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« on: September 15, 2008, 12:54:41 PM »

So many people caught this?  I watched it with my wife, and she was pretty pysched, but I wasn't as excited as I expected to be.  I thought it seemed interesting, and that there's a lot of places for the show to go.  That interested me more than the actual pilot.

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2008, 01:11:44 PM »

I liked it though I did think the beginning was slow. I keep watching a few EPs to see where they go with it.

Some of the cop parts bugged me. Seemed odd to have generic cop vs boss arguments with neither really seeming that phased by what they saw on the plane, but I dont like cop drama so maybe its just me being picky. 24hr time line bugged me due to all they did in that time.

Seemed like decent enough TV though if I let my little annoyances slide by. I doubt I'll tune in right when it shows (I rarely do that for anything) but I'll watch it the next day or so on tivo.

Now if they will only remake Altered States with a female lead.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2008, 01:14:09 PM »

I caught it almost completely by accident, knew next to nothing about it, and did not expect to watch it.

When I saw it was JJ. Abrams, I decided I would give it a go.

End result:  I liked it a lot.  Especially the Anna Torv and John Noble characters.  I will follow the show until it starts to stink.

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2008, 01:30:16 PM »

I liked it, though I thought stretching it out to an hour and a half made it feel a little long. However, I read an interview with Abrams who said he thought the pilot was good but not great, and that upcoming shows would be more tightly focused. I'm definitely on board with giving it a few episodes to find its way. I like all the actors so far, and while it definitely feels a bit derivative of the X-Files, that's not necessarily a bad thing IMO. I just hope Abrams can dispense with the confusing mythology that characterizes shows like LOST, and keep this one a little more grounded.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2008, 01:48:43 PM »

Yeah, so far it seems like it's going to be X-Files with Science instead.  I saw pretty much all of the plot twists coming, but that's not to say I didn't enjoy it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2008, 02:40:14 PM »

Saw the premeire and liked it enough to want to watch more.

I bet we don't get episode 2 here.  It's been nonstop Ike coverage on the Houston stations since Thursday, I don't see em stopping any time soon.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 03:02:19 PM »

I thought it was okay... I'll watch next week and take it from there, I guess...
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 03:52:22 PM »

Quote from: kratz on September 15, 2008, 03:02:19 PM

I thought it was okay... I'll watch next week and take it from there, I guess...

Same.  It's pretty friggin absurd, but that doesn't mean it's going to be bad.  I'll keep watching.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2008, 03:56:31 PM »

I was up and down on it.  The ending 20 minutes hooked me to come back, but parts of the middle were pretty weak.  If it can improve, I'll keep watching it until Fox moves its time slot three times before cancelling it.  I wonder what week they have D. B. Sweeney slated for a guest spot?
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 06:30:14 PM »

I thought it was intriguing.  My wife was grossed out by the litteral jaw drop.

I liked the interaction between the dad and son, but I really didn't care for the female lead.  She just seemed blank during most of the show.

I'll keep on watching for a couple of episodes and see if it's worth continuing.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 07:09:42 PM »

I liked it a lot. The opening felt very X-Files with a higher budget, and there are some very good actors among the cast. The car chase was very good for a TV-show, although a little short. I was worried that this is going to turn into another show about an evil corporation and the conspiracies surrounding it, but comments from Abrams seems to indicate this is not the case.

I'm definitely in. I love Lost, so I'm confident Abrams can pull off something great again with Fringe.

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 07:11:20 PM »

BTW, am I the only one who can't see Joshua Jackson on any other show without wanting to yell 'SHUT THE FUCK UP, PACEY?'

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 07:17:07 PM »

Just an FYI for those who might not realize it, but last night was a rebroadcast of the pilot.  The show normally runs on Tuesday, so the new one is tomorrow.

And I'm going to watch for a while.  My fear is that it will turn out to be too much like the X-Files, where there are episodes that have nothing to do with the overall plot.  I know those were popular with a lot of X-File fans, but personally I prefer shows that advance the main plot at least a little bit each episode.



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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 08:05:58 PM »

By the way, all ths shows you like were imagined by Tommy Westphall.



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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 02:28:38 PM »

Anyone else watch episode 2?  I thought it was pretty good.  I'm not sure if the show will hook me, but I'll watch a few more episodes.
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2008, 02:46:05 PM »

I kinda watched the first episode while playing WAR.  it was decent, but I'm not sure it won't end up being anything more than background noise when I go to watch it, kinda like Stargate Atlantis has become.
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2008, 03:06:20 PM »

Worth watching but not worth going to CeeKay's house to watch.

I used to not blink at the freedom Muldur and Scully had to fly from case to case with very little bureaucratic interference - it was there but nothing that prevented them from investigating weird sh&t all over the country. Now, having worked at for a large corp., I marvel at the ease they established an independent unit, lab, and are now "free to move about the country". Me, I want per diem, where can I get this authorization signed and can you please get me direct deposit?  But, I tell myself, the show's the thing, not the details.

My girlfriend likes Supernatural, but while I can tolerate it and occasionally find something interesting, I was always amused that the brothers could just wave a fake badge and say FBI. ATF. Health Inspectors. LAPD. and people would just shrug and say Ok, what do want to know? Of course, I know the writers are just moving the show to the next scene and I shouldn't get hung up on the details of how they do it. Forget about who's paying the gas bills, motel charges, bail money, buying the weapons, etc. and just go with it.
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2008, 03:11:02 PM »

Supernatural is still the best horror based show on prime time.  I like Fringe and think it shows promise if they give the crazy doctor more screen time, clear up the conspiracy plot (really, it just seems tacked on at this point) and get some good talent to craft "monster of the week" shows (right now it's like they've hired all the former writers from that abysmal Night Stalker remake); but Supernatural has decent horror stories combined with some genuinely funny moments with actors who I honestly thought I would never like in a million years.  Over the course of the last few seasons, the writers on Supernatural have figured out the proper formula for the show and have it down to a science at this point.  I'm really looking forward to tomorrow night's season premiere.
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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2008, 03:27:21 PM »

I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about it after watching episode 2 for some reason.

But I'll still watch next week and see what happens.
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2008, 03:31:27 PM »

WAY too farfetched for me.  I'll keep it Tivo'd in case I'm bored, but not something I'll actively make time to watch.  I expect I'll fall behind and completely lose interest in short order.

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2008, 04:39:56 PM »

Week 2 sucked.

I'm out.
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2008, 09:39:28 PM »

I did not like week 2. If that is the direction they are going to take then I will not watch. Might catch week 3, might not.
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2008, 12:11:19 AM »

I haven't found the show to be all that interesting so far.  So far it's mediocre with high production values, so at least it has some nice special effects going for it.  I'll stick it out for a few more episodes.
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2008, 12:20:47 PM »

Not to completely derail the thread here, but...

How does the tv series Torchwood compare to this show?  I've had two different people mention it to me.

Previously to just now looking it up, I had never even heard of it.  Are Fringe and Torchwood similar? 
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2008, 02:44:57 PM »

Quote from: Lockdown on September 18, 2008, 12:20:47 PM

Not to completely derail the thread here, but...

How does the tv series Torchwood compare to this show?  I've had two different people mention it to me.

Previously to just now looking it up, I had never even heard of it.  Are Fringe and Torchwood similar? 

Torchwood is a Doctor Who spinoff, so you have aliens and all that jazz, but I can see the similarities in having a team that investigates weird stuff.  too bad it looks like the BBC is only doing a few more episodes of TW.
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2008, 03:00:10 PM »

Episode 2 was a tough call for me. It was definitely much more far-fetched than I was expecting. However, I like the characters and the concepts so I'm definitely not giving up on it yet. I'll just have to treat this one like I do Prison Break - turn off my mind and just roll with it.
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2008, 03:29:37 PM »

Quote from: Lockdown on September 18, 2008, 12:20:47 PM

Not to completely derail the thread here, but...

How does the tv series Torchwood compare to this show?  I've had two different people mention it to me.

Previously to just now looking it up, I had never even heard of it.  Are Fringe and Torchwood similar? 

I absolutely loathe Torchwood.  The guy who plays Captain Jack is just pure ham.  In small doses on Dr. Who, he's likable.  Given a leading role and he's just cheesy beyond belief.  Everything he does ends in a pose and his constant mugging for the camera just grates on me.

The stories show promise every now and again, but then the writers are forced to shoe horn in sexual content because they want the show to be "edgy".  They also seem to be under a direct mandate to make every single person on the show bisexual...even guest stars.  I'm still waiting for house pets to start copulating on screen with like genders. 

Fringe, at least so far, has been less goofy and (with the exception of jackson) a little better in the acting department.

As for content comparison, Torchwood is the Red Shoe Diaries version of X-Files, while Fringe is the Misfits of Science version of X-Files.
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2008, 04:13:51 PM »

At least if this show were like the X Files it would be good.

Wow, talk about a random-no plot - makes no sense show.  It really is just not a well written show.  Still recording but that cancel button is getting closer to being pushed.
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2008, 04:16:49 PM »

Quote from: walTer on September 18, 2008, 04:13:51 PM

At least if this show were like the X Files it would be good.

Wow, talk about a random-no plot - makes no sense show.  It really is just not a well written show.  Still recording but that cancel button is getting closer to being pushed.

define "random-no plot".  i'm not sold on the show as of yet, but i don't understand what that means.  there was a plot, it fell within the realm of the show's premise and it made sense (albeit in a goofy ass manner at times). 

as for holding it up to a standard using x-files as the measuring stick, i hope we haven't all forgotten the sheer stupidity of the conspiracy plot that chris carter tried desperately to weave into the show even when it became so moronic that it made your head spin.

i'm giving the show some leeway as it finds it footing.  i'm hoping it gets rid of the writing staff it currently has in favor of talent that wasn't culled from that horrible Night Stalker redux.  I'm also hoping they flesh out the mad doctor a bit more and don't end up making him a comic foible.  he needs to have an undertone of menace to him, imho.

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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2008, 04:30:29 PM »

Well, I just get the feeling that they are slapping a story together and then -- ok like in the last episode, there was a killer out there- and then he was a killer that was an old cold case, that oh just happened to be related to crazy doctor's work years ago, that just happened to be a case that had a huge emotional effect on the FBI agent (forget her name now), then he was and experiment from a co-worker of crazy dude and low and behold it is part of the Pattern....what?

The entire episode made absolutely no sense if you are trying to weave a story.... merely slapping random events together with weak plot lines and then claiming they are part of a Pattern, is poor story telling.  It's really not a great show.  Oh and for what it is worth, pulling out that bionic arm was just silly. (from the premiere)

As for the X Files, I meant when it was good...which really was a lot of the time.

Oh and crazy doctor really is a great character...imho the best on the show.
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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2008, 04:35:22 PM »

I'm still hoping that there is a deeper underlying thread to all this that we're just not seeing yet in regards to The Pattern, the personalities involved, etc. I'm not convinced it's so much lazy writing as it is just a situation in which the audience just doesn't have all the facts yet. What seems like rolly-eyes coincidence now may turn out to be perfectly logical as we are filled in with what exactly the Pattern is and who is behind it.
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2008, 05:16:07 PM »

We had an isolation tank and Blair Brown in the first episode. That made me smile.

Wife loves it. I'm meh. I'll keep watching it for a while to see where it goes.
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2008, 05:16:53 PM »

Quote from: walTer on September 18, 2008, 04:30:29 PM

Well, I just get the feeling that they are slapping a story together and then -- ok like in the last episode, there was a killer out there- and then he was a killer that was an old cold case, that oh just happened to be related to crazy doctor's work years ago, that just happened to be a case that had a huge emotional effect on the FBI agent (forget her name now), then he was and experiment from a co-worker of crazy dude and low and behold it is part of the Pattern....what?



are you talking about the pilot?  they went to get the doctor because he was involved in similar research years ago.  that wasn't random.

if you're talking about the latest episode, the "Pattern" is the underlying theme. the team was directed to this case by higher ups who are part of this conspiracy.  it remains to be seen how random this was.  you're crying foul before the rules have been explained or even explored.  for someone who loved the x-files, that seems rather strange.   icon_wink
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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2008, 08:17:54 PM »

smile

You definitely like the show more than me....I am in the "the show is pretty crummy" boat but still willing to watch it.  But not for much longer...I know that the ratings were already not all that great.

btw, I understand how it all goes together, I just think it was done very poorly with a very lame "Pattern" bit of glue to hold  it all together.  I am just not feeling the love here.
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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2008, 09:34:53 PM »

Quote from: walTer on September 18, 2008, 08:17:54 PM

You definitely like the show more than me....I am in the "the show is pretty crummy" boat but still willing to watch it.  But not for much longer...I know that the ratings were already not all that great.

Actually, the ratings were much better for this episode then they were for the pilot.  According to Variety, the pilot got a disappointing 3.2 share while this week it got a 5.1.  Considering House got a 5.6 leading into it, that's not bad at all.

Of course next week will tell how many of those House viewers stay interested.

Edit: I'm now seeing list of top shows last week and Fringe is rated pretty highly, much higher than the Variety article I was looking at earlier.  Not sure what that was about, unless Variety only cited the Sunday night rebroadcast and forgot about the Tuesday showing.


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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2008, 11:29:22 PM »

Quote from: Sarkus on September 18, 2008, 09:34:53 PM

Quote from: walTer on September 18, 2008, 08:17:54 PM

You definitely like the show more than me....I am in the "the show is pretty crummy" boat but still willing to watch it.  But not for much longer...I know that the ratings were already not all that great.

Actually, the ratings were much better for this episode then they were for the pilot.  According to Variety, the pilot got a disappointing 3.2 share while this week it got a 5.1.  Considering House got a 5.6 leading into it, that's not bad at all.

Of course next week will tell how many of those House viewers stay interested.

Edit: I'm now seeing list of top shows last week and Fringe is rated pretty highly, much higher than the Variety article I was looking at earlier.  Not sure what that was about, unless Variety only cited the Sunday night rebroadcast and forgot about the Tuesday showing.


The 5.2 rating is for viewers 18-49. Variety typically reports 18-49 demographic ratings instead of full viewership ratings, because that's the most important demographic for advertisers.
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2008, 12:49:54 AM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on September 18, 2008, 11:29:22 PM

Quote from: Sarkus on September 18, 2008, 09:34:53 PM

Quote from: walTer on September 18, 2008, 08:17:54 PM

You definitely like the show more than me....I am in the "the show is pretty crummy" boat but still willing to watch it.  But not for much longer...I know that the ratings were already not all that great.

Actually, the ratings were much better for this episode then they were for the pilot.  According to Variety, the pilot got a disappointing 3.2 share while this week it got a 5.1.  Considering House got a 5.6 leading into it, that's not bad at all.

Of course next week will tell how many of those House viewers stay interested.

Edit: I'm now seeing list of top shows last week and Fringe is rated pretty highly, much higher than the Variety article I was looking at earlier.  Not sure what that was about, unless Variety only cited the Sunday night rebroadcast and forgot about the Tuesday showing.


The 5.2 rating is for viewers 18-49. Variety typically reports 18-49 demographic ratings instead of full viewership ratings, because that's the most important demographic for advertisers.

Ahh, that makes sense.  The straight Nielsen numbers suggest the share on both the pilot and this last week were in the 9 range.  Last week's numbers were good enough for the show to #12 for the week, but until we get through the premier period, it's hard to really judge a show's real impact.
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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2008, 03:09:41 PM »

Man, folks is pretty fickle.  The consensus seemed to be that the pilot was good, and the second episode was not as good, and a lot of people are writing it off already.

This is why shows like Firefly got canceled.  Give it a chance to get its legs under it.  Especially with something like this, where a long constructed plotline is implied, I don't know that it's fair to write it off as a crappy show after two episodes.  I agree that the pilot was generally stronger than the second episode, but I'm still in.

And I hope my DVR remembered to tape Supernatural last night.  If I missed the premiere, I'm gonna be angry.  I love that show a lot.
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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2008, 03:24:57 PM »

Firefly was a great show from episode 1 on.
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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2008, 03:48:41 PM »

Whedon is a rarity, however.  The man's talent is so friggin' great that he hits the ground running with anything he does.  Since we can't clone the man and have him write every show on television, we have to hope that other writers develop the same level of writing over time that Whedon just whips out of his sleeve on a minute's notice.   icon_wink

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