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« on: September 01, 2007, 07:53:51 PM »

Thats right folks #5 Michigan in the big house falls to Div 1AA Appalachian state..Michigan had a shot to win on a last second field goal but it was blocked to seal the win for the Mountaineers.   
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2007, 08:14:00 PM »

well at least OSU won.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2007, 08:38:14 PM »

That is amazing.  What's the over/under on how long it will be until Carr gets canned?
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 09:26:45 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on September 01, 2007, 08:38:14 PM

That is amazing.  What's the over/under on how long it will be until Carr gets canned?


Isn't this Carrs last year anyway? I thought I read he was going to retire after this season.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2007, 09:31:08 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2007, 11:07:44 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2007, 02:46:55 AM »

Do remember that App State is the two time reigning National Champion. Michigan got caught sleeping and the App State coaches watched more film than anyone and had the best gameplan in place to be Michigan. Congratulations. I think it's great that David sinks Goliath, now that D1-AA teams can beat 1-A teams who will these big programs schedule to beat up on next? Central Omaha State Polytech A&M??
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2007, 04:43:10 AM »

Awesome.  I was so excited to see this.  Not that I hate Michigan, but I love CFB and rooting for the underdog.

And Tennessee lost as well.  A great weekend so far!
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2007, 05:06:06 AM »

Awesome. Pure glory. I don't like Lloyd Carr, thats for sure, and App State deserved it-freaking awesome upset.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2007, 02:23:43 AM »

I know nothing about college football.  I just happened to see the last 2 minutes of the game on YouTube though.  Can someone please explain why this is an upset?
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2007, 02:33:20 AM »

Quote from: Canuck on September 03, 2007, 02:23:43 AM

I know nothing about college football.  I just happened to see the last 2 minutes of the game on YouTube though.  Can someone please explain why this is an upset?

Michigan is the winningest program in college football (iirc), and a near constant in the top 25.  They were ranked 5th in the country before yesterday's upset.  App. State is a DI-AA program, which is the college football equivalent of a JV team.   Michigan was favored by 35 points going into the game.   In the history of college football, no Division IAA team has ever beaten a ranked team before, much less a team in the top 5.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2007, 03:05:32 AM »

JV?

Why are those two teams even playing each other if they're in completely different leagues?
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2007, 03:36:10 AM »

Because big programs like to schedule patsies to begin the season as a "tune-up".  Teams play a certain number of games inside their conference, and the athletic directors schedule "out-of-conference" games with other schools on an individual basis until they get to the maximum number of games in a season.  When they schedule I-AA schools, it's because they get a win and a chance to stretch their legs at real game speed, and the other school gets a payday because of their share of the gate receipts.  These sort of games are always held at the major school's stadium, because Michigan isn't going to travel to wherever the hell Appalachian State actually plays.  They're effectively meaningless in the polls which determine college football's standings because the expectation is that it's a lopsided matchup. 

Of course, it'll be entertaining to see what happens to UM given that this wasn't some 9-7 grindout, but a real high-scoring affair (which implies Michigan's defense isn't exactly going to dominate the Big Ten).

Oh yeah, one more thing: the Big Ten is inferior to the Pac-10, which is the greatest of all college football conferences, but which gets no love in the aforementioned polls because of The East Coast Bias.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2007, 04:15:59 AM »

All I know is that Michigan completely and utterly BLEW their chance of getting into the Big Ten this year. They lost to a nobody (as far as they're concerned). It's...it's like losing to the Arizona Cardinals. You get ridiculed for months for that. biggrin
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2007, 04:58:43 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 03:36:10 AM

Oh yeah, one more thing: the Big Ten is inferior to the Pac-10, which is the greatest of all college football conferences, but which gets no love in the aforementioned polls because of The East Coast Bias.

Actually they get no love because the SEC is better. icon_wink

USC could probably beat any SEC team, but who else stacks up?  Well, I am glad Cal beat Tennessee, but still.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2007, 05:32:41 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 03:36:10 AM

wah wah wah wah wah inferior wah Pac-10, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.

you need to speak up.  us people over hear can barely hear you west coasters.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2007, 05:38:00 AM »

I read an article in the SRV Times (Bay Area) about how no one gives the Pac-10 respect.  Made it even better to see Cal beat Tenn.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2007, 06:42:14 AM »

More truisms for Canadians who want to understand NCAA Football:

1.  Outside of people in Indiana, no one ever wants to see Notre Dame play.  Ever.  Happily, they've been outscored 118-41 in their last three games.
2.  Every team in Florida pays their recruits.  Sometimes in escorts, sometimes in steaks.
3.  There's still no playoff system, so we're stuck with competing popularity contests to determine who gets to play in the Awkwardly Name Product Bowl.
4.  Speaking of bowl games, it is a travesty that the Rose Bowl is no longer played between the winner of the Pac-10 and Big Ten.
5.  SEC teams are supposedly known for their defense.  That's why Tennessee only surrendered 45 points to Cal.  Not quite as delightful as USC's 70-17 shellacking of Arkansas two years ago though.
6.  Don James is the greatest football coach of all time, and his opponents feared him so much that they fooled developmentally disabled quarterback Billy Joe Hobert into taking money from a booster, causing James' resignation in protest.
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2007, 12:42:47 PM »

So this would be like the Plymouth Whalers beating the Red Wings in the Stanley Cup final right?  Talk to me in language I understand people! smile  I really don't get how you Yankees go crazy over college football.  I bet you most Canadians couldn't tell you a single Canadian university football team if you asked them.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2007, 02:01:32 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 03, 2007, 05:32:41 AM

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 03:36:10 AM

wah wah wah wah wah inferior wah Pac-10, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.

you need to speak up.  us people over hear can barely hear you west coasters.

Yeah, I suppose it would be hard to hear with your head up your...  slywink

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2007, 05:59:23 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 06:42:14 AM

More truisms for Canadians who want to understand NCAA Football:

1.  Outside of people in Indiana, no one ever wants to see Notre Dame play.  Ever.  Happily, they've been outscored 118-41 in their last three games.

as someone who grew up in Indiana (but can't stand ND), i used to think this was true.  since i moved to connecticut, however, i've found it to be entirely untrue.  apparently the lack of real college football teams in the new england area forces people to look for another team to watch...and a surprising number of them go with ND due to the popularity of their name.  it's sad really...
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2007, 06:03:21 PM »

That's disappointing.  I'd expect them to go with BC, because Flutie mullets never go out of style.

I suppose it's like bandwagon USC fans on the west coast.  Frankly, I'm surprised that USC alums can root for USC, much less people who've never actually attended school there.
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2007, 06:12:23 PM »

Quote from: Gratch on September 03, 2007, 02:01:32 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 03, 2007, 05:32:41 AM

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 03:36:10 AM

wah wah wah wah wah inferior wah Pac-10, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah.

you need to speak up.  us people over hear can barely hear you west coasters.

Yeah, I suppose it would be hard to hear with your head up your...  slywink



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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2007, 07:23:26 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 06:42:14 AM

More truisms for Canadians who want to understand NCAA Football:

1.  Outside of people in Indiana, no one ever wants to see Notre Dame play.  Ever.  Happily, they've been outscored 118-41 in their last three games.
2.  Every team in Florida pays their recruits.  Sometimes in escorts, sometimes in steaks.
3.  There's still no playoff system, so we're stuck with competing popularity contests to determine who gets to play in the Awkwardly Name Product Bowl.
4.  Speaking of bowl games, it is a travesty that the Rose Bowl is no longer played between the winner of the Pac-10 and Big Ten.
5.  SEC teams are supposedly known for their defense.  That's why Tennessee only surrendered 45 points to Cal.  Not quite as delightful as USC's 70-17 shellacking of Arkansas two years ago though.
6.  Don James is the greatest football coach of all time, and his opponents feared him so much that they fooled developmentally disabled quarterback Billy Joe Hobert into taking money from a booster, causing James' resignation in protest.

I agre with this entire post except for #6, and your irrational hatred of USC, of which I am a fan and where I have family that works and has attended. Oh, and Notre Dame, as predicted, sucks total ass yet again. Bravo. And the myth of this SEC defense and dominance is getting so very, very old.
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2007, 07:26:50 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 06:03:21 PM

I suppose it's like bandwagon USC fans on the west coast.  Frankly, I'm surprised that USC alums can root for USC, much less people who've never actually attended school there.

Funny.  I have friends who find it hard *not* to root for USC.  They clearly have the best talent in the nation, are coached by a likeable guy, and play a style of game that is visually entertaining.  The only knocks against them that I can see are that they get INSANE media attention (which can get annoying) and the possibility of NCAA violations, which have not yet proven to be true. 

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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2007, 07:41:24 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 03, 2007, 04:15:59 AM

All I know is that Michigan completely and utterly BLEW their chance of getting into the Big Ten this year.

I'm fairly sure, their historical loss aside, Michigan is still a part of the Big Ten...(you meant BCS, didn't you?)

And Calvin I'd hold the gloating.  At least Michigan had more than 110 yards of offense yesterday... slywink
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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2007, 07:46:04 PM »

Its so nice to see all the bickering and pointing going against michigan now.   I finally have a team to pick on since my Sooners of the big 2 south lost to Boise last year.  And yes its the big 2 south conferance until some of the other 9 teams become good again. 
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2007, 08:18:52 PM »

Quote from: soulbringer on September 03, 2007, 07:46:04 PM

Its so nice to see all the bickering and pointing going against Michigan now. 

It couldn't happen to a nicer team.
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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2007, 09:11:26 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on September 03, 2007, 08:18:52 PM

Quote from: soulbringer on September 03, 2007, 07:46:04 PM

Its so nice to see all the bickering and pointing going against Michigan now. 

It couldn't happen to a nicer team.

Notre Dame...
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2007, 10:35:15 PM »

Quote from: Eightball on September 03, 2007, 07:41:24 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 03, 2007, 04:15:59 AM

All I know is that Michigan completely and utterly BLEW their chance of getting into the Big Ten this year.

I'm fairly sure, their historical loss aside, Michigan is still a part of the Big Ten...(you meant BCS, didn't you?)

And Calvin I'd hold the gloating.  At least Michigan had more than 110 yards of offense yesterday... slywink

8, what the hell does gloating about Michigan losing to App State have to do with UVA losing to a Wyoming team that was actaully pretty good last year (6 wins and a bowl)? I mean, these are different conferences right? So, they aren't very good, yep, not surprised. Lost all their talent to the NFL and Groh isn't doing much to my chagrin-since I genuinely like the man. I mean, I know its tough to compare against Maryland, when they play against powerhouses Villanova (JMU is one of their rivals!!) and...you guessed it, new to 1A Florida International. The Cavs are going to suck this year, but we haven't quite mastered Maryland when it comes to scheduling down yet.
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« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2007, 10:35:38 PM »

Quote from: Eightball on September 03, 2007, 09:11:26 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 03, 2007, 08:18:52 PM

Quote from: soulbringer on September 03, 2007, 07:46:04 PM

Its so nice to see all the bickering and pointing going against Michigan now. 

It couldn't happen to a nicer team.

Notre Dame...

Oh GT and the ACC stuck it right in their pompous asses too. It was glorious.
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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2007, 10:37:58 PM »

Quote from: gellar on September 03, 2007, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 06:03:21 PM

I suppose it's like bandwagon USC fans on the west coast.  Frankly, I'm surprised that USC alums can root for USC, much less people who've never actually attended school there.

Funny.  I have friends who find it hard *not* to root for USC.  They clearly have the best talent in the nation, are coached by a likeable guy, and play a style of game that is visually entertaining.  The only knocks against them that I can see are that they get INSANE media attention (which can get annoying) and the possibility of NCAA violations, which have not yet proven to be true. 

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in a touching moment, the Trojans lined up for their first extra-point attempt against Idaho without a kicker, intentionally accepting the delay of game penalty in honor of Mario Danelo, USC’s much-beloved kicker the past two seasons, who died last January when he fell from a cliff near his hometown in San Pedro, Calif. The crowd at the Coliseum at first seemed confused but then began cheering when they figured out what had happened.
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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2007, 11:12:57 PM »

Quote from: gellar on September 03, 2007, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 06:03:21 PM

I suppose it's like bandwagon USC fans on the west coast.  Frankly, I'm surprised that USC alums can root for USC, much less people who've never actually attended school there.

Funny.  I have friends who find it hard *not* to root for USC.  They clearly have the best talent in the nation, are coached by a likeable guy, and play a style of game that is visually entertaining.  The only knocks against them that I can see are that they get INSANE media attention (which can get annoying) and the possibility of NCAA violations, which have not yet proven to be true. 

I assume your friends are also Yankee fans.  And Patriot fans.  And since when is Pete Carroll likeable for anyone other than an LA County resident??  Remember when he repeatedly shouted "FUCK YOU!  FUCK YOU!" at Mike Bellotti after a successful challenge of a call?

Oh, and I assume by "not yet", you're conceding that it's just a matter of time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ys-bushprobe
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7174648

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"I think they're going to get hammered. You cannot penalize Oklahoma like they did and let this Reggie Bush thing go. The day of reckoning is coming."

If you pay your players, someone will eventually find out.

Look, to be clear, I'd root for the Trojans against any other conference, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.  Same goes with Oregon.  Ugh.
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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2007, 11:15:11 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 11:12:57 PM

Quote from: gellar on September 03, 2007, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 06:03:21 PM

I suppose it's like bandwagon USC fans on the west coast.  Frankly, I'm surprised that USC alums can root for USC, much less people who've never actually attended school there.

Funny.  I have friends who find it hard *not* to root for USC.  They clearly have the best talent in the nation, are coached by a likeable guy, and play a style of game that is visually entertaining.  The only knocks against them that I can see are that they get INSANE media attention (which can get annoying) and the possibility of NCAA violations, which have not yet proven to be true. 

I assume your friends are also Yankee fans.  And Patriot fans.  And since when is Pete Carroll likeable for anyone other than an LA County resident??  Remember when he repeatedly shouted "FUCK YOU!  FUCK YOU!" at Mike Bellotti after a successful challenge of a call?

Oh, and I assume by "not yet", you're conceding that it's just a matter of time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ys-bushprobe
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7174648

Delightful money quote from a former NCAA investigator (and Sooner fan, unfortunately):

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"I think they're going to get hammered. You cannot penalize Oklahoma like they did and let this Reggie Bush thing go. The day of reckoning is coming."

If you pay your players, someone will eventually find out.

Look, to be clear, I'd root for the Trojans against any other conference, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.  Same goes with Oregon.  Ugh.

Pats and Yanks are scum of the earth sir.
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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2007, 11:29:21 PM »

Yes.  There's a reason I grouped them with the Trojans!  Fairweather bandwagon fans!
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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2007, 12:26:45 AM »

Actually, I root for the Yankees for one simple reason:  I enjoy the misery of the fans who root against them.  There are many.

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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2007, 12:31:51 AM »

Quote from: gellar on September 04, 2007, 12:26:45 AM

Actually, I root for the Yankees for one simple reason:  I enjoy the misery of the fans who root against them.  There are many.

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whoah, how the hell are the Cleveland Indians winning more games than the Yankees?
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2007, 12:32:43 AM »

Quote from: Brendan on September 03, 2007, 11:12:57 PM

Oh, and I assume by "not yet", you're conceding that it's just a matter of time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ys-bushprobe
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7174648

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"I think they're going to get hammered. You cannot penalize Oklahoma like they did and let this Reggie Bush thing go. The day of reckoning is coming."

If you pay your players, someone will eventually find out.

I definitely would not be surprised if it happened.  I also would not be surprised if it never did happen... I think that Fox article had it pretty well stated.  There's either very, very little evidence (and thus no decision) or a WHOLE LOTTA evidence (and thus they are gathering it all and are waiting to drop the hammer).  Either way, what's fair is fair.

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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2007, 12:33:20 AM »

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Quote from: gellar on September 04, 2007, 12:26:45 AM

Actually, I root for the Yankees for one simple reason:  I enjoy the misery of the fans who root against them.  There are many.

gellar

whoah, how the hell are the Cleveland Indians winning more games than the Yankees?

The who?

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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2007, 12:41:53 AM »

Quote from: gellar on September 04, 2007, 12:33:20 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 04, 2007, 12:31:51 AM

Quote from: gellar on September 04, 2007, 12:26:45 AM

Actually, I root for the Yankees for one simple reason:  I enjoy the misery of the fans who root against them.  There are many.

gellar

whoah, how the hell are the Cleveland Indians winning more games than the Yankees?

The who?

gellar

that's what I thought before seeing the standings.
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