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« on: July 17, 2014, 03:59:35 PM »

So terrible... 



On all news sources now.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 04:06:17 PM »

Wonder which idiotic side did it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 04:15:26 PM »

Why fly over an active combat zone? Seems risky.

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 04:27:58 PM »

frown  Sorry for all the families and friends of those who died.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2014, 04:39:50 PM »

Live ticker on BBC
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2014, 05:00:41 PM »

Wow, I saw this earlier and there was no news at that time about what caused the crash, so I assumed it was just an accident.   icon_eek
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 06:27:19 PM »

That's terrible news.  And it was shot down?  Even worse.
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 09:49:41 PM »

Quote from: ATB on July 17, 2014, 04:15:26 PM

Why fly over an active combat zone? Seems risky.

That was my first thought, too. Do airlines routinely do this? I suppose there would never be any air service anywhere in the Middle East if they didn't...and it's not something that happens often.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2014, 11:24:34 PM »

They said on the news that the Crimea area is absolutely a no fly zone but this area was not identified as dangerous yet. Plus the separatists weren't supposed to have rockets with that kind of range.
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2014, 06:03:40 AM »

Quote from: Teggy on July 17, 2014, 11:24:34 PM

They said on the news that the Crimea area is absolutely a no fly zone but this area was not identified as dangerous yet. Plus the separatists weren't supposed to have rockets with that kind of range.

First of all, my first world problems are put to rest after hearing this. Teggy made a valid point. Is it possible, gasp, that the government did this? Some news were hinting at this. Sad any which way . Fuck off people in this world who think this will bring anything good.
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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2014, 01:07:43 PM »

I can't imagine that if the government did shoot it down, that it was anything but a stupid accident.  That doesn't make it any less wrong or tragic, but it does make it less an act of aggression and more an act of stupidity.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2014, 02:05:56 PM »

Quote from: hepcat on July 18, 2014, 01:07:43 PM

I can't imagine that if the government did shoot it down, that it was anything but a stupid accident. 

Not sure how you accidentally shoot down a plane flying at 30,000+ ft.

Anyway...just awful.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2014, 02:14:40 PM »

Quote from: ATB on July 18, 2014, 02:05:56 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 18, 2014, 01:07:43 PM

I can't imagine that if the government did shoot it down, that it was anything but a stupid accident.

Not sure how you accidentally shoot down a plane flying at 30,000+ ft.

Anyway...just awful.

You accidentally shoot down a passenger plane.


Apparently, there is one family who lost someone both in this tragedy and the flight that went missing in March:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-victims-family-that-lost-relatives-in-mh370-loses-another-in-ukraine/
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2014, 02:17:42 PM »

What Bullwinkle said.  There IS a conflict going on in that region, you know.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2014, 02:41:49 PM »

Ah. Sorry. smile
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2014, 06:53:26 AM »

Here's a surprise, the rebels are now restricting the investigators from doing their job. I just don't get it. Every time something like this happens in a place where multiple parties are either pointing the finger at each other or one is trying to paint a difference picture ie. deny blame, it never looks good for the side that narrows or denies access.
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2014, 07:53:36 AM »

That's because they most likely did it.

Just before news hit of a passenger jet going down, the rebels were the first to post online about how they downed another Ukrainian fighter jet.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2014, 01:51:40 PM »

Do you have a link for that, Turtle? Never mind, found one such mention here.

Also this was a very complex SA-11 Buk SAM missile system leading people to think that "Russian soldiers may have been assisting or manning the weapon". I doubt we'll ever know the full truth behind this.  icon_frown
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2014, 04:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on July 19, 2014, 07:53:36 AM

That's because they most likely did it.

Just before news hit of a passenger jet going down, the rebels were the first to post online about how they downed another Ukrainian fighter jet.

Oh I very much believe they, either acting alone or with the assistance (Not only as suppliers but also assisting) from Russia, did do this. Though I cannot imagine why. Did they somehow think they had a way to pin this on the Ukrainian government or did Russia directly act as a very focused, and quite misleading, narrative that Ukraine are the devil.

I might go further with this but the thread is still in off topic which is why I didn't directly call out the rebels as the aggressor in my initial post.
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