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« Reply #360 on: January 27, 2015, 01:02:04 PM »

Great anecdote from MMQB this week:


This comes from Jim Steeg, who for years ran the Super Bowl and big NFL events:

“Back in the seventies, the Dolphins were going to play the Raiders in Oakland. They practiced at the Oakland Coliseum on Saturday, and in the locker room Larry Csonka found laying there the Raiders’ game plan for the next day’s game. He gave it to [Dolphins offensive line coach] Monte Clark to give to Don Shula, which Monte did.

“The next day the Dolphins got beat by the Raiders. Csonka went to Monte and asked, ‘How did we lose? We had their game plan.’

“Monte’s response: ‘I gave it to Don and he threw it in the trash. He said, ‘We do not cheat!’ ”
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« Reply #361 on: January 27, 2015, 01:39:55 PM »

The Patriots put themselves in a position to be viewed as cheaters. So now even if they're not cheating, the perception is already there. No sympathy.
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« Reply #362 on: January 27, 2015, 02:05:50 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on January 27, 2015, 01:39:55 PM

The Patriots put themselves in a position to be viewed as cheaters. So now even if they're not cheating, the perception is already there. No sympathy.

http://patskrieg.com/2015/01/23/31-reasons-to-get-off-your-high-horse-nfl/
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« Reply #363 on: January 27, 2015, 04:23:25 PM »

 Yep - That's what I was trying to say. If you're at the minimum ANY drop in pressure would make it illegal.

The new Jay Glazer video thing turns out to be a bunch of BS too.

Apparently the guy who had the balls went into the shitter and was in there for 90 seconds with both sets of balls.

Conspiracy theorists are trying to figure out how to deflate balls to Brady's alleged illegal psi and, of course, have figured out that it's plenty of time.

Sane people are saying he took a leak.

This, combined with Kraft last night, makes me think this is a witch hunt.

The combination of Belichick and Kraft making such public denials when they typically say nothing leads me to believe this is all some BS.

Ravens/Colts cried about the balls. Pats fill it to the minimum. League and media pile on. NFL needs to gain some credibility at the expense of a hated franchise so at this point they are in too deep and nobody wants to believe there is nothing to this other than a cold, rainy day and .7 psi.

Leads me to another question - Did the league really care at all?

If you say you want the balls between 12.5 and 13.5 do you really mean it?
12.5 psi and -15 degrees in Green Bay, the ball will loose something.
13.5 psi and it's 107 in Miami, the ball will gain something.

If they really wanted to control this and thought is was important wouldn't you have the refs inflate them all 13 psi and have the refs bring 'em out to the field?

That way there is no question, you take the prefernces and tampering out of the picture.

Have the QBs rough them up all they want but the refs control everything else.


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« Reply #364 on: January 27, 2015, 04:47:56 PM »

Quote from: Devil on January 27, 2015, 04:23:25 PM

If you say you want the balls between 12.5 and 13.5 do you really mean it?
12.5 psi and -15 degrees in Green Bay, the ball will loose something.
13.5 psi and it's 107 in Miami, the ball will gain something.

You are preemptively fired as my travel agent. 

And it has never hit 107 in Miami. Tongue
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« Reply #365 on: January 27, 2015, 06:33:23 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 27, 2015, 04:47:56 PM

Quote from: Devil on January 27, 2015, 04:23:25 PM

If you say you want the balls between 12.5 and 13.5 do you really mean it?
12.5 psi and -15 degrees in Green Bay, the ball will loose something.
13.5 psi and it's 107 in Miami, the ball will gain something.

You are preemptively fired as my travel agent. 

And it has never hit 107 in Miami. Tongue

Arizona?
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« Reply #366 on: January 27, 2015, 10:59:41 PM »

Since that Sharp analysis showing the Patriot's fumble rate to be some crazy anomaly is bound to be posted at some point, just go read this instead
and see why he's wrong (and possibly intentionally fudging the data)

http://drewfustin.com/2015/01/27/patriots-fumble-comments/

Or this one

http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710/
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« Reply #367 on: January 27, 2015, 11:08:35 PM »

Quote from: Devil on January 27, 2015, 06:33:23 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 27, 2015, 04:47:56 PM

Quote from: Devil on January 27, 2015, 04:23:25 PM

If you say you want the balls between 12.5 and 13.5 do you really mean it?
12.5 psi and -15 degrees in Green Bay, the ball will loose something.
13.5 psi and it's 107 in Miami, the ball will gain something.

You are preemptively fired as my travel agent. 

And it has never hit 107 in Miami. Tongue

Arizona?

Record high in Glendale, the home of the Sun Devils stadium, used prior to the opening of the UofPhoenix covered stadium.  In October.
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« Reply #368 on: January 28, 2015, 05:45:25 PM »

Quote from: forgeforsaken on January 27, 2015, 10:59:41 PM

Since that Sharp analysis showing the Patriot's fumble rate to be some crazy anomaly is bound to be posted at some point, just go read this instead
and see why he's wrong (and possibly intentionally fudging the data)

http://drewfustin.com/2015/01/27/patriots-fumble-comments/

Or this one

http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710/

Is it 187 plays or rushing attempts? They hardly run during the regular season (unless it's the Colts). Also the offense is all quick passes. AND Ridley is hurt and he fumbles a lot.

Also is this just lost fumbles? Does it count fumbles out of bounds?

The team is good and has been for 15 years. People don't like it and want a reason. "How can the Patriots be so good for so long and my team sucks? They must be cheating!!"

Hasn't Peyton Manning's teams been that good for that long? I know he's horrible in the playoffs and he's in a lot of commercials so the hate doesn't build for long. Let's take a look at that...

The Colts made the playoffs 9 out of 10 seasons from 1999-2010. I would like some research done on how many false starts the opposing offenses committed during those 10 years when the Colts were at home. We'll then attribute all those to them pumping in artificial crowd noise and see where it goes.

Someone run the numbers!!  icon_wink
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« Reply #369 on: January 29, 2015, 01:08:50 PM »

Secret to beating the pats was shown when they played the Gints in the SB: smack brady in the mouth once and he comes to pieces.  Seattle wins this.
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« Reply #370 on: January 30, 2015, 02:55:23 PM »

Quote from: ATB on January 29, 2015, 01:08:50 PM

Secret to beating the pats was shown when they played the Gints in the SB: smack brady in the mouth once and he comes to pieces.  Seattle wins this.
I like the cut of your jib, sir. 
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« Reply #371 on: January 30, 2015, 04:14:41 PM »

Quote from: Caine on January 30, 2015, 02:55:23 PM

Quote from: ATB on January 29, 2015, 01:08:50 PM

Secret to beating the pats was shown when they played the Gints in the SB: smack brady in the mouth once and he comes to pieces.  Seattle wins this.
I like the cut of your jib, sir. 

Seattle's front seven (particularly their front four) isn't as good as the Giants was though. I do agree thats the key to the game - if they can get to Brady, quickly, *without blitzing*, then Seattle has the game in hand. They don't even have to sack him, they just have to make him move his feet.

On the other side of the ball, Seattle is going to have to successfully run Marshawn against an 8 man box and Wilson will need to be extra magical because there's no way their receivers are going to get open against the Pats secondary. They struggled against the GB group and the Pats are head and shoulders better than the Packers are.

I think its going to be a good, fun, close game.
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« Reply #372 on: Today at 03:37:38 AM »

Yes - The key to beating the Pats has always been to kill Brady, but can you do it?

Like gellar said...

The Giants had a poopy secondary but it didn't matter because Brady had zero time.

Baltimore has a better D-Line than Seattle and they couldn't do it.

Seattle has an awesome secondary so that may give their front more time.

I can see this game going either way, easily.

Love to them get their 4th but who knows.

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