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« on: November 22, 2004, 07:46:44 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 08:46:52 AM »

SKS isn't a hunting rifle, at least I never thought of one that way.  Maybe that guy was enacting some kind of end of the world scenario.  

I wonder what other hunters in the area made of all the shooting? I mean, you gotta figure that if that guy you hear over the next ridge can't hit that deer with the first FIVE shots, that the next 10 ain't gonna be much help.  :shock:
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 09:03:59 AM »

"He was “chasing after them and killing them,” he said." Ok, that quote made me laugh. For whatever odd reason the wording tickled me. However, the sentence in the next paragraph took all the humor out of the article. Killing women and children= :evil:  

Not that killing grown men is ok...

...it isn't.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 09:16:58 AM »

After doing some more reading on this story, maybe hearing a shitload of gunshots in that area might not have been a tipoff that something was seriously out of whack.

But those buddies that were called on the radio, how in the hell did they get taken down?  I assume their friend said something like "we need help! we're being shot at, some of us are hit!".  So I figure they(more than one) came armed and ready, and yet they got the short end of the stick.  Something is weird about this story.

edit: I guess the SKS isn't an unusual hunting rifle in that area either. But if someone was able to write down his license number, why couldn't they shoot him? Strange story.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 12:17:26 PM »

I've had an SKS before.It's basically an assault rifle. It can be used for hunting of course and indeed that's one of the reasons I bought mine(Y2K and all that). The standard sights aren't that great so it's best used for short range hunting.
It's just unfathomable to me why this guy got so worked up. Now if he had been cut off in traffic I could understand it..................... :wink:
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2004, 12:22:26 PM »

I used to go hunting poachers on my land and the first thing I learned was to go armed and find a good hiding place to observe them before letting them know I was there. Ah,there's nothing like watching them run down the hill after shooting a couple branches off from about their heads.
Ah,the good olde days............................. :lol:


(and yes,I'm afraid that's a true story  :shock:  )
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2004, 10:06:08 PM »

Doesn't seem like good advertisement for hunting to me. Of course I've never understood the appeal of hunting. What is it that makes a person want to go grab a gun, climb a tree, and then from a safe distance away from the deer shoot and kill it. Does it make you feel like a big man? Does it make you feel proud that you overpowered a creature that was no threat to you? I don't understand, could someone please enlighten me?

If you want to hunt a deer, do it with nothing but your body. Cause the deer only has his, and has no way to defend its own life from some farthead sitting in a tree with a gun.

I'm sour on hunters because the one I knew personally shot and killed his dog because the dog, get this, growled at his son when his son punched the dog in the face.

His son was 10 years old at that time. I'd have told the kid not to abuse animals or else he might get bitten by ol' fluffy the wonderdog.

Instead this guy loaded up his "tools" to go hunting one day and brought the dog along (who apparantly enjoyed going with his loving friend on these trips). On this trip, after he finished hunting, he pointed the gun at his dog and shot the dog in the head point blank. No warning, no preamble, just pointed and shot the dog.

"I didn't want a dog that growls at my son," was his only comment on the subject.

I'm not friends with that individual anymore. I also don't like "hunters" now because of it. They are a selfish bunch, with absolutely no compassion. Ever watch those hunting shows? "Gee whiz! YOU SHOT HIM GOOD! Look at the size of them antlers. Boy those will look good mounted on the wall!"

I'm not all PETA or anything, but I don't like it when people hunt who don't need to hunt.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2004, 10:26:18 PM »

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It's just unfathomable to me why this guy got so worked up. Now if he had been cut off in traffic I could understand it..................... :wink:


what we're probably not hearing is how they asked him to leave. With a name like Chai Vang I wouldn't be surprised if these good ol boys asked rather impolitely and with many a racial slur.  Something tells me we didn't get the whole story. I'm not saying that it was ok for them to be murdered but that something had to set him off.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2004, 10:32:07 PM »

Pretty sad that they were all hunters and could'nt take down 1 guy.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2004, 10:45:13 PM »

All the people who were shot were unarmed.  A few intially went out to tell the trespasser to leave the property.

I use to be a hunter but never a deer hunter.  Never seemed to sporting to me.  I preferred the skill type of hunts.  Most of today's hunters are just doing it out of tradition and an excuse to get away from the old lady.  The problem is that these hunters are too far removed from country life and don't respect landowners.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2004, 10:49:03 PM »

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It's just unfathomable to me why this guy got so worked up. Now if he had been cut off in traffic I could understand it..................... :wink:


what we're probably not hearing is how they asked him to leave. With a name like Chai Vang I wouldn't be surprised if these good ol boys asked rather impolitely and with many a racial slur.  Something tells me we didn't get the whole story. I'm not saying that it was ok for them to be murdered but that something had to set him off.


The race card will be played pretty quickly in this case.  I suspect in a day or two.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 03:35:18 AM »

Race Card or not, you don't shoot someone unless they're pointing their weapons at you and threatening to kill you, and even then try to figure out a better solution. 5 people died because someone lost his cool.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 08:02:59 AM »

Well, the story is making more sense now.  There was only one gun among the hunters killed for one thing. For another, when the call for help was made, it was only regarding a trespassing hunter, no shooting was mentioned at that point.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 09:21:50 AM »

Another one died. Looks like it might be a racial thing too. This sure isn't going to make it better...... :cry:
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 12:25:04 PM »

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Well, the story is making more sense now.  There was only one gun among the hunters killed for one thing. For another, when the call for help was made, it was only regarding a trespassing hunter, no shooting was mentioned at that point.


Only one gun among the hunters killed? Sounds like more of a camping trip than a hunting trip then.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 01:23:58 PM »

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I'm not friends with that individual anymore. I also don't like "hunters" now because of it. They are a selfish bunch, with absolutely no compassion. Ever watch those hunting shows? "Gee whiz! YOU SHOT HIM GOOD! Look at the size of them antlers. Boy those will look good mounted on the wall!"


Way to eviscerate an entire population based on the actions of one individual!  Don't you think you're being slightly unfair?  I understand that this guy was a jackhole, but even in a group of nuns there's gonna be at least one complete asshat.

As to the antlers bit, not everybody hunts solely for trophies.  I don't have figures, but judging from the hunters I know, very few hunters do.
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2004, 06:43:47 PM »

Growing up in the wilderness of Atlantic Canada I can say that I've done my fair share of hunting.  However I can honestly say that I've never hunted purely for the sake of killing animals.  Strictly for food, or money.  For a young man (junior high school age) it can be a rather lucrative way to make some money in the winter time.  Trapping rabbits and foxes for the pelts can bring in some decent coin.  I remember there was a time when you could get $75 for a coyote hide.  Mind you, I was fortunate enough to learn my hunting and survival skills the right way, the way that respects nature.  I couldn't imagine killing something for fun.  Those hunting shows on TV are disgraceful.  Atleast the fishing shows enforce the catch and release rule.

That reminds me, if any of yall happens to come across some rabbit meat this winter let me know.  I haven't had a good rabbit stew in years!  I don't even know if rabbits exist in this end of Florida.  If they're anything like the deer (Key Deer) which are the size of a large dog, then they're more likely no bigger than a chipmunk and you'd need like 50 of em to get enough meat to make a stew.
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2004, 08:03:16 PM »

Disturbing story. Apparently the killer was a 20 year army veteran, my guess is he was trained to shoot to kill. I'm sure the people used some nasty words to get the guy off their property. Unfortunately, i'm going to have to put my lawyer hat on and say that if they guy can prove that he felth that he was in imminent harm and that his use of deadly force was justified, then he may be able to get manslaughter rather than murder. The fact that this is also a trespass case, may make it worse though. Still sad for the victims.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2004, 08:20:49 PM »

Race card played:  Read this morning that there were a lot of problems betwene the locals whites and a large group of asian immigrants (I forgot specifics, but doesn't matter).  Says the asians don't know how to respect private property laws.

Personally, this story sucks and I can't believe people would laugh at it in any way.  I mean some kid and some lady died in addition to some hunters.  That sux.  Just plain sux.
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