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« on: July 14, 2005, 09:41:48 PM »

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China ‘ready to use N-weapons against US’
By Alexandra Harney in Beijing
Published: July 14 2005 21:59 | Last updated: July 14 2005 21:59

china us troubleChina is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the US if it is attacked by Washington during a confrontation over Taiwan, according to a senior Chinese military official.

“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,” Zhu Chenghu, a major general in the People's Liberation Army, said at an official briefing.

Mr Zhu, who is also a professor at China's National Defence University, was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organised, in part, by the Chinese government. He added that China's definition of its territory includes warships and aircraft.

“If the Americans are determined to interfere [then] we will be determined to respond,” Mr Zhu said. “We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds. . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.” Mr Zhu is a self-acknowledged “hawk” who has warned previously that China could strike the US with long-range missiles. But his threat to use nuclear weapons in a conflict over Taiwan is the most specific by a senior Chinese official in nearly a decade.

Rick Fisher, a former senior US congressional official and an authority on the Chinese military, said the specific nature of the threat “is a new addition to China's public discourse”.

China's official doctrine has called for no first use of nuclear weapons since its first atomic test in 1964. But Mr Zhu is not the first Chinese official to refer to the possibility of using such weapons first in a conflict over Taiwan.

Chas Freeman, a former US assistant secretary of defence, said in 1999 that a PLA official had told him China could respond in kind to a nuclear strike by the US in the event of a conflict with Taiwan.

“In the end you care more about Los Angeles than you do about Taipei,” Mr Freeman quoted this official as saying. The official is believed to have been Xiong Guangkai, now the PLA's deputy chief of general staff.

The rationale for the new threats is unclear. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs could not be reached for comment.

Mr Zhu, who has risen from the rank of colonel over the past five years, insisted he was expressing his personal views, and that they did not represent the policy of the Chinese government. Nor was he anticipating war between China and the US.

But he said that, because China did not have the capability to fight a conventional war against the US, the threat to escalate might be the only way to stop a war.

His comments could provide insight into the thinking among some in the PLA amid growing anxiety in Washington about its capabilities. Last month, Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, voiced concern about China's military build-up.

Additional reporting by Edward Alden in Washington



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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 10:02:44 PM »

A career military man using the "i have the biggest dick" syndrome?  I have never seen that before!  :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 10:16:33 PM »

What an awful time to have Gee-Dubble-Ewe as a president.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 10:21:05 PM »

Well I for one am sick of third worldshithole people threatening the US with nukes all the time. Lets just lauch everything at everybody and get back to rocks so I can relax.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 11:46:09 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 12:08:21 AM »

*puts in The Day After and hunkers down*
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 02:20:30 AM »

Are the Chinese stupid enough to use a few bombs, knowing that the US has more and would bomb China back to the stone age?  I doubt it.  Taiwan will be a very ugly situation, but not that ugly.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 05:33:45 AM »

i wouldnt be so cavalier about just "a few" nuclear weapons...

i think the guys point was dont try to interfere with what we do on our sovereign territory, or we'll take that as an act of war. - as someone already pointed out though china's official policy is that her warhead program is one of "second strike"
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 12:35:16 PM »

This is the Chinese version of the "good ol shit-kickin" attitude being projected from our current administration IMO

Don't get me wrong.....I like Bush, and did in fact vote for him, but this is one of the downsides to his "don't mess with the US' philosophy.

I still agree with that type of philosophy. But getting into a nasty situation with China would suck big time, to say the least  :shock:
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 02:16:05 PM »

I always look at the world sort of like this.  Countries like us, Japan, and england and france are current.  Russia, China, Korea, places like that, are wwhere we were during the cold war still.  Your Middle Eastern Countries are a bit further back than that.  Technology, thinking, all that sort of thing.  I think if our country looked back to remember the time when we said things like that, it might help them understand other countries as well.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2005, 02:42:34 PM »

They may have nukes but I doubt a few things:

1.) I doubt that they are ICBM (InterContanental) so they probably can't reach us, but nice try.  (Unless they do that Loony Tunes dig through the center of the Earth thing)   :shock:

2.) I doubt we've seen the extent of the military's power to take down a missile like that.  I doubt that Ronny Reagan's Star Wars project was the last shield against (as our president would say) Nookyuhlur weapons.

3.) I doubt they'd say jack squat if they really wanted to nuke us.  It'd just happen and the world would get a tan.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2005, 03:09:02 PM »

Quote from: "Knightshade Dragon"

1.) I doubt that they are ICBM (InterContanental) so they probably can't reach us, but nice try.  (Unless they do that Loony Tunes dig through the center of the Earth thing)   :shock:

Chinese DF-5 ICBM:
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Configuration: Two stage liquid
Length: 33m
Diameter: 3.4m
Launch Weight: 183,000kg
Propellant: Liquid fuel (Unsymmetrical Dimethylhydrazine/Nitrogen Tetroxide mix [UDMH/N2H4])
Guidance: Inertial with onboard computer
Range: 12,000km (DF-5); >13,000km (DF-5A)
Deployment: Silo and launch pad
Re-entry Vehicle Mass: ~3,000kg
Warhead: Single 3,000~5,000kT
CEP: ~1,000m
Launch Preparation Time: 120 min (mobile), or 45~60 min (in silo)

The distance from Beijing to LA is 10075.07 km which would put them well within range of all our western cities.

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Edit: Edited to add the distance from Beijing to Phoenix, AZ is 10471.37 km. smile
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2005, 03:22:34 PM »

Bring it, bitches!
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2005, 04:29:06 PM »

Yet more saber rattling from the extremists. Like anytime Bush speaks about the tyranny of North Korea and Kim Il Psycho retorts that he'll nuke us unless we give them food! Posturing on both sides, plain and simple. Taiwan has the added benefit of being a focal point for the two super powers in the world, over an island I'm frankly surprised wasn't forcibly reclaimed by China decades ago.
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