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I read an interview with Grossman which said he would be writing a follow-up. I believe Grossman said that the sequel will probably jump ahead several years.
The book stands well on it's own and does a pretty good job at wrapping everything up (a couple of things a bit too neatly IMO).
Finished it last night. Not bad, and I'd read the sequel, but I found the first third awesome, the second third dark and the last third sort of goofy. The "epilogue" I'm not sure of yet. It will be interesting to see where the author goes with it, and where it is primarily set.
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« Reply #201 on: October 15, 2009, 03:46:58 PM » |
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The List of Seven by Mark Frost......
I read this book because I had read a couple golf/history books written by Frost and thought I would give his fiction work a try. It is not bad, but not great. It is designed as a page turner and it works in some places and not in others.
Basically the book involves Arthur Conan Doyle before he wrote his Sherlock Holmes books. The plot revolves around the occult, murder, a plot on the English Crown and finally a very strange but not unexpected twist at the end.
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« Reply #202 on: October 20, 2009, 01:12:49 AM » |
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I've read the first 6 Harry Potter books in the last 4 months or so and they have been amazing. SOOOO much better than the movies.
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« Reply #204 on: October 22, 2009, 10:54:20 PM » |
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Finished the Red Planet trilogy by Kim Stanely (as well as The Martians). Interesting read, but in my opinion it went downhill after the first book. Blue Planet in particular took me forever to get through. To be fair, it is sort of my worst nightmare of a writing style as I'm not that into description and Stanely likes to describe things in great detail (like every crater on Mars). So if you like description in your fiction you will probably enjoy the books more than I did.
As a quasi-conservative it was interesting to read about his vision of a non-capitalistic economic system (in theory I have no problem with capitalism being replaced). I couldn't help but roll my eyes a few times, but I try to keep an open mind while reading fiction so it wasn't so bad. But if you are sensitive to christian bashing and hate socialism I would probably not recommend the books to you.
Overall it couldn't have been terrible as I finished the trilogy and I'm glad I did just to see the characters to the end. It certainly had a nice epic feel to it. It also had a lot of scientific detail -- way too much for my tastes and it contained a lot of rambling tangents on topics such as psychology. This isn't all bad, but for me it contributed to the series dragging on for far too many pages. Anyway here are my rankings (five star system):
Red Planet: 3 stars Green Planet: 2.5 stars Blue Plane: 2.0 stars
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« Reply #207 on: October 25, 2009, 12:23:56 AM » |
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Took some time off. Read a ho hum Mark Twain Book and a pretty boring autobiography about some art thief.
Just completed We Are Soldiers Still...and excellent companion and follow-up to the greatest book about war ever written.
Am now, after many years, re-reading Dracular. Stoker was a genius.
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« Reply #208 on: October 25, 2009, 12:46:55 AM » |
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First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong 4/5. The book does a very good job of covering Armstrong's childhood, Navy flier experience during Korea, and his NACA experience flying the X-15. Obviously, a significant portion is devoted to his Apollo 11 training and experiences. At one point, there's a weird left turn to explore contemporary coverage from an author that never had a one-on-one interview with him, but overall the book does a great job exploring Armstrong's life and just how different and private he was from the rest of the people around him. It doesn't spend a whole lot of time exploring the last 40 years of his life (so far), but then, I guess there's not much call to explore his corporate sponsorships and board of directors work in much more detail than is presented here. I learned things about the programs he was involved with that I didn't know as well, which is always a bonus for me.
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« Reply #209 on: October 26, 2009, 02:24:16 AM » |
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Finally made it through Storm of Swords. Took months of reading, but wow, what an amazing book. The chapter where everything gets upended (you know the one if you've read it) was so shocking I had to read it over twice. Did not see that coming at all.
Jumping right into Feast for Crows, which I hear is not as good, but figure I might as well finish off the series as it currently stands and then I can join the disappointed throngs waiting what's likely at least another year for Dance of Dragons. My goal is to finish it by the end of the year.
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« Reply #210 on: October 26, 2009, 02:59:17 PM » |
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My goal is to not finish it until Martin finishes writing the next one.
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« Reply #211 on: October 27, 2009, 05:04:14 PM » |
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Finished Dirty Martini by J.A. Konrath. Will resume The Enemy by Lee Child once I can get the Kindle back from my wife.
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« Reply #212 on: October 30, 2009, 10:30:40 PM » |
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Finished the Red Planet trilogy by Kim Stanely (as well as The Martians). Interesting read, but in my opinion it went downhill after the first book. Blue Planet in particular took me forever to get through. To be fair, it is sort of my worst nightmare of a writing style as I'm not that into description and Stanely likes to describe things in great detail (like every crater on Mars). So if you like description in your fiction you will probably enjoy the books more than I did.
As a quasi-conservative it was interesting to read about his vision of a non-capitalistic economic system (in theory I have no problem with capitalism being replaced). I couldn't help but roll my eyes a few times, but I try to keep an open mind while reading fiction so it wasn't so bad. But if you are sensitive to christian bashing and hate socialism I would probably not recommend the books to you.
Overall it couldn't have been terrible as I finished the trilogy and I'm glad I did just to see the characters to the end. It certainly had a nice epic feel to it. It also had a lot of scientific detail -- way too much for my tastes and it contained a lot of rambling tangents on topics such as psychology. This isn't all bad, but for me it contributed to the series dragging on for far too many pages. Anyway here are my rankings (five star system):
Red Planet: 3 stars Green Planet: 2.5 stars Blue Plane: 2.0 stars
I agree completely. I thought the first book was very good and that after that he loses all focus.
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« Reply #213 on: October 30, 2009, 10:33:22 PM » |
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Flash Forward by Robert Sawyer...
The TV series is based on this book. The book starts out really well and then kinda drags thru the middle to a decent end. I don't know about the science used in the book but it sounded a little too convienent to me.
Decent...not great.
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« Reply #216 on: November 02, 2009, 07:42:51 AM » |
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Ok then, thread over!
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« Reply #217 on: November 02, 2009, 08:02:39 AM » |
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Wow you even put CSL to shame.
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« Reply #218 on: November 02, 2009, 03:53:41 PM » |
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And to think I felt proud that I'm going to get to twelve books this year...
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« Reply #219 on: November 02, 2009, 04:03:06 PM » |
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I'm happy to continue my average of 5 a month.
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And to think I felt proud that I'm going to get to twelve books this year...
Yeah. Me too. I'm gonna finish with about 15. Not sure how people find that much time to read...at least when not in an academic setting.
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« Reply #221 on: November 02, 2009, 09:49:59 PM » |
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I thought I was doing great. But then, I'm just reading books.
JonathanStrange? He's reading BOOKS.
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« Reply #222 on: November 02, 2009, 10:20:49 PM » |
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And to think I felt proud that I'm going to get to twelve books this year...
Yeah. Me too. I'm gonna finish with about 15. Not sure how people find that much time to read...at least when not in an academic setting. Out of curiosity I went back through this thread and tallied up the number of books I've read this year (titles only started and completed in 2009). I've never kept track in the past, but my wife is an avid reader and she usually keeps track of the number of titles she's read. Even though she is a sucker for the latest "vampire smut" and she'll tear through anything from young adult fiction to the smuttiest of supernatural "adult" fare, she still reads a lot and way more than I do. Still, I wanted to see how I've done this year compared to years past, especially since I now get tons of books from the library. Finances limited purchases in the past, especially when books are first released in hardback for a hefty price of admission, but now that I've discovered this place called the library I learned you can get books for free.  It's like a book grocery store, only without any price tags and nothing to slow down my reading binges! (I am obviously joking, but I still have to wonder why I never took advantage in the past). The coolest part is my wife and I can go online, input our library card numbers, browse all available titles, reserve what we want (up to 25 or 30 titles at one time), and when our books are ready they send us an email and have the books waiting for us right inside the library entrance. No card catalogs, no searching through aisles, just an automated system that takes care of everything for us. The experience is, dare I say, fabulous.  Since January I managed to finish 23 books.  For me that is probably the most productive reading year I've ever had, including college, and I still have a number of F. Paul Wilson Repairman Jack books to get through before the end of the year. Now that I know I've already read 23 books this year, perhaps shooting for 30 isn't an unreasonable goal, especially since I have two months to read just seven more books. I'm certainly nowhere near JonathanStrange's level, but for me 20 to 30 books in a year is quite an accomplishment and a milestone I can be proud of. I'm reading far more than I ever have, and even if my reading is focused more on entertainment and adventure fiction, reading is still an admirable hobby almost regardless of content (Twilight being a bit questionable  ). And if I manage to reach my goal of 30 books this year, perhaps I can be even more productive in 2010.
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« Reply #223 on: November 03, 2009, 12:38:13 AM » |
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Finances limited purchases in the past, especially when books are first released in hardback for a hefty price of admission, but now that I've discovered this place called the library I learned you can get books for free. icon_eek It's like a book grocery store, only without any price tags and nothing to slow down my reading binges! (I am obviously joking, but I still have to wonder why I never took advantage in the past). The coolest part is my wife and I can go online, input our library card numbers, browse all available titles, reserve what we want (up to 25 or 30 titles at one time), and when our books are ready they send us an email and have the books waiting for us right inside the library entrance. No card catalogs, no searching through aisles, just an automated system that takes care of everything for us. The experience is, dare I say, fabulous. Fabulous Preach on, Preacher. I have discovered the library as well and have found it to be the bomb. Back in the day, to get a library card, it took weeks. These days? I walked in, gave my info, kapow, card in hand, books in bag. Unfortunately, my library is lacking in F. Paul Wilson books. Did try Subterranean by Rollins and couldn't finish it. Telepathic talking? For real? Anyway, I have some books on hold now and, also awesomely, the library checks out e-books! You get it for 21 days and then it removes itself. Pretty cool!
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« Reply #224 on: November 03, 2009, 01:27:04 AM » |
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Books on mp3 make driving so much easier.
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« Reply #225 on: November 03, 2009, 01:25:06 PM » |
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Books on mp3 make driving so much easier. don't count as reading.
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« Reply #226 on: November 03, 2009, 01:26:19 PM » |
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Revised total if I finish everything in my stack by years end will be 18 books. The biggest reading year I've had since college in the mid 90s. Thanks GT!
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I mentioned to my wife last night how this thread has helped me to keep track of my reading this year and that I had read far more in 2009 than ever before. She said that she was also keeping track of her finished books, and I made the mistake of asking how many. 53.  But, I guess I shouldn't be too terribly surprised as when we're driving somewhere, even just five minutes down the road, she'll crack open her current book and read while I drive. If we're watching TV but it isn't one of "her" shows (or if the baseball/football game isn't terribly exciting) she'll read during commercials or during the actual program. She reads at night before bed, on Saturday/Sunday mornings when she wakes up but doesn't feel like getting out of bed, she reads in the car, while watching TV, during her lunch breaks, etc. Problem is, if I try to engage her in conversation while I'm driving, during a football game, or during a commercial, she'll just give me "the look" and say, "You're doing it again." Meaning I'm interrupting her reading again.  She's always reading. Guess that means that since she's reading so much she isn't talking, so I should be pleased with her hobby. 
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I don't know if you can do this with the Kindle but with the Sony reader at least, for a lot of libraries you can actually borrow e-books!! It doesn't get any more convenient than that!
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« Reply #230 on: November 06, 2009, 01:53:17 PM » |
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I don't know if you can do this with the Kindle but with the Sony reader at least, for a lot of libraries you can actually borrow e-books!! It doesn't get any more convenient than that!
Can't do it with the Kindle- libraries use the Secure .epub format and the Kindle doesn't support that.
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« Reply #231 on: November 06, 2009, 09:33:18 PM » |
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I don't know if you can do this with the Kindle but with the Sony reader at least, for a lot of libraries you can actually borrow e-books!! It doesn't get any more convenient than that!
Can't do it with the Kindle- libraries use the Secure .epub format and the Kindle doesn't support that. True... but it can be done.
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« Reply #233 on: November 09, 2009, 07:01:31 PM » |
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I have read 13 books so far this year....I will probably finish with 15. I guess I will have to give up what social life I have and start reading more..............
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lildrgn
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It's not the years, it's the mileage.
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« Reply #234 on: November 11, 2009, 04:39:52 AM » |
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« Reply #235 on: November 11, 2009, 08:57:54 PM » |
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Renegade's Magic by Robin Hobb...third book in a trilogy. Enjoyed the book but not quite as good as her other series.
Azincourt by Bernard Cornwall...great battle scenes involving the dreaded English archer.
The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie
Before they are Hanged by Joe Abercrombie .. good reading, brutal violence, wonderful dialogue.
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« Reply #236 on: November 11, 2009, 09:02:30 PM » |
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Shutter Island by Dennis Lehane. Great read but holy crap can someone tell me what happened at the end? My wife and I have been debating this for 4 weeks.
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« Reply #237 on: November 12, 2009, 06:44:36 AM » |
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Shutter Island by Dennis Lehane. Great read but holy crap can someone tell me what happened at the end? My wife and I have been debating this for 4 weeks.
Or something like that. I read it last year and have gotten a bit misty on the details. I'm currently reading Lehane's Mystic River and enjoying it.
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« Reply #238 on: November 12, 2009, 03:51:54 PM » |
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Just picked up Neal Stephenson's Anathem, and since it's about a million pages long I've obviously not finished it... ...but so far it's the oddest damned book I've ever tried to read. 
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« Reply #239 on: November 13, 2009, 05:34:59 PM » |
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Just picked up Neal Stephenson's Anathem, and since it's about a million pages long I've obviously not finished it... ...but so far it's the oddest damned book I've ever tried to read.  I would have to agree. It was difficult to wrap my head around a world where scientists are sequestered away like monks from the outside world.
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