from: WalkingFumble on March 25, 2008, 02:59:51 PM

just my opinion, but the hd-dvd player on the 360 does better upscaling than the one on the ps3.  thats using an elite in 1080p and the ps3 in 1080p.

FWIW, the HD-DVD player on the 360 doesn't upscale.  That's a feature that's available in all 360s as long as you are using HDMI or VGA connections. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2008, 03:07:52 PM »

well...it looks better.   icon_biggrin
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2008, 03:19:23 PM »

Quote from: WalkingFumble on March 25, 2008, 02:59:51 PM

just my opinion, but the hd-dvd player on the 360 does better upscaling than the one on the ps3.  thats using an elite in 1080p and the ps3 in 1080p.

That's literally the first time I've ever heard that.  Everyone I've known thinks the 360 DVD player is a piece of shit.

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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2008, 04:08:40 PM »

hmm, might try a game or two and experiment to see which looks better.
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2008, 05:01:32 PM »

Quote from: gellar on March 25, 2008, 03:19:23 PM

Quote from: WalkingFumble on March 25, 2008, 02:59:51 PM

just my opinion, but the hd-dvd player on the 360 does better upscaling than the one on the ps3.  thats using an elite in 1080p and the ps3 in 1080p.

That's literally the first time I've ever heard that.  Everyone I've known thinks the 360 DVD player is a piece of shit.

gellar

does that include the hd add on?  i refused to use the built in dvd player on the 360 cause yeah, its shit.
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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2008, 05:28:48 PM »

Quote from: WalkingFumble on March 25, 2008, 05:01:32 PM

does that include the hd add on?  i refused to use the built in dvd player on the 360 cause yeah, its shit.

HD-DVD -add on shouldn't matter- that's just a laser transmitting data- all of the actual video processing is being handled by the 360 itself.

And, yeah, what Gellar said about the 360's DVD quality- it's gotten awful reviews while many consider the PS3 one of the best upscaling players on the market, at least for the price range.   
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