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« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2013, 09:38:46 AM »

Yeah, Stessier... it so unlike you to push this fast Without any discussion at all.  So why the rush?
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« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2013, 09:49:49 AM »

You tell me - I'm the new guy.  biggrin

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« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2013, 12:31:37 PM »

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You tell me - I'm the nude guy.  biggrin

??? Why would you share that with us?
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« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2013, 12:35:51 PM »

There's no discussion here to really go on, but for now I'll put stessier on notice.
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« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2013, 05:40:59 PM »

4 villagers, 2 wolves. If we miss our lynch today that's 3 villagers and 2 wolves. The night kill would make it 2 villagers and 2 wolves, and a loss for the villagers. So, unless the hunter makes a miracle save, this is our last chance.

So, with that said, I'm the seer. Unfortunately ravenvii proclaimed that he was the seer as he went marching to his death so I'm pretty sure the first reaction is going to be to have me lynched, but that will only end up being a win for the wolves. Last night I scanned Soulchilde, and he was (unfortunately) clean. That means two of Purge, stessier, envy24, and JayDee are the wolves. Now the odds are 50/50 at least of hitting a wolf. And if the Hunter is still alive, he can improve our odds even more.

By shooting me, I will come up human. That will prove Soulchilde is human and give a voting block of two known good guys. This also means the wolves have less places to hide, as 2 out of the remaining 3 unknowns will be wolves. That's a 66% chance of hitting a wolf and extending the game. Those seem to be the best numbers I can come up with.

Oh, and since I might be dead before I get to post again, Stessier and envy would be the only two unprovens to have voted for ravenvii. Just sayin.
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« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2013, 08:38:32 PM »

Well now at least there is something to discuss.  Please tell me, msteelers, why would a Villager go to their death proclaiming being Seer?
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« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2013, 08:39:21 PM »

Withdraw Soulchilde.

Let's talk.
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« Reply #87 on: August 02, 2013, 11:50:09 PM »

I'm out of town and spotty access. Monday is a holiday in canadianland, so I'll be back Tuesday.

I have stuff to say. Could we NOT DO ANYTHING RASH till I get back?
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« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2013, 09:27:00 AM »

Quote from: msteelers on August 02, 2013, 05:40:59 PM

By shooting me, I will come up human. That will prove Soulchilde is human and give a voting block of two known good guys. This also means the wolves have less places to hide, as 2 out of the remaining 3 unknowns will be wolves. That's a 66% chance of hitting a wolf and extending the game. Those seem to be the best numbers I can come up with.

Hey Mod - what happens if someone is shot?  Do we still get a lynch on the same day?

The way I'm used to playing is that we still get a lynch on the same day, but I thought I'd ask in case the convention is different here.

So we're at 4-2.  If msteelers is telling the truth, we shoot him, a Good Guy, making it 3-2, but we know Soulchilde is a human, so we would have a group of 4 of which 2 are wolves for the day's lynch.  If we miss, we lose as we'd be at 2 Villagers and 2 Wolves.  

If he is lying, then we shoot him and have 4 Villagers/1 Wolf for the day's lynch.  

If we just say "Okay, msteelers is a Good Guy" and trust his scan, and then we lynch someone and Miss, putting us at 3-2 which the wolves then move us to 2-2 with a Night Kill and we lose.

So if the Hunter is alive, it sure seems like he shout shoot msteelers.

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Oh, and since I might be dead before I get to post again, Stessier and envy would be the only two unprovens to have voted for ravenvii. Just sayin.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to imply here.
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« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2013, 02:43:58 PM »

Quote from: stessier on August 03, 2013, 09:27:00 AM

Quote from: msteelers on August 02, 2013, 05:40:59 PM

By shooting me, I will come up human. That will prove Soulchilde is human and give a voting block of two known good guys. This also means the wolves have less places to hide, as 2 out of the remaining 3 unknowns will be wolves. That's a 66% chance of hitting a wolf and extending the game. Those seem to be the best numbers I can come up with.

Hey Mod - what happens if someone is shot?  Do we still get a lynch on the same day?

That's one of the rules crossed out in the OP:

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S/he also has an additional ability to instantly kill any player of his choosing. This ability can only be used once during the game and will out the hunter's identity to the village.

Meaning there is no Hunter shot.
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« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2013, 03:52:02 PM »

 icon_eek

Fabulous.  I never made it past the first crossed out sentence. 

I am the Hunter.  On the plus side, I can self protect tonight if it gets to that point.  On the downside, I apparently have no way to prove it before then.
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« Reply #91 on: August 05, 2013, 05:39:54 PM »

Sorry, today is a holiday up here in Ontario so I've been absent.

I'll withdraw stessier and take him at his word for his Hunter claim (for now). Also if msteelers and stesser are telling the truth that means I'm one of the three "unknowns", but with the important distinction that I am not a wolf.

So that leaves me to choose between Purge and envy24 who are both wolves if the others are telling the truth. Purge apparently has stuff to say tomorrow. envy24 has been silent.

Thus, I'll put envy24 on notice in the meantime.
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« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2013, 08:56:16 PM »

Why should we trust msteelers?  It makes no sense that we lynched a Villager who claimed Seer upon his death but was not actually the Seer.

I think msteelers was trying to draw the non-existent shot.
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« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2013, 09:12:45 PM »

Quote from: stessier on August 05, 2013, 08:56:16 PM

Why should we trust msteelers?  It makes no sense that we lynched a Villager who claimed Seer upon his death but was not actually the Seer.

I think msteelers was trying to draw the non-existent shot.

You'll have to ask ravenvii why he falsely claimed seer. He handicapped the villagers.

The more interesting question is why would the hunter reveal who he was after realizing there is no longer any shot?
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« Reply #94 on: August 06, 2013, 09:35:56 PM »

Quote from: msteelers on August 05, 2013, 09:12:45 PM

Quote from: stessier on August 05, 2013, 08:56:16 PM

Why should we trust msteelers?  It makes no sense that we lynched a Villager who claimed Seer upon his death but was not actually the Seer.

I think msteelers was trying to draw the non-existent shot.

You'll have to ask ravenvii why he falsely claimed seer. He handicapped the villagers.

Yeah, I don't buy that.

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The more interesting question is why would the hunter reveal who he was after realizing there is no longer any shot?

If we miss, today is the last day.  If we hit, I can still protect myself.  Why wait?
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« Reply #95 on: August 07, 2013, 10:52:42 AM »

So are msteelers and I the only players left?
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« Reply #96 on: August 07, 2013, 11:05:03 AM »

Quote from: stessier on August 07, 2013, 10:52:42 AM

So are msteelers and I the only players left?

Possibly, although the game was kind of put on hold when purge said he had something important to say, but we had to wait five days to hear it.
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« Reply #97 on: August 07, 2013, 12:57:37 PM »

I'm still here. Just waiting on Purge though.
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« Reply #98 on: August 07, 2013, 01:05:21 PM »

I'm still here..  waiting on Purge to speak up
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« Reply #99 on: August 07, 2013, 01:07:14 PM »

Oh and Steeler if this was a larger pool game I would advocate lynching you, but we can't miss today and I won't risk testing you
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« Reply #100 on: August 07, 2013, 02:51:14 PM »

I didn't hold up the game, I just asked that nothing rash was done over my absence. Is that too much to ask? slywink

7) Qantaga - night kill
3) ravenvii - lynched - claimed seer
6) msteelers - claims seer
2) Soulchilde - msteelers claims he is a villager.
4) stessier - claims hunter. Also claims to have left bullets one town over.
1) Purge
5) envy24
8 ) JayDee

6 villagers, 2 wolves within. If we miss, we die. I'm uncomfortable with giving a claimed "seer" a pass after what Remus did over in the land of Oo. That being said, if we take M.Steelers for true, then SC is cleared and so is he, narrowing our pool. That would require that Raven wanted to screw us all over and claim he was the seer. I don`t think that was the case, so if we were called to a vote, RIGHT NOW, I would send it to the Teel Missus.

A hunter who doesn't know his role is also suspect, but it can happen. It depends on whether you were under the same impression - I thought he had a shot as well (which was what my "rash" request was asking to hold off on). Thing is, with no way to prove it, there is no room to trust him. Whether the -oops I can`t shoot- is a ploy to claim a role before the real hunter reveal is also a possibility - since, of course, anyone could claim hunter and have no problems since there is no proof. This would require us thinking Stessier is capable of this level of trickery. I have no problems with that.

We're also at their mercy in terms of lynching, since two misplaced votes can lead us to ruin, which is why I'm holding off on voting at the moment, till we get more dialog happening. My vote would be for Ms. Teelers.
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« Reply #101 on: August 07, 2013, 08:27:15 PM »

I understand that I'm the most obvious to lynch, but that will only result in a win for the wolves. I don't know why ravenvii falsely claimed seer, but he did. I thought I had a way to prove myself, but with the hunter losing his shot it makes it much more difficult.

I'm not sold on stessier as the hunter. It doesn't make much sense for him to reveal himself when he did. But it's been a couple of days now and nobody has stepped forward to counter the claim. With this being our last chance at getting a wolf, I'm willing to assume that he is the hunter.

That leaves purge, envy24, and jaydee. This hasn't been a very active game, but envy and jaydee have posted almost nothing.

I don't like it. I wish I had more to go on. But...

envy24
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« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2013, 10:11:25 PM »

So I've been thinking - all we could ask for is to have a contested Seer.  In this case, we do - and we already know one of the contestants is a human.  If he lied, the loss is on him, not us. 

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« Reply #103 on: August 08, 2013, 12:39:27 PM »

The more I think about it the more msteelers claim of Seer doesn't add up. Why would raven claim Seer falsely after he had been condemned? It's not like the votes could be reversed. It sounded like a burst of frustration. But then why would msteelers claim that Soulchilde is clean if he isn't the Seer? Unless the two are in cahoots together? Claim Seer when the real Seer can't contest, claim the other wolf is normal and hopefully ride that to victory?

Something doesn't add up. I'm changing my vote.

withdraw envy24

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« Reply #104 on: August 08, 2013, 12:43:40 PM »

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That leaves purge, envy24, and jaydee.

....and Soulchilde if we don't believe your Seer claim. Let's not forget this.
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« Reply #105 on: August 08, 2013, 12:45:18 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on August 07, 2013, 01:07:14 PM

Oh and Steeler if this was a larger pool game I would advocate lynching you, but we can't miss today and I won't risk testing you

Won't risk? Or can't risk it because he's your brother-in-fur?
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« Reply #106 on: August 08, 2013, 03:20:36 PM »

Quote from: JayDee on August 08, 2013, 12:39:27 PM

The more I think about it the more msteelers claim of Seer doesn't add up. Why would raven claim Seer falsely after he had been condemned? It's not like the votes could be reversed. It sounded like a burst of frustration. But then why would msteelers claim that Soulchilde is clean if he isn't the Seer? Unless the two are in cahoots together? Claim Seer when the real Seer can't contest, claim the other wolf is normal and hopefully ride that to victory?

Something doesn't add up. I'm changing my vote.

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Wolf seers can pick whomsoever they want, including villagers to bolster their position. SC is a good choice to garner support (as he's been arguably the most active - a stark contrast to "Tru1cy" of old slywink)

Thing is, they only need one successful lynch. I've been thinking about this, and here's the reason I'm not going to vote msteelers:

A) With a seer role tossed into the ring yesterday, it's pretty damned ballsy for a wolf would even want to claim that role.
B) Supposing Msteelers (and we, as a village) don't believe Raven7's claim, that would mean that Msteelers would have been claiming 1 in 8, minus Raven and the night kill. The risk that there was then a third claim, from the "real seer" would then still exist.
C) Msteelers wasn`t on the chopping block, so it`s not to save his hide. Perhaps something to make the game interesting (depending on his partner).


If a seer is lynched, does the result come back villager or seer?
Do the wolves get results of their night kill role?



I am of the belief that claiming hunter (knowing the rulesets, and playing acting at the shot) is just as plausible, though the 3 points above are by no means ironclad proof.
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« Reply #107 on: August 08, 2013, 09:19:05 PM »

Purge, I think you are going about the analysis wrong.  You shouldn't be asking why msteelers claimed Seer, you should be asking why Raven did.  When you come at it that way, and knowing that Raven is a human, I can't see an argument for Raven being anything but the Seer.  And if that is true, then for whatever reason, that makes msteelers a wolf and thus our lynch for the day.
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« Reply #108 on: August 09, 2013, 09:08:57 PM »

Buehler?
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« Reply #109 on: August 09, 2013, 09:12:28 PM »

Current vote count:

msteelers 2
envy24 1
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« Reply #110 on: August 10, 2013, 03:07:58 PM »

Come on people!  I can't do this alone.   disgust
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Dude I'm right there with you.
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« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2013, 02:52:58 AM »

Fine. msteelers
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« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2013, 09:26:41 PM »

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« Reply #114 on: August 13, 2013, 02:29:08 PM »

The vote is in. The villagers have chosen their next suspect. msteelers is escorted to the gallows mumbling "but I'm the Seer..." Only time would tell and his time was coming to an end. The villagers watched while the noose was put around his neck. Before he could say anything else the lever was pulled and down he went. Neck broken. Villagers waiting. Nothing happening. msteelers was human.

It's now Night 2.

Send in your orders.

[Open question for the players: a successful night attack by the wolves would mean 2 villagers and 2 wolves. Who wins?]
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« Reply #115 on: August 13, 2013, 04:03:49 PM »

It would take 3 votes for a majority, which means you could never kill a wolf. I would say the wolves would win.
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« Reply #116 on: August 13, 2013, 05:57:45 PM »

If at any time the # wolves = # of villagers, wolves win.

Oh, and way to go Raven.   saywhat
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« Reply #117 on: August 13, 2013, 06:08:26 PM »

Oh, and sorry msteelers.  Not sure how I would have ever done anything different given the available information though.
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« Reply #118 on: August 14, 2013, 07:43:14 PM »

Dawn breaks. Soulchilde, Purge, and JayDee go searching for stessier and envy24. Soulchilde sees envy24 sleeping near a tree, thinking it has been days since he last saw envy24 awake. Purge taps Soulchilde on the shoulder, "Hey, what's that over there?" Glancing to the side Soulchilde sees the remains of stessier, almost as if he were trying to guard over the sleeping form of envy24. After recovering from the shock Soulchilde looks back to see Purge and JayDee eyeing him...hungrily.
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« Reply #119 on: August 14, 2013, 08:33:11 PM »

On the plus side, my final assumption was right.  On the minus side, I had self protected the night before.  Ah well.  Good Game wolves.

So - what was the deal with Raven?
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