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« on: March 29, 2007, 04:56:19 PM »

We were discussing this in IRC...

Watched Children of Men last night on DVD (saw it in the theater too) and was again impressed at what an incredible film it is from a movie making standpoint, a story and character standpoint, and from a performance standpoint... so good that it made me ask 'What was the last film that was THIS good, and when did it come out?'

I had to go all the way back to Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Thoughts?  Obviously not everyone is going to be as impressed as me, but...
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 05:01:05 PM »

I really enjoyed the movie - thematically and emotionally.  Even from a technical perspective, I appreciated stuff like the cut-less sequence in the camp towards the end (and when they're attacked in the woods).

I was compelled to read the book which - let me tell you - has some pretty significant differences.  His cousin, the Warden of England, is a major character in the novel.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 05:15:00 PM »

My first reply is movies I thought were really great that spring to mind... none of which, while all fantastic, I think are as good...

Lord Of The Rings
The Big Lebowski
The Departed
Saving Private Ryan
Road to Perdition
LA Confidential
Aliens
Blade Runner
Platoon
Goodfellas
Royal Tenenbaums

I'm sure I'll think of more...


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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 05:17:24 PM »

Quote from: Kratz on March 29, 2007, 05:15:00 PM

My first reply is movies I thought were really great that spring to mind... none of which, while all fantastic, I think are as good...

Lord Of The Rings - Nope
The Big Lebowski - Nope
The Departed - Yes
Saving Private Ryan - Yes
Road to Perdition - Nope
LA Confidential - Yes
Aliens - Yes
Blade Runner - Nope (horribly overrated, doesn't hold up well at all)
Platoon - Yes
Goodfellas - Yes
Royal Tenenbaums - Nope

I'm sure I'll think of more...



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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 05:19:21 PM »

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Are you saying you didn't like Children?

What, do you hate black people?
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2007, 05:22:22 PM »

I didn't see that you replied inside of your quote of me... that is confusing.

It also makes my joke not as funny. frown
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2007, 05:27:57 PM »

Quote from: Kratz on March 29, 2007, 05:19:21 PM

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Are you saying you didn't like Children?

What, do you hate black people?

Are you kidding? Dude, I love it. Those movies with "nope" are WORSE not better.

And whats up with the racist thing?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2007, 05:28:54 PM »

Quote from: Kratz on March 29, 2007, 05:22:22 PM

I didn't see that you replied inside of your quote of me... that is confusing.

It also makes my joke not as funny. frown

I figured it would be quicker than typing out every title and writing out a response. I have to leave in about 2 minutes and was trying to hurry.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2007, 05:34:15 PM »

The movie had everything - brilliant acting, a gripping story-line, adrenaline-filled action scenes, poignant & emotional scenes, jumpy-moments, a great soundtrack...

I loved it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2007, 05:38:32 PM »

Wife just picked this up for us. Now I'm really pumped about seeing it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2007, 05:39:14 PM »

I thought it was very good (and a masterpiece in all technical facets) but I thought Clive Owen, who I normally love, was a bit too emotionally distant throughout so the film itself didn't have the impact on me that it seemed to on the rest of the geek community.  Supporting cast was ace though. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2007, 05:39:33 PM »

I am reading no posts above this. I just got the movie yesterday and hope to work through it starting tonight.

The trailers were very tantalizing and Clive Owen is awesome.

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2007, 05:41:57 PM »

Work through it?

Watch it in one go, sir.  The time flies.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2007, 09:01:43 PM »

Quote from: Kratz on March 29, 2007, 05:41:57 PM

Work through it?

Watch it in one go, sir.  The time flies.

Agree 100%, what an amazing film.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2007, 11:20:22 PM »

Bought it on HD-DVD (no blue-ray available) and will be watching it tonight. Can't wait!
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2007, 11:38:05 PM »

A fantastic & engaging movie.  Reminds me (somehow...) of the book "The Road."  The Prestige is up there along with this movie as recent movies I've very much enjoyed.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2007, 12:50:04 AM »

What is Children of Men?

I guess I am just not that big into movies as I have never heard of this film. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2007, 06:45:38 AM »

I just finished watching it and, even though I netflix'd it I am purchasing a copy tomorrow.  I would feel forever empty were not such an utter masterpiece in my collection, there to bask in whenever I choose.

May be in my top 5 of all time.  Unbelievable.
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2007, 07:37:56 AM »

This is out on DVD?!  I think I'll just buy this movie before even renting it.  I rarely buy movies at all, let alone rent any.  But the theme of this movie and these kind of movies in general strike a chord with me.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2007, 10:52:38 AM »

I really appreciate the technical stuff and the acting in this movie, and that 6-minute single-cut action sequence literally took my breath away. HOWEVER, the actual premise for the movie is so unrealistic and over the top that it ruined a lot of my enjoyment. I didn't believe in the setting for a second, which makes it really hard to enjoy a movie set in it. I had a similar problem with Equilibrium, which also had a horribly unrealistic dystopian setting.
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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2007, 12:38:47 PM »

I saw it last night and while I thought it was good...it dragged at times and the ending was meh...they had potential to make it an amazing ending and seemed to stop short or anything.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2007, 12:57:58 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 30, 2007, 10:52:38 AM

I really appreciate the technical stuff and the acting in this movie, and that 6-minute single-cut action sequence literally took my breath away. HOWEVER, the actual premise for the movie is so unrealistic and over the top that it ruined a lot of my enjoyment. I didn't believe in the setting for a second, which makes it really hard to enjoy a movie set in it. I had a similar problem with Equilibrium, which also had a horribly unrealistic dystopian setting.

As all "end of humanity" movies are based in a fictional world, it's going to be hard to make a movie that is "realistic". Personally, I thought the hopelessness and despair that was portrayed was extremely close to how I would feel, if something like this happened, so unfortunately, I'm going to have to disagree with your summary there, as we seem to be completely opposite in our opinion on the setting.
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2007, 01:00:31 PM »

Quote from: jblank on March 30, 2007, 12:57:58 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 30, 2007, 10:52:38 AM

I really appreciate the technical stuff and the acting in this movie, and that 6-minute single-cut action sequence literally took my breath away. HOWEVER, the actual premise for the movie is so unrealistic and over the top that it ruined a lot of my enjoyment. I didn't believe in the setting for a second, which makes it really hard to enjoy a movie set in it. I had a similar problem with Equilibrium, which also had a horribly unrealistic dystopian setting.

As all "end of humanity" movies are based in a fictional world, it's going to be hard to make a movie that is "realistic". Personally, I thought the hopelessness and despair that was portrayed was extremely close to how I would feel, if something like this happened, so unfortunately, I'm going to have to disagree with your summary there, as we seem to be completely opposite in our opinion on the setting.
Why do you hate black people?

I agree with Tilt about this issue. I never thought to myself "OMG THE LAST OF THE HUMANS IS NEAR!" But I still enjoyed the journey, and thought all the other aspects of the setting were spot on.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2007, 01:27:17 PM »

Am I missing the joke or something? What is up with the hate black people thing? Where has this come from?
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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2007, 01:34:05 PM »

I liked it but I can't say it was in my tops for best movie ever. 

I still don't know what the point was of the movie.  What am I supposed to learn about humanity?  What am I supposed to leave the theater with; a better understanding of humans, a better understanding of film technique, nothing?  The movie seemed somehow hollow to me.
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2007, 03:03:16 PM »

How about '90% of people are self serving pricks who are interested only in their own self preservation.  but thank god there are a few who aren't'?

I don't know...

Does a movie need a super important(tm) message or statement to be good or meaningful?
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2007, 03:05:26 PM »

That without hope of the next generation our society would crumble long before we shrugged this mortal coil. Imagine a world without children. I don't think you let yourself accept the one part of this work that made it real; the concept that human conception ceased to be.

This was a very real, very moving picture for me. The last 1/3 of the film my GF couldn't look away, but part of her wanted to leave the theatre. The portrayal of death (or more accurately the the depreciation of human life) and the fact that our world could one day look like that (maybe not some mysterious epidemic, but more likely a man-made apocalypse) had her worried about the world that our sons may someday see. We send our children to war now, we just don't see it front and centre ravaging our sidewalks and well-groomed boulevards.

You only live with moderate fear of getting shot by some road rage or random act of violence. We don't have the suicide bombers that some places live with on a weekly basis. Imagine waking up every morning and thinking : should I take the metro or try to find some smaller target to travel in to get to my work?
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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2007, 04:10:09 PM »

Great post Purge.
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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2007, 04:13:27 PM »

Quote from: dedewhale on March 30, 2007, 12:38:47 PM

I saw it last night and while I thought it was good...it dragged at times and the ending was meh...they had potential to make it an amazing ending and seemed to stop short or anything.
Pretty much my opinion as well.  My wife absolutely hated it.
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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2007, 07:18:29 PM »

Quote from: Laner on March 30, 2007, 04:13:27 PM

Quote from: dedewhale on March 30, 2007, 12:38:47 PM

I saw it last night and while I thought it was good...it dragged at times and the ending was meh...they had potential to make it an amazing ending and seemed to stop short or anything.
Pretty much my opinion as well.  My wife absolutely hated it.

My opinion as well.   Overrall I thought the movie was okay.   I guess it just didn't grab me
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« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2007, 07:22:39 PM »

I'm amazed anyone could dislike this movie. What do you guys consider "fine cinema"? If you favorite movie is Stealth, then yeah, maybe this isn't the movie for you, but unlike a lot of movies where reviews are merely lukewarm, this film has overwhelmingly positive reviews, some of the highest reviews in a long time, so usually that is a good indicator it is not just good, but excellent.
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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2007, 07:36:50 PM »

Well, I hate Citizen Kane, and think Kubrick is vastly overrated, so there you go.
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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2007, 07:41:15 PM »

Quote from: Laner on March 30, 2007, 07:36:50 PM

Well, I hate Citizen Kane, and think Kubrick is vastly overrated, so there you go.

 icon_eek Wow, ok.
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« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2007, 07:59:52 PM »

Quote from: jblank on March 30, 2007, 07:22:39 PM

I'm amazed anyone could dislike this movie. What do you guys consider "fine cinema"? If you favorite movie is Stealth, then yeah, maybe this isn't the movie for you, but unlike a lot of movies where reviews are merely lukewarm, this film has overwhelmingly positive reviews, some of the highest reviews in a long time, so usually that is a good indicator it is not just good, but excellent.

Stealth suck

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Godfather 1 & 2
Saving Private Ryan
Unforgiven
Do the right thing
The Departed


The Children of Men just didn't grab me.  I found it pretty okay.  Glad I didn't pay money to see it at a Movie House
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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2007, 08:03:36 PM »

Ok, fair enough then. No big deal, I just wanted to see what the people that didn't like it thought were good movies.
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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2007, 08:04:51 PM »

Quote from: jblank on March 30, 2007, 07:22:39 PM

I'm amazed anyone could dislike this movie. What do you guys consider "fine cinema"? If you favorite movie is Stealth, then yeah, maybe this isn't the movie for you, but unlike a lot of movies where reviews are merely lukewarm, this film has overwhelmingly positive reviews, some of the highest reviews in a long time, so usually that is a good indicator it is not just good, but excellent.


So if it gets good reviews it is good?  Did you enjoy "The Queen"?  Another very highly rated movie. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2007, 08:16:11 PM »

Quote from: farley2k on March 30, 2007, 08:04:51 PM

Quote from: jblank on March 30, 2007, 07:22:39 PM

I'm amazed anyone could dislike this movie. What do you guys consider "fine cinema"? If you favorite movie is Stealth, then yeah, maybe this isn't the movie for you, but unlike a lot of movies where reviews are merely lukewarm, this film has overwhelmingly positive reviews, some of the highest reviews in a long time, so usually that is a good indicator it is not just good, but excellent.


So if it gets good reviews it is good?  Did you enjoy "The Queen"?  Another very highly rated movie. 

I haven't seen it, so I can't make a determination on it.

For what its worth, do you disagree that a consensus of good reviews doesn't equal a good movie? Your post is a bit confusing there.

If it means anything, I can't think of a film that I didn't like that got REALLY good reviews (like 80%+ on RT).
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2007, 08:22:28 PM »

Quote from: jblank on March 30, 2007, 08:16:11 PM

I haven't seen it, so I can't make a determination on it.

For what its worth, do you disagree that a consensus of good reviews doesn't equal a good movie? Your post is a bit confusing there.

If it means anything, I can't think of a film that I didn't like that got REALLY good reviews (like 80%+ on RT).

I don't believe they equate.  I really disliked Brokeback Moutain, but it was reviewed really well.  I enjoyed Cradle 2 the Grave but it reviewed poorly.  In fact almost all action movies review poorly so are they all bad?   Almost all horror movies get terrible reviews as well.  Personally I don't like the genre but I bet that fans of it have a lot of movies they like.



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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2007, 08:34:13 PM »

Well, thats your opinion and you're entitled to it. My wife and I thought Brokeback Mountain was fantastic and I was REALLY expecting a let down because of all the fuss around it, so I was starting off prejudging it thinking it was all hype. I think with SOME movies, you can ignore critics (action films like you said), but films like this, in my experience, critics are usually correct about.
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2007, 10:26:34 PM »

Quote from: Kratz on March 29, 2007, 05:41:57 PM

Work through it?

Watch it in one go, sir. 

Said the man expecting his first child.  When you have two, you'll begin to understand.  When you have a third- via the temporary residence of your 11 year old nephew-  you will understand completely.

As for the movie <spoilers>:

I can totally see the hollowness or 'souless' comment as it seemed to me something was missing to make this an epic film.

Owen was great.  Supporting cast was great.  The direction- with the long single shots- was UNBELIEVABLE.  The siege on the ghetto where Theo is working his way to the condo building was a masterstroke.

Michael Caine was phenominal. 

However, for whatever reason it seems to equate to less than the sum of its parts.  I would definitely like to watch it again.

Get's 3.5 out of 4 from me.

SPR is a great citation. That movie shook me to my core and has several overwhelming scenes in it.  CoM while very good, didn't have the impact on me I was expecting it to.
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