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« on: November 08, 2004, 01:36:46 AM »

The BCS could be in big, big, trouble.  :shock:


Oklahoma squeaked by a damn good Texas A&M team on the road. USC did the same versus a mediocre Oregon State team. But what do CNNSI, CBS sports and ESPN all have as their headlines? "Is Oklahoma good enough for an Orange Bowl bid?" Since the Sooners win so much under Stoops, I guess they are held to a higher standard than other teams.

Wisconsin and Auburn, the teams on the outside looking in for Orange Bowl bids, both have very hard teams left: Georgia, Alabama Tennessee; and Michigan State and Iowa; respsectively. Oklahoma and USC, on the other hand, have their big games probably behind them: Cal and Texas. Who goes if all 4 win out? The combination of the Rose Bowl's automatic pick and the BCS means that the following won't happen.

Orange: Oklahoma versus Auburn
Rose: USC versus Wisconsin

The winner of the Orange would get the Coach's poll, and the winner of the Rose would probably get the AP poll trophy.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 03:53:55 AM »

Sorry, but as much as I'd like to see it,  'SC wont lose to my Bruins.

Orange: USC Oklahoma
Rose: Cal Wisconsin
Sugar: Georgia WVA
Fiesta: ??? vs ACC champ

??? = Utah, Michigan, Texas, Auburn

this is assuming Georgia beats Auburn this week coming up and then wins the SEC, otherwise swap Auburn in for Georgia
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2004, 04:00:29 AM »

Back on the GoneGold forums I proclaimed that Minnesota would beat Wisconsin.  That was before Michigan ripped the hearts out of the Gophers and I lost interest in the college game this year.  I think Wisconsin will win out and a Wisconsin vs USC would be a great game. Hope it happens.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 05:12:58 AM »

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Fiesta: ??? vs ACC champ

??? = Utah, Michigan, Texas, Auburn



Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please let it be Utah.  Things would really have to fall in place just perfect (mainly a couple losses from teams above them), but I would love to see Utah be the first "BCS buster" to get through the old boys ridiculous system.

Of course, I'm a Utah season ticket holder, so I'm a little biased.  smile
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2004, 05:18:47 AM »

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Wisconsin and Auburn, the teams on the outside looking in for Orange Bowl bids, both have very hard teams left: Georgia, Alabama Tennessee; and Michigan State and Iowa; respsectively.


Auburn only has two games left, GA and Alabama. They beat the crap out of Tennessee already. Georgia will be their only real test. They'll beat Alabama easily, I think. Bama lost their starting QB early in the season, and their backup rivals FSU's Chris Rix, as the worst in the nation. Actually, Rix is quite a bit better than Bama's current QB.

The BCS sucks beyond imagination. I hate it with a passion, and if last year's absolute joke of a fiasco wasn't enough to damn the BCS, then this year shouldn't change anything either. The whole thing is idiotic, unbalanced, and completely unfair.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2004, 07:31:51 AM »

Hey Jeff, don't forget about the SEC championship, even if they lose to GA, Auburn will likely play Tennessee again...
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2004, 04:53:56 PM »

SpaceLord: I notice you forgot to mention that teensy-weensy comeback by the Horns yesterday... biggrin

I sure hope we have 6 undefeateds at the end of the season(throwing Boise St. in there as well, though they are hopelessly screwed when it comes to getting a BCS bid); like Jeff said, if last year wasnt enough to expose the system for a farce, maybe this will be the year that it happens.

Most years Id be rooting for Utah to jump in there and mess things up, but since my Horns are one of the teams ahead of them(and have themselves been hosed out of a BCS game on more than one occasion...looking at you K-St. :x ), Ive gotta hope things stay just like they are.

Wisconsin better stay sharp though; OSU aint what they usually are, but they're capable of beating the Badgers.  I dont think it will happen(and I hope it doesnt), but it will be so much better for BCS-busting if both UW and Auburn can stay undefeated.

EDIT: my bad...UW doesnt play OSU this year.  Guess that makes things a bit easier, though Iowa has played well this year...'cept in the game I saw them play, live, vs. Penn St.   Gawd that was an awful football game.   :cry:
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 05:47:43 PM »

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SpaceLord: I notice you forgot to mention that teensy-weensy comeback by the Horns yesterday... biggrin
  :cry:


I tried to forget, since it was my alma mater that you guys came back on.  :oops:
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 07:47:04 PM »

Mori, I predicted a week ago that the Badgers would stumble against MN, same as they did in '92.  Didn't happen.  And Yes, the entire Gophers program would be different if Mason hadn't found a way to lose to the Wolverines a year ago.  He wins that game, and the Gophers are legitimized on a National Scale, and they have confidence that they really can play with the big guns.  

They lost instead, and they have fallen back to the pattern of every large conference mid-tier team, ie will win, and even impress at time, but simply won't be a contender because the attitude is not there.

The title game this year will be OSU vs USC, even though I officially root for OU to be banned from the post season.  Bullshit that they got to play in the title game last year after losing the previous game.  NCAA has obviously decided that the title game is too important moneywise to be affected by what happens on the field.  Assclowns.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 08:51:38 PM »

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The title game this year will be OSU vs USC, even though I officially root for OU to be banned from the post season.  Bullshit that they got to play in the title game last year after losing the previous game.  NCAA has obviously decided that the title game is too important moneywise to be affected by what happens on the field.  Assclowns.


You're blaming Oklahoma? Why? I guess a 1-loss Oklahoma isn't as deserving as a 1-loss LSU, who lost at home to a mediocre Florida team, or a 1-loss USC who lost at home to a *then* average Cal team. Hell, if Oklahoma had beaten KSU, USC *still* didn't make the Sugar Bowl.  :roll:

The NCAA has made mistake after mistake in the National Championshp system. They began the BCS to curtail human bias in the process, then slowly make the human element more and more prevalent. Don't blame Oklahoma for the NCAA's mistakes.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 12:03:29 AM »

Spacelord, you *know* why your argument is bullshit.  In the pros, do losses at the beginning of the season hurt as much as those in the playoffs?  HELL NO!

OU lost when it counted, in their own conference title game.  How the hell cn they compete for the National Title if they're not even Conference Champion?  That's just stupid, and you know it.

[aside -  Your defense of Ou simply because it's YOUR team is the type of fanboy garbage that real sports fans hate. (I freely admit when the Badgers don't deserve hype, and don't go easy on them just because I'm an alumnus who want to see them win.) ]

I absolutely despise the fact that the greedy leech MFers of the NCAA refuse to institute a playoff system becuase it affects how much money they get to shove in their pockets.  College football, though I love it, sucks donkey wang when they refuse to institute an easy solution to produce a true champion.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2004, 12:51:50 AM »

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Spacelord, you *know* why your argument is bullshit.  In the pros, do losses at the beginning of the season hurt as much as those in the playoffs?  HELL NO!

OU lost when it counted, in their own conference title game.  How the hell cn they compete for the National Title if they're not even Conference Champion?  That's just stupid, and you know it.

[aside -  Your defense of Ou simply because it's YOUR team is the type of fanboy garbage that real sports fans hate. (I freely admit when the Badgers don't deserve hype, and don't go easy on them just because I'm an alumnus who want to see them win.) ]

I absolutely despise the fact that the greedy leech MFers of the NCAA refuse to institute a playoff system becuase it affects how much money they get to shove in their pockets.  College football, though I love it, sucks donkey wang when they refuse to institute an easy solution to produce a true champion.


I can see someone gets overly excited. I still don't see how you can blame Oklahoma not once, but twice for mistakes by the NCAA. And who said I was an Oklahoma fan? That's not the discussion here... And calling my statements garbage, as well as bullshit, isn't helping. Not to mention accusing me of not being a "real sports fan." I resent that uninformed slam against me. Chill out. "Banning OU from postseason play" would be ridiculous.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2004, 01:12:41 AM »

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... And calling my statements garbage, as well as bullshit, isn't helping. Not to mention accusing me of not being a "real sports fan." I resent that uninformed slam against me. Chill out.


Agreed. Jake, tone down the language. There's no need to get personal.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2004, 02:07:44 AM »

Dear God, do you guys ever sit around in a bar and talk sports?  I *WAS* cleaning up my language.

(I've never met sunch a bunch of prudes (language-wise) since I started visting Gone Gold five years ago.  OK, message received, you people are so young and innocent a four letterword makes baby Jesus cry. :roll: )

 And No, I wasn't serious I wanted Ou banned from post-season: that's frustrated venting at the corrupt, horrible situation college football is in (which I feel is indicative of America).  And yes, I will hate those that benefit from corruption every bit as much as the cause.  [Buck Weaver is my hero.]

Now spacelord, are you telling me that you think having the Loser of a conference game play in a National title game is a good way to determine who's the best team in a nation?.

Oh, and go watch Yankees fans: I stand 100% behind my opinions on Homers.  Tough beans if you don't like it.  Further exposition on 'real fans':  a 'real fan' of a sport is one who likes the Sport first, the teams second.  If you feel that is wrong, then go enjoy watching professional wrestling.  I will continue to enjoy watching competitions, which is why I love sports.  (Paraphrased: to root for a team, instead of a good game, makes one a bag of shit, IMO. Oh, one second, bag of...mularky, I guess.) Cool

ps - Whose getting overly excited? I'm not the one who is saying, "OMG! I so offended!"  :twisted:   Dude, it's sports.   Some of you here need to lighten up a heck of a lot more than I do.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2004, 02:29:50 AM »

Ok, if you couch it that way, I am more understanding. It wasn't your language, it was your insults.

And about the national championship: No, in general, a non-conference winner should not play for a National Championship. However, things are not equitable in college football. The Big 12 and the SEC have championship games, the PAC, in this instance, did not. Even OU's loss, by one standard, albeit the dominant one, was "worse," I was really pointing out the short memory of voters and fans, who conviently forgot that both LSU and USC also lost to a average opponent in their conference, but on their home fields.

And I am just as upset as the NCAA as you are, for denying my favorite sport a true champion every year.
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2004, 03:12:30 AM »

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ps - Whose getting overly excited? I'm not the one who is saying, "OMG! I so offended!"  :twisted:   Dude, it's sports.   Some of you here need to lighten up a heck of a lot more than I do.


It has nothing to do with "lightening up" -- it has to do with *what appeared to be* personal attacks, which you know are out of place here.

"your argument is bullshit"

"fanboy garbage", etc etc

How would you expect a moderator to take that, with no smiley... no "hey we're just locker room trash talkin' here" ? Whatever your intentions were, it didn't work.

I don't mind frank discussion, but if you want a wild, wild west where no rules apply, look into usenet.
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2004, 12:24:05 AM »

What does a bad movie have to do with the usenet?  Cool
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2004, 01:24:03 AM »

I've been doing a little research on the whole 4-currently-undefeated-teams-in-BCS-conferences thing.


USC: Has trailed by as much as 2 touchdowns in 4 games. Their "big test" came against Cal. After setting a NCAA record for completions, Cal's Aaron Rogers inexpliciably threw 4 incompletions in a row in the red zone, and USC escapes. This past week, they damn near lose to a pretty bad Oregon team.

Auburn: They have a helluva challenge coming up Saturday, against Georgia. But, holy crap, have they had an easy schedule so far. Not really their fault, but dominating The Citadel, Louisiana-Monroe and Kentucky is not that impressive. They beat LSU, who is having a down year, and, granted, Auburn did beat Tennesee.

Wisconsin: Like Auburn, their schedule has been very kind to them, i.e. no Michigan.

Oklahoma: Somewhat impressive early, and against Texas, but their defense has either been "figured out,", or it's just not as good as past years. Their two remaining games and the Big 12 champ. game should be a breeze. But now people are wondering why they didn't blow out two ranked teams on the road? What the heck? I guess that's what comes with winning more games in the last 5 years than anyone.

Should Auburn pass Oklahoma if both win out? Maybe, but I fear for the BCS if both win out. What would be better is if Auburn/OU was the Sugar Bowl, and USC/Wisconsin in the Rose, as it should be. slywink Which can't happen. frown
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2004, 02:35:41 AM »

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I've been doing a little research on the whole 4-currently-undefeated-teams-in-BCS-conferences thing.


USC: Has trailed by as much as 2 touchdowns in 4 games. Their "big test" came against Cal. After setting a NCAA record for completions, Cal's Aaron Rogers inexpliciably threw 4 incompletions in a row in the red zone, and USC escapes. This past week, they damn near lose to a pretty bad Oregon team.

Auburn: They have a helluva challenge coming up Saturday, against Georgia. But, holy crap, have they had an easy schedule so far. Not really their fault, but dominating The Citadel, Louisiana-Monroe and Kentucky is not that impressive. They beat LSU, who is having a down year, and, granted, Auburn did beat Tennesee.

Wisconsin: Like Auburn, their schedule has been very kind to them, i.e. no Michigan.

Oklahoma: Somewhat impressive early, and against Texas, but their defense has either been "figured out,", or it's just not as good as past years. Their two remaining games and the Big 12 champ. game should be a breeze. But now people are wondering why they didn't blow out two ranked teams on the road? What the heck? I guess that's what comes with winning more games in the last 5 years than anyone.

Should Auburn pass Oklahoma if both win out? Maybe, but I fear for the BCS if both win out. What would be better is if Auburn/OU was the Sugar Bowl, and USC/Wisconsin in the Rose, as it should be. slywink Which can't happen. frown


Totally agree...and I f'n HATE OU.  The fact that A&M lost to, ahem, Baylor, the week before does hurt the perception of OU in that win.  But the fact remains, A&M was still ranked(22nd I believe...what they are still ranked this week, btw) and OU beat 'em on the road.  And College Station is a very tough place to win, no matter how good or bad A&M is.  Their crowd is one of the most intimidating in all of sports, and OU deserves all the props in the world for coming back in that game.

Doesnt mean OU might not have some holes in their armor; obviously if a team can pass effectively, they can hurt OU...badly, as the last 2 teams have shown.  But no way do they deserve to be dropped a spot in the polls.  Now if AUburn takes care of business the rest of the way, including the SEC championship game, well I think the computers will bump them up over OU and it will be USC v Auburn for the "National Championship".   Then OU can go beat the snot out of UW in the ROse and we'll have split NCs for the 2nd year in a row.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2004, 01:38:37 PM »

I agree with Jake.  OU should not just be banned from the BCS; the entire state should be banned from the country.  I believe they intentionally lost to K State last year just to screw Texas.
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2004, 04:27:10 PM »

I don't give two craps what happens with the rest of the bowls, but if UVA wins out (a distinct possibility) we go to the Sugar Bowl, and I will be damned if that doesn't excite me as much as anything recently.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2004, 07:12:15 PM »

On the subject of rankings:

Northern Illinois was #22 this week.  You think you can't find 40 teams in this country who would kick the crap out of NIU?
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2004, 08:09:39 PM »

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On the subject of rankings:

Northern Illinois was #22 this week.  You think you can't find 40 teams in this country who would kick the crap out of NIU?


I have no idea, cause Ive never seen NIU play.  But I *have* seen UW play, and Im pretty sure I could find about 20 teams that would kick the crap outta them...and they're 4th.

What's that all mean?  jack shit really.  It's the system we've got, and we "trust" in the pollsters that they've fretted and worried over their selections and that the Top 25 is just that:  the Top 25 best teams in the country.  I dont always(or really ever) agree with it, but that's one of the beauties of college football; we never lack for debate material.
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2004, 12:52:26 AM »

Gungho, I'm the first person to say the Badgers are not the 4th best team in the country.  

But when you say you can find 20 teams that can kick the crap out of them...care to give me some teams who are not ranked in the top ten right now?  Which games of theirs did you see?

  (OH, and the only NIU game I've watched was last night, against Toledo, a team I watched get spanked by six touchdowns by the #7 team from the Big Ten.)
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2004, 04:14:58 PM »

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Gungho, I'm the first person to say the Badgers are not the 4th best team in the country.  

But when you say you can find 20 teams that can kick the crap out of them...care to give me some teams who are not ranked in the top ten right now?  Which games of theirs did you see?

  (OH, and the only NIU game I've watched was last night, against Toledo, a team I watched get spanked by six touchdowns by the #7 team from the Big Ten.)


Well for one I was exaggerating...I dont know if there are "20 teams" that could beat UW, but I believe anyone else in the Top 10 would do the trick(and yes I know you asked for teams not in the Top 10, but it's not really fair to exclude them).

The games I saw were the PSU game and the Purdue game.   PSU is an awful, awful football team(I saw them play live vs. Iowa and it might rank as the #1 worst football game Ive ever laid eyes on), and against Purdue the Boilers did everything possible to lose that game, and still only barely did it.   And theyve been exposed as pretenders, so that victory for UW has lost whatever intial impact it had.

I really dont have a serious issue with UW being ranked #4 since I just dont see any way they can get into the NC game, so really what does it matter?  And they are undefeated, and that's hard to do if you're playing tiddly-winks, so props to 'em.

But my point(way back when) was that OU beat a team, on the road, in one of the most difficult places to play, that was ranked.  Now I understand having issues with the rankings, I think we all do at various points...but nationally, beating a ranked team carries a certain amount of prestige(for lack of a better word) along with it.  NOw if A&M goes on to lose to Texas Tech(here's guessing they do) and UT(bet the 401K on it), well then OU's close call should be re-examined and legitimate questions can be asked about why that game was so hard for OU(esp. given the 77-0 beat down OU laid on 'em last year).  But right now, on Nov. 11th, that's a quality win, no matter how OU came by it.

Now please, dont make me defend OU anymore(ESPECIALLY while having to praise Aggies and their fans), it's making me violently ill.    :cry:
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2004, 07:42:27 PM »

Yes, Aggies are my #3 team to hate as an overrated team (right behind K-State and Notre Dame)
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2004, 04:16:09 AM »

Well, the BCS rankings this week will certainly be interesting.  Wisconsin gets hammered by an unranked MSU, Georgia loses to an awfully good Aubrun squad, Texas barely squeaks by a horrible KU (that late offensive pass interference call on KU was absolute horseshit, BTW.  Not to take anything away from Vince Young's amazing effort, but KU got jobbed by the refs.), Michigan crushed NW, and Utah is hammering Wyoming 45-14 in the 3rd.

Any guesses on the BCS rankings come Monday?  Here's my prediction:

1.  USC
2.  OK
3.  Auburn
4.  Cal
5.  Texas
6.  Utah
7.  Michigan

At least that's how I hope it ends up. smile
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2004, 09:47:08 AM »

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1.  USC
2.  OK
3.  Auburn
4.  Cal
5.  Texas
6.  Utah
7.  Michigan

At least that's how I hope it ends up. smile


Looks about right.  As long as we can keep those Top 3 undefeated, we'll have more egg on the face of the BCS front men.

As for Texas, ehhh...it was a judgement call.  Like they said on College Gameday late last night, it could've gone either way.  I think what did KU in was the receiver's extension of the arms.  if he keeps them in more and doesn't exaggerate the motion I think he still gets open, catches the ball, and no call is made.

But it really doesnt matter; if you're not playing for the NC it's just another bowl game.  Holiday, Citrus, Fiesta...the only difference is how much money they pay.
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2004, 10:00:32 AM »

What I think is crazy right now is that if Iowa State (my university aka grad school) wins against K-State and Missouri, they will be Big 12 North champs and play in the Big 12 championship  :shock: what??? how???
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2004, 10:23:57 AM »

Why in the hell isnt there a playoff yet?  Its sad.

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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2004, 03:29:45 PM »

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But it really doesnt matter; if you're not playing for the NC it's just another bowl game.  Holiday, Citrus, Fiesta...the only difference is how much money they pay.


True, but it's a huge difference.  Look at it from a Utah perspective.  If Texas loses that game, coupled with the Wisconsin loss, Utah (probably) moves up to 5 in the BCS.  As long as they take care of buisness next week by beating BYU, they would still be in the top 6 even if Michigan beats Ohio State and passes them.  As it is now, Utah can crush BYU by 100 and still has the possibility of getting passed by Michigan for the final guaranteed BCS spot.  And that that final BCS spot is the difference between $1.4 million (Liberty bowl) and $14 million (Fiesta Bowl).  It could also mean the difference when Urban makes his final decision to leave or not.

So yes, those little things do make a huge difference to some teams.
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2004, 06:52:00 PM »

Gratch, I got some baaaad news for you.  Michigan will probably crush OSU, and if Barry Alvarez' legacy of poor preparation is any indicator (I'm still actually surprised that we didn't lose to the gophers), Wisconsin will lose to Iowa next week giving the Wolverines the outright conference title.

BCS is all about money, and a Big Ten Champion is treated as a bigger money earner than an undefeated Utah that is killing bad teams.  Chances are, Utah is screwed this year.  An since I got the ugly little reminder this week that my alma mater will NEVER* be a top-tier team, I am now rooting for Utah to win the title.  I'm pulling for ya Gratch!

 
* Before & During the game, Bob 'Jackass" Griese was talking about the Rose Bowl.  Hey Bob: F#$@ the Rose bowl.  I wanna see a national title at my school.  'Tradition' is shit.  I don't care that the Rose Bowl meant something back in the 60's.  You're not 20 anymore, and no one gives a rat's ass about it.  And yet, I live with the knowledge that the loser fans of my school are content with the Rose Bowl.

Here's a story:  a little over a decade ago, at Tennessee Johnny Majors went to four bowls in 7 years.  He was in the SEC title mix repreatedly.  Than, against great consternation, they school fires him.  Idiots boohoo the decision, 'but he's winning, bowl games, etc.".  What happens? They Get Phil Fulmer, win a national title, and affect the national title race most, if not every year.  Getthe idea.  Alvarez will NEVER get our team to the next level, and the losers from my school are happy with that.  This year, they made him the AD, gauranteeing that we have a Joe Paterno post 70-years old future ahead of us (You know, where he lingers on after it's clear that It's Over.)

Great.  And Now I have to watch the bears lose another game today.  to a team being Qb'ed by Billy Volek.

God it sucks being a sports fan sometimes.
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2004, 10:44:26 PM »

I know the "probably"s, but I can still hope right?  slywink  Realistically, I hold out more hope for Texas A&M beating Texas than for OSU to beat Michigan.  Funny how a team we crushed earlier this year has now become our best friends.  If one of those happen and we take care of the Y, then Fiesta, here we come!!  

You should see the level of excitement around this city right now.  It's insane how everybody has gotten behind this team.  I'd venture to say that there is actually more support for this team than there was for the Utah basketball team that played Kentucky in the NCAA finals a few years back.  Mainly becase this type of thing has never (and, unfortunately probably will never again) been seen at this school.   Even if Urban leaves, what he has accomplished here is simply amazing.

Did I mention ESPN's College Gameday will be broadcasting here next week?  I'll be at the broadcast all day on Saturday.  It's gonna be insane!
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2004, 02:17:17 AM »

Dude! Have Fun!  My sophomore year they were on campus.  It's just a blast gameday when they're there.
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2004, 06:31:08 AM »

Well, Im not sorry to disappoint ya, but I dont think UT loses to A&M.  We've got their # like OU has ours....plus that game is in Austin.

And yeah I realize there's a huge difference in the money being paid out, but from a fan's perspective, I couldnt care less about it.  I gurantee that UT will still have a football team next year whether they goto the Fiesta Bowl or the Toilet Bowl, and so will Utah.  ALl Im saying is that the so-called BCS bowls are no more prestigious(unless you artifically attach that label to them) than the non-BCS bowls.  It doesnt bother me in the least that Texas has never been to one;  now that the BCS has ruined all the bowl tie-ins(e.g. Rose Bowl for the BIg 10-Pac 10 winners, Cotton for the SWC, Orange for the Big 8, etc.) the only game that means anything anymore is the NC game.

Doesnt mean I dont want my Horns to win; Ive said it before, but Id be rooting like its 1999 if they were in a Go Fish tournament.  BUt for about 80 years UT fans looked forward to going to the Cotton BOwl on Jan. 1st as the ultimate reward for a season well-played...now playing there means nothing.

So despite(or perhaps TO SPITE) the BCS front men wanting me to get all jazzed up about playing in the FIesta Bowl, it doesnt mean anything more to me than playing in the Cotton or INdependece Bowl.

FOr me, the BCS is the worst of both worlds...it has destroyed the tradition that set college football apart while at the same time failing to give us a true champion, as a playoff would do.  Either bring back the old days of The Wild West, anything goes football, or give me a playoff.  Cause this shit we've got now, sucks.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2004, 12:28:20 PM »

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Well, Im not sorry to disappoint ya, but I dont think UT loses to A&M.  We've got their # like OU has ours....plus that game is in Austin.


After watching UT the last 2 weeks, I'm not so sure that game's a lock.   Texas' offense has looked pretty good (Vince Young is freaking amazing), but that defense has been really shaky.  Wasn't that Kansas' 3rd string QB?  And this is a very different A&M team than the one Utah whacked on opening night, so it could be interesting.

Trust me, it's nothing against UT personally.  Hell, if it were Podunk State ahead of Utah in the BCS, I'd be become the biggest fan of whoever was playing Podunk State.

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Either bring back the old days of The Wild West, anything goes football, or give me a playoff.  Cause this shit we've got now, sucks.


This, we can completely agree on.  But for a school like Utah with no real football tradition, this BCS shit is pretty exciting!  smile
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2004, 02:51:46 PM »

Some interesting predictions from ESPN and Fox Sports this morning:

Fox Sports is predicting Utah vs. Oklahoma in the Fiesta.  "The Big XII Champion is the host to the Fiesta Bowl and that'll be the Sooners if Auburn slides in to the Orange. OU deserves a spot in the national championship, but it'll be tough with all of the buzz around the Tigers. If OU gets into the Orange this will be Boston College vs. Utah. The Utes deserve to be in the BCS but it's going to be hard to get past the college football machine that wants to see big league schools in the mix. However, a six slot gets the Utes in. Texas could end the season fourth in the BCS standings at 10-1 and be left out in the cold. " - Fox Sports

"So, the second-most intriguing storyline in the BCS Standings is now the fight for No. 4 between Cal and Texas. A clause in the BCS bylaws says the highest-ranked team that is not a conference champion will be given an at-large spot if it is ranked No. 3 or No. 4. Barring losses by both teams, either the Bears or Longhorns will automatically get into the BCS via that rule. And if Utah stays at No. 6, thereby locking up the other at-large berth, there will not be a spot remaining in the BCS for the team ranked No. 5.

I project Cal to be in that crucial fourth position this week, and given the large points gap between them and Texas in each poll, it seems the Longhorns have little hope if the Bears don't struggle with or lose at home to Stanford on Saturday or at Southern Miss on Dec. 4. Texas should make a move in the computers, but it probably won't be enough. Despite two amazing comebacks in a row, it appears that Mack Brown's Longhorns will be missing the BCS party once again." - ESPN.com
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2004, 03:14:09 PM »

What if Oklahoma or Auburn is left out of the Orange Bowl, despite winning their conference and going 12-0? How can the pundits "justify" placing a team with a signifcantly softer schedule(USC), and less wins, than a left-in-the-cold OU or Auburn? There will be rioting in the streets. biggrin
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2004, 12:12:54 AM »

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What if Oklahoma or Auburn is left out of the Orange Bowl, despite winning their conference and going 12-0? How can the pundits "justify" placing a team with a signifcantly softer schedule(USC), and less wins, than a left-in-the-cold OU or Auburn? There will be rioting in the streets. biggrin


The Dallas Morning News was saying the same thing today.

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ESPN's cast of characters spent most of Saturday night bickering over whether Auburn should leapfrog Oklahoma in the media and coaches' polls.

They missed another issue.

Should Oklahoma and Auburn leap over Southern California?

USC has been ranked No. 1 all season. The Trojans were installed as the preseason No. 1 team, and they've won 10 out of 10 games.
Yet nobody talks about how California almost came away victorious or how Oregon State gave USC a good scare in the foggy Pacific Northwest.

"Voters have been putting USC at No. 1 for so long, they've forgotten to look at them," said Jerry Palm, who runs CollegeBCS.com.

If television commentators can sway public opinion so easily, then they need to come clean with all the facts. At a minimum, they should stop giving the Men of Troy a free pass just because they are ranked No. 1.

USC has struggled at times, as have Oklahoma and Auburn. OU has better offensive numbers than USC, and the Tigers play better defense than the other two. And to top it off, both OU and Auburn play tougher competition in their respective leagues and they must win a conference championship game to boot.

Add it all up, and maybe Oklahoma and Auburn both deserve to be in the Fed Ex Orange Bowl.

All the statistical information can be found on the NCAA's Web site, assuming TV producers know how to check.

The NCAA compiles the win-loss records of each team's opponents. Any victory or loss against a Division I-AA team is thrown out. Going into this week's regular-season finale at Baylor, OU's previous 10 opponents have a combined record of 54-33. It's the 14th-toughest schedule. The BCS computers certainly it. The Sooners were first in four of the six computer rankings last week and second in the other two.

Texas A&M has the toughest schedule, which should make Aggies fans puff out their chests. A&M's opponents are 55-30.

USC's previous opponents are 45-40 and Auburn's are 41-32.

Now, the Trojans will see that number go up after the final two games. Notre Dame and UCLA are 12-8 combined. So USC doesn't exactly have an easy road to the finish line.

But let's look at the path USC has traveled. As of today, the Pac-10 has just four teams that are bowl eligible. To become bowl eligible, a team must post a winning record during the regular season – that means 6-5. USC, California, Arizona State and UCLA are the only ones who have at least six victories.

Over in the Big 12, six teams are bowl eligible. Seven teams are eligible in the SEC.

It's no wonder why USC has won six games by 30 points or more. The league isn't that good.

The Big 12 North isn't that hot, either. But Oklahoma plays in the Big 12 South. That division may fill every top-level bowl game the league is affiliated with.

OU coach Bob Stoops seemed resigned to the fact that Auburn is the flavor of the month.

"All you can do is do your best to win and so ... you know, what are you gonna do?" Stoops said Sunday after The Associated Press Top 25 was released. OU and Auburn are tied for second.

Palm projects OU to remain second and Auburn will be third in this week's BCS standings, which will be released at 11 a.m. today. But USC will still be No. 1.

Do the Trojans deserve to be there? It's unknown.

Just don't expect the "talking heads," as Stoops calls them, to tell fans any different.
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