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« on: September 10, 2007, 01:45:32 AM »

I had bit of bad luck and ended up losing my entire library of music on iTunes. I decided I would use BitTorrent to re-download the music that I use to own, I used BitTorrent before a few years ago and it worked pretty well. Anyhow, the first download I've started on is the Tupac discography which is basically all the officially released albums, and it's a whopping 2.5GB in size. I've been downloading this thing for nearly 4 day straight now! It's insanely slow, but that's not the problem, the real problem is that I seem to randomly get an error which pauses the download. I'm at 53% right now but geeze, what a hassle. It sucks because I have to leave my computer on, and while its on it heats my room up. Warm room no fun.

Could it be the program I'm using or does BT just suck?
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 03:04:39 AM »

it's because U R A PIRATE!  Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh!


Seriously though, I haven't downloaded music off bitorrent in a while, but I generally didn't have any problems.  You can run into issues if there aren't enough seeders, especially with large files.  These days I use it pretty much exclusively to get tv shows I've missed, and I don't have any problems with it.

Oh yeah - is your router set up to forward your bitorrent ports?  Usually you get a green dot (or smile if you are using Azureus) vs. a yellow or red dot if you are firewalled.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM »

BitTorrent does an excellent job at sharing files, assuming you have the port(s) open that it needs, and that lots of people are also trying to download the same file.

That said - I also will not pull music or movies via BitT any more. It's just too damn dangerous. Thankfully I have other methods if I choose to do so. biggrin

BTW - uTorrent is my Torrent program of choice.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 03:28:23 AM »

I use Azureus and Ive never liked bittorrent anyways.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 04:15:36 AM »

Azureus is java-based, and java sucks (Azureus is supposed to be one of the fastest clients, but it's just not worth using anything java based: too many memory leaks, for one thing).

Use uTorrent.  It's extremely small (not even 1mb), uses hardly any system resources, and has some great features (it even has a search box in it).

Peer Guardian 2 is a pretty good utility to get as well, but I've had a bit of trouble with it's stability (so it's typical open source software).  YMMV, but it's worth checking out.


BTW, my biggest disappointment with the whole iTunes service has been that it doesn't keep track of what music you own.  I mean, how hard would it be to keep a user database for you, and allow you to redownload anything you've previously purchased?
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 05:18:39 AM »

Quote from: unbreakable on September 10, 2007, 04:15:36 AM

BTW, my biggest disappointment with the whole iTunes service has been that it doesn't keep track of what music you own.  I mean, how hard would it be to keep a user database for you, and allow you to redownload anything you've previously purchased?

Yeah, but ultimately it's my fault for not making a backup. Half of my collection I uploaded from the CDs I used to own, and those CDs have long been lost.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 05:19:28 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM

That said - I also will not pull music or movies via BitT any more. It's just too damn dangerous. Thankfully I have other methods if I choose to do so. biggrin


Gah, that makes me nervous. I hope I'm not downloading a 2.5GB virus  paranoid
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 05:36:11 AM »

If Iam not mistaken. If you purchased your music from itunes, should you not be able to redownload them at any time? 
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 05:38:32 AM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 10, 2007, 05:19:28 AM

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM

That said - I also will not pull music or movies via BitT any more. It's just too damn dangerous. Thankfully I have other methods if I choose to do so. biggrin


Gah, that makes me nervous. I hope I'm not downloading a 2.5GB virus  paranoid

I'm guessing he's referring to getting sued by the RIAA. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 02:02:50 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 10, 2007, 05:38:32 AM

Quote from: Ridah on September 10, 2007, 05:19:28 AM

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM

That said - I also will not pull music or movies via BitT any more. It's just too damn dangerous. Thankfully I have other methods if I choose to do so. biggrin
Gah, that makes me nervous. I hope I'm not downloading a 2.5GB virus  paranoid
I'm guessing he's referring to getting sued by the RIAA. 

That's exactly what I meant. I've gotten my one warning (because I dared to download a 15 year old TV program that just happened to be coming to DVD a year later, and didn't know about it at the time), and at that point I put off using a method to download stuff that people can VERY easily track.

Newsgroups for the win! biggrin
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 02:21:09 PM »

Quote from: JuniorDan on September 10, 2007, 05:36:11 AM

If Iam not mistaken. If you purchased your music from itunes, should you not be able to redownload them at any time? 

No...it's a one-time download only.

That's why I no longer purchase from them (after having lost a slew of purchased music in a HDD crash).
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 02:29:02 PM »

Quote from: Gromit on September 10, 2007, 02:21:09 PM

Quote from: JuniorDan on September 10, 2007, 05:36:11 AM

If Iam not mistaken. If you purchased your music from itunes, should you not be able to redownload them at any time? 

No...it's a one-time download only.

That's why I no longer purchase from them (after having lost a slew of purchased music in a HDD crash).

Well...it has been reported that Apple will let you download your library one time if you ask nicely (story was on Digg).  But obviously, stuff ripped from CD, you're SOL.
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 03:06:35 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 02:02:50 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 10, 2007, 05:38:32 AM

Quote from: Ridah on September 10, 2007, 05:19:28 AM

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM

That said - I also will not pull music or movies via BitT any more. It's just too damn dangerous. Thankfully I have other methods if I choose to do so. biggrin
Gah, that makes me nervous. I hope I'm not downloading a 2.5GB virus  paranoid
I'm guessing he's referring to getting sued by the RIAA. 

That's exactly what I meant. I've gotten my one warning (because I dared to download a 15 year old TV program that just happened to be coming to DVD a year later, and didn't know about it at the time), and at that point I put off using a method to download stuff that people can VERY easily track.

Newsgroups for the win! biggrin

Yeah, I've received two warnings for downloading TV shows.  I haven't heard of the networks suing anybody but it was enough to turn me away.  The scary thing is that there ware people torrenting pretty much all of their TV without issue and I only do it on the very rare occasion I forgot to Tivo something and I get busted twice. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2007, 03:20:30 PM »

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Fixed.

Only place I ever mess with this kind of thing is on a LAN.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2007, 04:39:53 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 10, 2007, 03:06:35 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 02:02:50 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 10, 2007, 05:38:32 AM

Quote from: Ridah on September 10, 2007, 05:19:28 AM

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 03:11:51 AM

That said - I also will not pull music or movies via BitT any more. It's just too damn dangerous. Thankfully I have other methods if I choose to do so. biggrin
Gah, that makes me nervous. I hope I'm not downloading a 2.5GB virus  paranoid
I'm guessing he's referring to getting sued by the RIAA. 

That's exactly what I meant. I've gotten my one warning (because I dared to download a 15 year old TV program that just happened to be coming to DVD a year later, and didn't know about it at the time), and at that point I put off using a method to download stuff that people can VERY easily track.

Newsgroups for the win! biggrin

Yeah, I've received two warnings for downloading TV shows.  I haven't heard of the networks suing anybody but it was enough to turn me away.  The scary thing is that there ware people torrenting pretty much all of their TV without issue and I only do it on the very rare occasion I forgot to Tivo something and I get busted twice. 

I'm curious - who did the warning come from?
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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2007, 04:42:11 PM »

When I do download stuff from BT I generally only use private trackers.  I'm on a couple of them and I worry less knowing things are being shared in a relatively small community.
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2007, 05:28:05 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on September 10, 2007, 04:39:53 PM

I'm curious - who did the warning come from?

My ISP via warnings they received from Paramount (episode of Enterprise of all things) and Universal (for an episode of Heroes). 
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2007, 05:39:30 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 10, 2007, 05:28:05 PM

Quote from: Teggy on September 10, 2007, 04:39:53 PM

I'm curious - who did the warning come from?
My ISP via warnings they received from Paramount (episode of Enterprise of all things) and Universal (for an episode of Heroes). 

My ISP via...well, whoever owns Quantom Leap (wanted to grab them all for my brother one day).
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2007, 05:49:57 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 10, 2007, 05:39:30 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 10, 2007, 05:28:05 PM

Quote from: Teggy on September 10, 2007, 04:39:53 PM

I'm curious - who did the warning come from?
My ISP via warnings they received from Paramount (episode of Enterprise of all things) and Universal (for an episode of Heroes). 

My ISP via...well, whoever owns Quantom Leap (wanted to grab them all for my brother one day).

I guess RCN just doesn't care.  Most recently I downloaded about 10 episodes of Lost without a peep. (and they have never peeped before).
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2007, 05:57:54 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on September 10, 2007, 05:49:57 PM

I guess RCN just doesn't care.  Most recently I downloaded about 10 episodes of Lost without a peep. (and they have never peeped before).

I think it's pretty random anyway.  Like I said, I know people who get 99% of their TV shows via torrent (non-private trackers too) with nary a peep but I do it on very rare occasions and get two notices. 
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2007, 08:04:03 PM »

Yet another reason Canada is superior - our ISP's don't jump when the MPAA and RIAA say boo.  Most of the TV I watch is downloaded.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2007, 08:12:19 PM »

Quote from: Rowdy on September 10, 2007, 08:04:03 PM

Yet another reason Canada is superior - our ISP's don't jump when the MPAA and RIAA say boo.

Lucky bastard.
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2007, 08:15:15 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on September 10, 2007, 04:15:36 AM

Azureus is java-based, and java sucks (Azureus is supposed to be one of the fastest clients, but it's just not worth using anything java based: too many memory leaks, for one thing).

Use uTorrent.  It's extremely small (not even 1mb), uses hardly any system resources, and has some great features (it even has a search box in it).

Peer Guardian 2 is a pretty good utility to get as well, but I've had a bit of trouble with it's stability (so it's typical open source software).  YMMV, but it's worth checking out.


BTW, my biggest disappointment with the whole iTunes service has been that it doesn't keep track of what music you own.  I mean, how hard would it be to keep a user database for you, and allow you to redownload anything you've previously purchased?
Wait, it doesn't remember? WTF kind of bullshit is that?
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2007, 12:48:50 PM »

Quote from: Rowdy on September 10, 2007, 08:04:03 PM

Yet another reason Canada is superior - our ISP's don't jump when the MPAA and RIAA say boo.

They are great at throttling bandwidth for applications like Skype.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2007, 03:39:55 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 10, 2007, 08:15:15 PM


Wait, it doesn't remember? WTF kind of bullshit is that?

I don't get it either.  It seems like that concept should be a given.
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2007, 04:55:25 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on September 11, 2007, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 10, 2007, 08:15:15 PM


Wait, it doesn't remember? WTF kind of bullshit is that?

I don't get it either.  It seems like that concept should be a given.

Apple most certainly knows what you have purchased.  They just don't give you the ability to redownload.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2007, 04:58:58 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on September 11, 2007, 04:55:25 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on September 11, 2007, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 10, 2007, 08:15:15 PM

Wait, it doesn't remember? WTF kind of bullshit is that?
I don't get it either.  It seems like that concept should be a given.
Apple most certainly knows what you have purchased.  They just don't give you the ability to redownload.

Exactly.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2007, 05:31:28 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on September 11, 2007, 04:58:58 PM

Quote from: Teggy on September 11, 2007, 04:55:25 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on September 11, 2007, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on September 10, 2007, 08:15:15 PM

Wait, it doesn't remember? WTF kind of bullshit is that?
I don't get it either.  It seems like that concept should be a given.
Apple most certainly knows what you have purchased.  They just don't give you the ability to redownload.

Exactly.

By the way, here is an article that backs up the "if you ask nicely" story.
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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2007, 06:49:18 PM »

Why is it that my upload rate is so much faster than my download rate? I mean seriously, I'm downloading at like 4-5kb/sec and my upload is in the mid 30s. That doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2007, 06:55:42 PM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 11, 2007, 06:49:18 PM

Why is it that my upload rate is so much faster than my download rate? I mean seriously, I'm downloading at like 4-5kb/sec and my upload is in the mid 30s. That doesn't make sense to me.

You can limit your upload rate in your settings if need be.  Download is driven by the number of people seeding the file.  If  it's just 4-5 then there is probably only one or two people seeding. 
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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2007, 06:59:24 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 11, 2007, 06:55:42 PM

Quote from: Ridah on September 11, 2007, 06:49:18 PM

Why is it that my upload rate is so much faster than my download rate? I mean seriously, I'm downloading at like 4-5kb/sec and my upload is in the mid 30s. That doesn't make sense to me.

You can limit your upload rate in your settings if need be.  Download is driven by the number of people seeding the file.  If  it's just 4-5 then there is probably only one or two people seeding. 

That's what I ended up doing because the upload was slowing my network down a ridiculous amount. Now that I capped it everything is fast again. What a crappy program though, I'm still on my first download and it's been like 4-5 days straight now.
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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2007, 07:03:27 PM »

Quote from: Ridah on September 11, 2007, 06:59:24 PM

That's what I ended up doing because the upload was slowing my network down a ridiculous amount. Now that I capped it everything is fast again. What a crappy program though, I'm still on my first download and it's been like 4-5 days straight now.

That's the nature of file sharing- you are limited by the number of people actively seeding.  There isn't some central server out there with the file.  Consequently you'll get the best speeds when a file is the most popular which usually means shortly after release.  If it's an old file then it's doubtful there are many people sharing it at any given moment. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2007, 05:04:09 AM »

OMG OMG 99.1% complete, just another few days!

It was the strangest thing, the download speed hit warp speeds for about an hour which brought me from 90% to 98% in like an hour, it was nuts. Now it's back to normal.
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