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« on: June 26, 2010, 02:00:41 AM »

Kind of think once you get over 6 walks you should lose credit for a no-hitter. But over 150 pitches...
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 02:14:31 AM »

I guess hitters suck in baseball now?  Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2010, 02:20:33 AM »

Pitchers must be on the juice.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2010, 02:25:48 AM »

Quote from: Teggy on June 26, 2010, 02:00:41 AM

Kind of think once you get over 6 walks you should lose credit for a no-hitter. But over 150 pitches...

149 pitches.

And it's not called a no-walker for a reason.  Do that, along with no hitting a team, and you get a perfect game (which I'm sure you already know).

Nevertheless, an impressive, gutsy performance considering how sloppily he began.  Keep in mind he faced 37 batters during the course of the game...
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2010, 02:38:16 AM »

I just think if you walk 8 guys there should be an asterisk or something. How about perfect game, then no-hitter, then "imperfect game"?
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2010, 02:42:11 AM »

Quote from: Teggy on June 26, 2010, 02:38:16 AM

I just think if you walk 8 guys there should be an asterisk or something. How about perfect game, then no-hitter, then "imperfect game"?

We'll agree to disagree.  Anyway, there's "imperfect games" every day.  smile

Keep in mind that TB stranded every one of those walks.  They had their chances to cash in...
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2010, 02:52:27 AM »

Hey, if one of the Mets walks 20 guys without giving up a hit, I'll be glad to call it a no hitter.
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2010, 03:03:14 AM »

Quote from: Gromit on June 26, 2010, 02:42:11 AM

Quote from: Teggy on June 26, 2010, 02:38:16 AM

I just think if you walk 8 guys there should be an asterisk or something. How about perfect game, then no-hitter, then "imperfect game"?

We'll agree to disagree.  Anyway, there's "imperfect games" every day.  smile

Keep in mind that TB stranded every one of those walks.  They had their chances to cash in...
   
So, that brings up a question for me. If he were to have walked bases loaded, then walked in a run. Still a no-hitter?
   
I suppose so, but I'd never really thought of that scenario before (may have even happened before).
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2010, 03:11:57 AM »

Yes it would still be a no hitter.



To me a no hitter facing 37 guys is more impressive than a no hitter facing 28 guys.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 03:18:55 AM »

Quote from: Qantaga on June 26, 2010, 03:03:14 AM

Quote from: Gromit on June 26, 2010, 02:42:11 AM

Quote from: Teggy on June 26, 2010, 02:38:16 AM

I just think if you walk 8 guys there should be an asterisk or something. How about perfect game, then no-hitter, then "imperfect game"?

We'll agree to disagree.  Anyway, there's "imperfect games" every day.  smile

Keep in mind that TB stranded every one of those walks.  They had their chances to cash in...
   
So, that brings up a question for me. If he were to have walked bases loaded, then walked in a run. Still a no-hitter?
   
I suppose so, but I'd never really thought of that scenario before (may have even happened before).

It's happened twice, according to Baseball Reference.com:

There have also been two games in which a team has had a no-hitter thrown for them but has lost. The first occurred on April 23, 1964, as Ken Johnson of the Houston Colt .45's was beaten 1 - 0 by the Cincinnati Reds. In the top of the ninth, Johnson allowed a run to score on two errors, and in the bottom of the frame the Houston bats came up empty. He remains the only pitcher to lose a complete game nine-inning no-hitter.

Three years later, in 1967, Steve Barber and Stu Miller of the Baltimore Orioles pitched a combined no-hitter, but lost 2 - 1 to the Detroit Tigers. In the top of the ninth, two runs were scored on three walks, a wild pitch, and two errors.
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2010, 04:04:11 AM »

Quote from: Gromit on June 26, 2010, 03:18:55 AM

It's happened twice, according to Baseball Reference.com:

There have also been two games in which a team has had a no-hitter thrown for them but has lost. The first occurred on April 23, 1964, as Ken Johnson of the Houston Colt .45's was beaten 1 - 0 by the Cincinnati Reds. In the top of the ninth, Johnson allowed a run to score on two errors, and in the bottom of the frame the Houston bats came up empty. He remains the only pitcher to lose a complete game nine-inning no-hitter.

Three years later, in 1967, Steve Barber and Stu Miller of the Baltimore Orioles pitched a combined no-hitter, but lost 2 - 1 to the Detroit Tigers. In the top of the ninth, two runs were scored on three walks, a wild pitch, and two errors.

   
Very interesting.
     
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2010, 04:09:03 AM »

Wow. Just heard on Baseball Tonight that pitch #149 was at 94 mph (and down in the zone). Pretty impressive.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2010, 10:27:11 PM »

Amazing.
 
Tim Kurkjian was on Sportscenter. He said that Edwin Jackson's 8 walks in the no-hitter were twice as many as Cliff Lee has ALL YEAR.
     
Lee only has 4 walks in 11 starts, and yet he wasn't good enough for the Phillies. smile
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2010, 10:51:06 PM »

Is this the 3rd or 4th time Tampa Bay has been no-hit or perfect-gamed in the last two seasons?
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2010, 12:20:04 AM »

jay that actually miiiiiiight have been the 4th smile

and teggy your head must have REALLY asploded last year when wake got a no hitter... in 5 innings smile (game was called after the 5th)
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2010, 02:34:00 AM »

Quote from: JayDee on June 26, 2010, 10:51:06 PM

Is this the 3rd or 4th time Tampa Bay has been no-hit or perfect-gamed in the last two seasons?

Third.

Mark Buerhle (CWS) tossed a perfect game against TB on July 23rd 2009.
Dallas Braden (OAK) threw a perfect game against TB on May 9th 2010.
Edwin Jackson threw a no-hitter against TB on June 25th 2010.

The 4th one was tossed by Derek Lowe (BOS) on April 27th 20002 (no-hitter).
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2010, 03:22:49 AM »

Quote from: Doopri on June 27, 2010, 12:20:04 AM


and teggy your head must have REALLY asploded last year when wake got a no hitter... in 5 innings smile (game was called after the 5th)

Who did what now?
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2010, 04:14:16 AM »

oh weird for some reason i thought you were from boston area...

last year tim wakefield (boston red sox) threw a no hitter... in a five inning game.  forgot who it was against, but they had played the 5 innings needed for it to be a regulation game before it was called due to rain.  at that point he hadnt given up any hits, so he had (yup!) a no hitter!

*edit* though i guess that isnt a "real" no hitter - do they have to be 9 innings?  for some reason i also think there was another one a few years back for the sox that was similar
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2010, 03:08:57 PM »

Pitching is definitely back in MLB.  I am glad, it makes the game so much better imo.  Pretty amazing too since there has been a conscious effort by MLB for shrinking of the strike zone over the last 2 seasons.
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2010, 05:28:32 PM »

Quote from: Doopri on June 27, 2010, 04:14:16 AM

oh weird for some reason i thought you were from boston area...

last year tim wakefield (boston red sox) threw a no hitter... in a five inning game.  forgot who it was against, but they had played the 5 innings needed for it to be a regulation game before it was called due to rain.  at that point he hadnt given up any hits, so he had (yup!) a no hitter!

*edit* though i guess that isnt a "real" no hitter - do they have to be 9 innings?  for some reason i also think there was another one a few years back for the sox that was similar

Yeah, I am from the Boston area, but I didn't recall that.
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