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« on: May 06, 2014, 11:09:08 AM »

Gotham trailer  a new series from Fox


I can see watching this show, but Batman will have to show up sooner or later or people will turn off
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 12:45:57 PM »

Considering batman is a kid in the trailer, I don't know how that happens unless they jump forward pretty far in the story. I like the concept, and will likely give it a shot if I remember to add it to my dvr.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 12:51:38 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on May 06, 2014, 11:09:08 AM

Gotham trailer  a new series from Fox


I can see watching this show, but Batman will have to show up sooner or later or people will turn off

Like they did for Smallville (2001-2011).
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2014, 12:40:40 PM »

I'm not so sure they need Batman. Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man haven't shown up in Agents of SHIELD yet but it's doing fine.

Plus they're going to have a roster of villains familiar to Batman fans, and they have plenty to explore with Bruce Wayne training to be Batman.

The only thing that *slightly* concerns me is whether they'll ruin the villains by turning them into angsty teenage/20-somethings.

However, Smallville pulled it off so I have a lot of optimism.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 04:52:27 PM »

I'm pretty sure the entire show concept is "before Batman" - meaning it's not intended for him to ever show up as Batman, or for that matter to be the primary character.  That cute guy from the OC/Southland is the star (forgot his name) of the show playing (I think) young Gordon.  And as the preview showed all the comic characters are kids.  I honestly don't see where they are going with it but I'll watch it just to see that main guy.  I mean is every episode going to be some sort of origin story for a different Batvillain? 
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2014, 05:57:16 PM »

Not sure what Smallville has to do with this since Clark was on Smallville. (haven't watched it, but I'm pretty sure that's correct)  Not sure it would have had the same success had he never shown up.

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2014, 06:05:13 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on May 07, 2014, 05:57:16 PM

Not sure what Smallville has to do with this since Clark was on Smallville. (haven't watched it, but I'm pretty sure that's correct)  Not sure it would have had the same success had he never shown up.



Bruce is on the show.  The murder of his parents is the key mystery, as shown in the trailer.

The comment was about Batman not showing up which makes the Smallville comment entirely appropriate. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 07:12:02 PM »

I think the difference is that Bruce on this show is just a kid (~12 years old?), whereas Clark in Smallville was several years older and using his powers a lot pretty much from the start.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2014, 08:06:18 PM »

I'm as big a Batman fan as you can get, and I have zero interest in this. Young Jim Gordon is fine but the fact that all the villains appear as kids (with the notable exception of Joker) kills it for me. Because then you wind up with another procedural cop show, only the mob boss is Carmine Falcone and a local wealthy arms dealer has the last name Cobblepot. Oh and somehow this is all connected and a sign of Bruce Wayne's destiny.

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Quote from: whiteboyskim on May 07, 2014, 08:06:18 PM

I'm as big a Batman fan as you can get, and I have zero interest in this. Young Jim Gordon is fine but the fact that all the villains appear as kids (with the notable exception of Joker) kills it for me. Because then you wind up with another procedural cop show, only the mob boss is Carmine Falcone and a local wealthy arms dealer has the last name Cobblepot. Oh and somehow this is all connected and a sign of Bruce Wayne's destiny.

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2014, 08:30:22 PM »

I often wonder what these big over-paid network execs get their money for.  This just seems like an overall poorly thought out concept for a TV series.  I mean, where do they expect to go with it over time?  Every year we get to see lil Batboy and Catgirl get a little older?  Really? 

That said, I'm still willing to give it a chance for Ben (finally remembered his first name lol).
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2014, 08:41:03 PM »

Ummm...Smallville ran for 10 seasons. That alone is enough reason for a network exec to take a chance on this.

There's plenty of material to mine here. There's a big gap between Bruce Wayne the kid and Batman that is ripe for the picking. Commissioner Gordon's younger days is another goldmine. And then you have Gotham itself - there are hundreds of good stories that could come out of that cesspool.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2014, 09:00:35 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on May 07, 2014, 08:30:22 PM

I often wonder what these big over-paid network execs get their money for.  This just seems like an overall poorly thought out concept for a TV series.  I mean, where do they expect to go with it over time?  Every year we get to see lil Batboy and Catgirl get a little older?  Really? 

That said, I'm still willing to give it a chance for Ben (finally remembered his first name lol).

I think the Batman stuff is going to be mostly in the background, and the show will be mostly a police procedural.  They're probably looking to attract fans of cop shows, organized crime dramas, and Batman.  Of course, action/spy shows are also a popular genre now, and that didn't really help Agents of SHIELD's ratings.  It's hard to tell how well the show will do, but I can see why they're taking a chance on it.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2014, 09:05:29 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on May 07, 2014, 08:41:03 PM

Ummm...Smallville ran for 10 seasons. That alone is enough reason for a network exec to take a chance on this.

There's plenty of material to mine here. There's a big gap between Bruce Wayne the kid and Batman that is ripe for the picking. Commissioner Gordon's younger days is another goldmine. And then you have Gotham itself - there are hundreds of good stories that could come out of that cesspool.

This. If they can avoid the temptation to have a never-ending stream of classic batman villains, I think this has the potential to be pretty cool. Gotham is undoubtedly a great setting, and a young Jim Gordon could be a great character.

With that said I think there's a high probability they screw this up.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2014, 11:01:58 PM »

Quote from: EddieA on May 07, 2014, 09:00:35 PM

  They're probably looking to attract fans of cop shows, organized crime dramas, and Batman. 

That leaves me out on three counts.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2014, 11:55:58 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on May 07, 2014, 08:41:03 PM

Ummm...Smallville ran for 10 seasons. That alone is enough reason for a network exec to take a chance on this.

There's plenty of material to mine here. There's a big gap between Bruce Wayne the kid and Batman that is ripe for the picking. Commissioner Gordon's younger days is another goldmine. And then you have Gotham itself - there are hundreds of good stories that could come out of that cesspool.

Smallville really isn't the best comparison, since the show focused around Clark Kent after he got his powers.  It was very directly a retelling of the Superman origin story, and by the end of the show was more or less the whole Justice League origin show from what I could tell.  Gotham appears to be about... Gotham, as you said, and only indirectly interested in Batman.  So while they may address Bruce Wayne's childhood, that kid isn't the star of the show and it doesn't appear that the goal of the show is to watch him grow up over 20 years or whatever to become Batman.  I'm just not sure the city was all that interesting in the decades before Batman, but I could be wrong.  I guess the organized crime angle could make it interesting.


P.S.  Ben McKenzie!  That's it, man been driving me crazy.  Yes I could have looked it up but that would have been too easy.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2014, 01:32:11 PM »

I would argue (from a Batman fan perspective) that Commissioner Gordon is the next best thing to the Caped Crusader himself. Gordon is an extremely popular hero in his own right. He's one of the few pure, uncorrupted good guys in Gotham, and he keeps doing his thing despite the overwhelming odds against him. Seeing how he dealt with Gotham's criminal element before he had Batman to assist could be really interesting.

Perhaps I'm just being overly optimistic, but I'm looking forward to it. In the end, it can't be worse than Joel Schumacher's train wrecks.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2014, 08:21:40 PM »

So is anyone giving this a shot?

I found the premiere pretty decent based on the acting and overall look/feel of the show, but I still have doubts as to how this is a sustainable concept.  Sure it's cute to see little Catwoman, young Poison Ivy and pre-pubescent Batman (I like that kid they chose too, he was in Touch last year) - plus Penguin and Riddler, etc. - but... how far can they take these characters and hold our interest?  I will continue to watch for Ben McKenzie, but so far he's pretty much the same character he played in Southland, except less interesting.

I think I read the show is based on a comic series, so that gives me some hope that there is a bigger overall arc/plan for the TV show, but all in all it feels like a really nice production and cast wasted on a poor premise. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2014, 08:38:22 PM »

I thought they overdid it on the villain cameos but I really liked the first episode overall.  Hopefully the cameos were mainly just to try and hook viewers and they'll tone it down a bit in episode 2.  I never watched Southland so this is my introduction to McKenzie, and he seems pretty great for the role except for the annoying lack of rectangular glasses.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2014, 08:51:36 PM »

It's in my Hulu queue, but I haven't watched it yet.  I have the same concern of longevity given there is only so much "hey look, this kid has the same name as an eventual enemy of Batman" before that gets old.  And I don't need another pure police procedural either.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2014, 11:10:00 PM »

Detective Jim Gordon realizes Gotham City is such a seething pit of corruption on his first day that he vows to dedicate his entire career to cleaning it up.  The series is about how his efforts are so well spent that fifteen years later everything is worse, every third person he ever met has become a deranged serial killer, and he has a mustache.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 11:26:28 PM »

I'm giving it a shot but honestly I don't see how the show has a long term future. It was cool novelty to see all the young versions of the various heroes and villains, but how sustainable will the stories be considering we all know that EVERYONE grows up to be adult versions of themselves fighting the same conflicts. The first episode was well done though, IMO.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2014, 11:38:04 PM »

If they focus on one major villain per season I think it could do well. I can't really think of another superhero whose hometown is as big a character as the hero himself. Metropolis without Superman is pretty boring, but Gotham without Batman still has plenty to offer.

Perhaps it's just my Batman fanboyism coming out, but I'm really excited about the show and loved the pilot.
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2014, 10:05:27 PM »

I think it'll be ok, if I can get around my comic-ingrained notion of Jim Gordon.

To me, he was a nobody, a thick-glasses-wearing grinder of a detective that worked his way from beat cop to detective over 30 freaking years - barely - and was kept in the lower ranks because he wouldn't embrace corruption. He never advanced until Batman broke the chokehold corruption had on the Gotham force.   

It's jarring to see him portrayed as the handsome action hero with the blonde bombshell girlfriend.
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« Reply #24 on: Today at 02:31:15 AM »

I watched the pilot last night and have to agree that I don't see this guy as Gordon. 

And the treatment of the villains was just too much.  Too many of them, too many things far too early.

I doubt I'll watch more than one more episode to give it another try.  Overall, I can't see this lasting unless something really improves soon. 
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« Reply #25 on: Today at 02:43:28 AM »

The ratings so far have been really good, and the critics like it. I think it will do fine.
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