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Question: What in your opinion is the best James Bond film?
Dr. No
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
You Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Diamonds Are Forever
Live and Let Die
The Man With the Golden Gun
The Spy Who Loved Me
Moonraker
For Your Eyes Only
Octopussy
A View To A Kill
The Living Daylights
License To Kill
Goldeneye
Tomorrow Never Dies
The World Is Not Enough
Die Another Day
Casino Royale
Never Say Never Again (not an official Bond film)

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« on: January 25, 2007, 05:37:17 PM »

I recently got all 4 of the new Bond DVD sets (which are awesome by the way) and have begun watching them religiously. It got me thinking, what is considered the BEST Bond movie to most people? I know Connery is considered the best Bond, but as films go, I thought it would be cool to see what everyone thinks is the best.

Personally, for me, I like From Russia With Love, in a squeaker, over Goldeneye.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2007, 05:42:46 PM »

It was a very tough choice between Goldfinger and Thunderball for me....
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2007, 05:43:25 PM »

Casino Royale for me.

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2007, 05:44:05 PM »

I assume your poll is talking about the new Casino Royale and not the comedy with David Niven.
Personally I always thought Roger Moore was a hoot. However I have to go with Goldfinger and the "new" fancy gadgets and car they came up with for the movie.

PS. I have them all but most are on VHS. My wife got me a VHS to DVD converter and I converted them all to DVD. Good enough for TV quality but not first rate conversions.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2007, 05:47:54 PM »

Lazenby & Diana Rigg FTW!
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2007, 05:50:21 PM »

OHMSS... the only answer tot his question.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2007, 05:51:30 PM »

I will say this though, the intro to Tomorrow Never Dies, with him stealing that MIG and flying out of the mountains while that cruise missle closes in on their position is the best of the Bond intros.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2007, 05:55:22 PM »

For me this is a no-brainer.  Casino Royale by far.  And I also consider Daniel Craig to be my favorite Bond of the group as well.  I can't remember having as much fun at the movies as I had watching Casino Royale, although Rocky Balboa would be a very close second.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2007, 06:02:21 PM »

It's been so long since I've seen any of the ones that I've seen, I don't even recall which was my favorite.

I think I stopped after Denise Richards played a rocket scientist.  After that stinker, couldn't bring myself to see another new one. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 06:06:11 PM »

Quote from: th'FOOL on January 25, 2007, 05:42:46 PM

It was a very tough choice between Goldfinger and Thunderball for me....

My top two as well, I went with Thunderball for the poll.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 06:08:40 PM »

Quote from: JLu on January 25, 2007, 06:02:21 PM

It's been so long since I've seen any of the ones that I've seen, I don't even recall which was my favorite.

I think I stopped after Denise Richards played a rocket scientist.  After that stinker, couldn't bring myself to see another new one. 

Yeah, thats TWINE, not a very good one (but nowhere near the worst, that distinction goes to You Only Live Twice). Die Another Day was pretty good, a bit over the top, but still good, and Casino Royale is excellent I have heard.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 06:12:14 PM »

I'm torn. I voted for "From Russia With Love" because it just squeeks by "Goldfinger" in my book. For whatever reason, I just have the hardest time getting past the 60's fashions in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" which is the only demerit against it in my book. "Casino Royale" brought James Bond roaring back to life and did so with such style and energy that it's number 4 on my list while somehow jockeying amongst the others for the #1 spot. I think I may wait for the follow-up to revisit the list because if "Casino Royale" was an aberration and the rest of the Craig films suck then I'll leave it be at #4.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 06:13:30 PM »

Quote from: jblank on January 25, 2007, 06:08:40 PM

Yeah, thats TWINE, not a very good one (but nowhere near the worst, that distinction goes to You Only Live Twice). Die Another Day was pretty good, a bit over the top, but still good, and Casino Royale is excellent I have heard.

I disagree. I liked "You Only Live Twice" for a number of reasons and point to "Moonraker" as practically irredeemable save for the hot French chick who gets taken down by the guard dogs. Other than her, the film is useless beyond belief.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 06:20:30 PM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on January 25, 2007, 06:13:30 PM

Quote from: jblank on January 25, 2007, 06:08:40 PM

Yeah, thats TWINE, not a very good one (but nowhere near the worst, that distinction goes to You Only Live Twice). Die Another Day was pretty good, a bit over the top, but still good, and Casino Royale is excellent I have heard.

I disagree. I liked "You Only Live Twice" for a number of reasons and point to "Moonraker" as practically irredeemable save for the hot French chick who gets taken down by the guard dogs. Other than her, the film is useless beyond belief.

Thats cool, and to be fair, BOTH of those put me to sleep. YOLT is just so pointless and is only mildly redeemed by Donald Pleasance. I didn't care for Bond being "undercover" for his ridiculous face altering (which was laughable seeing as how he towered over everyone else), the subplot of the marriage, or really the entire story behind the movie, mainly because it should have taken about 30 seconds for someone to figure out that it would have been impossible for either the US or USSR to be behind the space thefts.
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 06:46:11 PM »

All the Bond talk got me wanting some more info on a couple of movies, so I went to IMDB and ended up on Roger Moore's page. Someone made a post asking if Roger Moore was Michael Moore's father.....the rest is pure comedy gold.

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 06:56:13 PM »

Why is Never Say Never Again not an official Bond film?
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 07:10:00 PM »

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Why is Never Say Never Again not an official Bond film?


Because it isn't. Back in the day, the rights to make the Bond films were owned by another producer alongside Cubby Broccoli and they split after Thunderball sometime. The other producer only had the rights to remake the Thunderball storyline which is what he did with Never Say Never Again with the hopes that it would let me have an alternate Bond franchise. That plan was mercifully taken behind the woodshed and shot.

That's the short version.
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 07:24:01 PM »

Quote from: jblank on January 25, 2007, 06:46:11 PM

All the Bond talk got me wanting some more info on a couple of movies, so I went to IMDB and ended up on Roger Moore's page. Someone made a post asking if Roger Moore was Michael Moore's father.....the rest is pure comedy gold.

OMG, that's hilarious.  I had no idea Demi Moore was related to Michael Moore.


I really like "Goldfinger", but I also really like Timothy Dalton's Bond films.  Casino Royale was excellent, as well.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 07:44:29 PM »

I voted for Goldfinger.  Classic Bond with a good plot and interesting villains.  Close behind it, I would go with From Russia With Love, Thunderball and Tomorrow Never Dies, although TND suffers from having a lame bad guy.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2007, 08:11:09 PM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on January 25, 2007, 07:10:00 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on January 25, 2007, 06:56:13 PM

Why is Never Say Never Again not an official Bond film?


Because it isn't. Back in the day, the rights to make the Bond films were owned by another producer alongside Cubby Broccoli and they split after Thunderball sometime. The other producer only had the rights to remake the Thunderball storyline which is what he did with Never Say Never Again with the hopes that it would let me have an alternate Bond franchise. That plan was mercifully taken behind the woodshed and shot.

That's the short version.

And my god was it a bad movie.
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2007, 08:11:50 PM »

Having not seen the recent Casino Royale, my favorite single movie has to be the sad, touching, very Bond On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2007, 08:12:24 PM »

I know I will be the only one in this category:

Moonraker

By far my favorite Bond film, as well as Roger Moore, the best Bond in my opinion.

If you ask me this is a tired old topic.  Most people like the Bond and movies they grew up with.  For me it was the Roger Moore era, therefore he is the Bond I watched and loved.  I have many fond memories of Moore's Bond films.  If I were a teenager now I would probably say the Brosnan films and if I were a teenager in the sixties I'm sure I would have loved the Connery films. 

And for you Moore haters out there go and pick up the DVD "ffolkes" starring Roger Moore and Anthony Perkins.  Excellent film where an eccentric/rich Moore runs his own "navy seals" type of unit working for Lloyds of London when he is called upon to stop a maniac (Perkins) who has commandeered a supply ship and has several limpet mines planted under two of Britain's largest off shore oil platforms.  Great film.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 08:52:40 PM »

I voted Live and Let Die.  First, even though Moore is not my favorite Bond this is his first movie and all the Moore Bond elements we associate with him are not in this movie.  Second, it has the classic McCartney theme song.  Third, it has a young Jane Seymour - enuff said.  Fourth, it has a great motorboat extended chase sequence that is generally believed to be the inspiration for the Smokey and the Bandit movies.  Fifth, it was the last movie that was true to a Fleming novel in any significant way.

Sadly, I would say the movie they did right after, The Man with the Golden Gun, is possibly the worst Bond movie ever.

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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 08:54:09 PM »

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Quote from: JLu on January 25, 2007, 06:02:21 PM

It's been so long since I've seen any of the ones that I've seen, I don't even recall which was my favorite.

I think I stopped after Denise Richards played a rocket scientist.  After that stinker, couldn't bring myself to see another new one. 

Yeah, thats TWINE, not a very good one (but nowhere near the worst, that distinction goes to You Only Live Twice).

Ironically, as bad as YOLT is, when it was remade as "The Spy Who Loved Me" in 1977, that film ended up being one of the best Bond flicks evah.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 09:05:25 PM »

Casino Royale for me. It removed all the little annoyances that plagued pretty much every Bond movie ever but kept the parts that make the character and the whole idea fun.
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2007, 09:39:49 PM »

Looking at the poll it's funny to see what everyone's reactions to the franchise have been. Of course, admitting Moonraker is your favorite Bond movie is enough to get you voted out of the thread so everyone should keep that in mind for the future. icon_twisted
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2007, 09:49:32 PM »

Quote from: Fireball1244 on January 25, 2007, 08:54:09 PM

Quote from: jblank on January 25, 2007, 06:08:40 PM

Quote from: JLu on January 25, 2007, 06:02:21 PM

It's been so long since I've seen any of the ones that I've seen, I don't even recall which was my favorite.

I think I stopped after Denise Richards played a rocket scientist.  After that stinker, couldn't bring myself to see another new one. 

Yeah, thats TWINE, not a very good one (but nowhere near the worst, that distinction goes to You Only Live Twice).

Ironically, as bad as YOLT is, when it was remade as "The Spy Who Loved Me" in 1977, that film ended up being one of the best Bond flicks evah.

The only remakes are Thunderball being remade as Never Say Never Again.  You Only Live Twice is a fairly decent version of Fleming's novel (though the novel is darker and Bond is killed off at the end) while Spy Who Loved Me is a completely made up story using the title of a horrible Fleming novel which was written from the perspective of a young woman Bond sleeps with.
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2007, 11:59:54 PM »

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Quote from: Fireball1244 on January 25, 2007, 08:54:09 PM

Quote from: jblank on January 25, 2007, 06:08:40 PM

Quote from: JLu on January 25, 2007, 06:02:21 PM

It's been so long since I've seen any of the ones that I've seen, I don't even recall which was my favorite.

I think I stopped after Denise Richards played a rocket scientist.  After that stinker, couldn't bring myself to see another new one. 

Yeah, thats TWINE, not a very good one (but nowhere near the worst, that distinction goes to You Only Live Twice).

Ironically, as bad as YOLT is, when it was remade as "The Spy Who Loved Me" in 1977, that film ended up being one of the best Bond flicks evah.

The only remakes are Thunderball being remade as Never Say Never Again.  You Only Live Twice is a fairly decent version of Fleming's novel (though the novel is darker and Bond is killed off at the end) while Spy Who Loved Me is a completely made up story using the title of a horrible Fleming novel which was written from the perspective of a young woman Bond sleeps with.

TSWLM film is basically a remake of the story from YOLT, only the villain is stealing nuclear submarines instead of orbital satellites. Since Fleming's estate licensed only the title, not the story, to TSWLM to EON, they chose to loosely recylce a previous film for the plot of the adaptation. The first production made solely by Brocolli (Saltzman had left at this point, ending what had become a very tumultuous business arrangement), it featured the same sort of grandeur as YOLT (the great tanker set vs. the great volcano set) and ended up being one of the highpoints of the series.

While not "strictly" a remake, it was a concscious reuse of the basic plot elements of YOLT to create a "new" movie. The same trick was used a few films later when they basically redid the beat-for-beat plot of Goldfinger, only about silicon valley, in the far less artistically successful "A View to a Kill."
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2007, 12:28:00 AM »

Starshifter i wont leave you hanging out to dry - moonraker and octopussy are my favs

i also like the one with teehee, though i cant remember which it was (yes, take away my bond license)

oh, and despite an awesome cast - a view to a kill IS in fact the worst bond ever, not moonraker
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 12:34:52 AM »

View to a Kill had Walken and a zepplin sneaking up on Tanya Roberts ergo it gets one point higher than Moonraker on my scale. icon_lol

TSWLM also has the distinction of being the only Bond film that Stanley Kubrick helped out on. He was called in to help light the set where the submarines were in the tanker and dang near had a heart attack when he saw the size of it.
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2007, 02:22:56 AM »

Quote from: whiteboyskim on January 26, 2007, 12:34:52 AM

View to a Kill had Walken and a zepplin sneaking up on Tanya Roberts ergo it gets one point higher than Moonraker on my scale. icon_lol

TSWLM also has the distinction of being the only Bond film that Stanley Kubrick helped out on. He was called in to help light the set where the submarines were in the tanker and dang near had a heart attack when he saw the size of it.

Personally, I just could never get into View to a Kill. It was just wierd.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2007, 06:34:50 AM »

Quote from: Calvin on January 26, 2007, 02:22:56 AM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on January 26, 2007, 12:34:52 AM

View to a Kill had Walken and a zepplin sneaking up on Tanya Roberts ergo it gets one point higher than Moonraker on my scale. icon_lol

TSWLM also has the distinction of being the only Bond film that Stanley Kubrick helped out on. He was called in to help light the set where the submarines were in the tanker and dang near had a heart attack when he saw the size of it.

Personally, I just could never get into View to a Kill. It was just wierd.
...and it had Grace Jones.  Ick.
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2007, 06:35:59 AM »

Quote from: Nth Power on January 26, 2007, 06:34:50 AM

Quote from: Calvin on January 26, 2007, 02:22:56 AM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on January 26, 2007, 12:34:52 AM

View to a Kill had Walken and a zepplin sneaking up on Tanya Roberts ergo it gets one point higher than Moonraker on my scale. icon_lol

TSWLM also has the distinction of being the only Bond film that Stanley Kubrick helped out on. He was called in to help light the set where the submarines were in the tanker and dang near had a heart attack when he saw the size of it.

Personally, I just could never get into View to a Kill. It was just wierd.
...and it had Grace Jones.  Ick.

Eww I actually forgot that until you reminded me. Why??
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2007, 01:54:39 PM »

A View to a Kill is by far the worst Bond movie.  Horrible, horrible movie.

As for the best, for now I'll say a three way tie between Casino Royale, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Goldeneye but I need to see Casino Royale a few more times. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2007, 02:37:49 PM »

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A View to a Kill is by far the worst Bond movie.  Horrible, horrible movie.

As for the best, for now I'll say a three way tie between Casino Royale, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Goldeneye but I need to see Casino Royale a few more times. 

What makes it bad for you guys? Ok, so GJ was miscast, and Tanya Roberts???????? She was bad, but it wasn't THAT awful....was it?
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2007, 02:56:13 PM »

What amazes me is that people can actually choose Casino Royale as their favorite Bond movie of all time and some even say Craig is their favorite Bond - after one movie???  saywhat  Come on.  I think that is simply the newness of the film that is making people say its their favorite of all time.  Let him make a few more films to see how things pan out.

I do agree that A View to a Kill was not a good movie.  I liked the story, but it just did not click for me.  That was one too many for Moore as he was too old for the part by then.

But why the hatred for Moonraker?  You do realize it was made in 1979 at the height of all the sci fi craze, especially with the prior release of Star Wars and Close Encounters.  Come on people think about when the movie was made before you rip it.  Michael Lonsdale as Drax was devious and warped, just like a Bond villian should be.  Jaws rocks and I loved the fact that he became Bond's friend in the movie.  And the whole storyline of wiping out millions of people on Earth, sparing the wildlife and fauna, to create a new race of genetically perfect humans to repopulate the Earth and ruled by one maniac is just so darn cool and so Bond!  And of course, Dr. Holly Goodhead!  nod

Keep in mind that each Bond series of films are the product of the decade they were made in.  Connery (1960's), Moore (late 1970's-early 1980's), Brosnan (1990's) and Craig (2000's).
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2007, 03:04:48 PM »

Quote from: jblank on January 26, 2007, 02:37:49 PM

What makes it bad for you guys? Ok, so GJ was miscast, and Tanya Roberts???????? She was bad, but it wasn't THAT awful....was it?

Several things:

1) Moore was way too old.  They practically had to get a stunt double just for his walking scenes.

2) This is a personal quibble but the James Bond films that have largely taken place in the US are usually the ones I like the least (Diamonds are Forever included though Goldfinger is a notable exception).  Maybe people in other locations feel differently but Silicon Valley and San Franciso just aren't exotic to me.

3) Action scenes were boring.  The Bond films prior to the 90s always sort of had an issue where the integration between first unit stuff and second unit stuff was poor and View to a Kill is probably the worst where it felt like the actions sequences were done by an entirely different film crew at different times.  The earlier films could get a away with it to an extent because the stunts themselves were spectacular but I'm hard pressed to think of anything particularly notable in this film.

4) Plot was boring, boring, boring.  Tanya Roberts is an incredibly weak bond girl as well.

Christopher Walken is pretty much the only saving grace for the film to me....well, I do dig the theme song (it's going through my head as we speak).   
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2007, 03:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Starshifter on January 26, 2007, 02:56:13 PM

What amazes me is that people can actually choose Casino Royale as their favorite Bond movie of all time and some even say Craig is their favorite Bond - after one movie???  saywhat  Come on.  I think that is simply the newness of the film that is making people say its their favorite of all time.  Let him make a few more films to see how things pan out.

I do agree that A View to a Kill was not a good movie.  I liked the story, but it just did not click for me.  That was one too many for Moore as he was too old for the part by then.

But why the hatred for Moonraker?  You do realize it was made in 1979 at the height of all the sci fi craze, especially with the prior release of Star Wars and Close Encounters.  Come on people think about when the movie was made before you rip it.  Michael Lonsdale as Drax was devious and warped, just like a Bond villian should be.  Jaws rocks and I loved the fact that he became Bond's friend in the movie.  And the whole storyline of wiping out millions of people on Earth, sparing the wildlife and fauna, to create a new race of genetically perfect humans to repopulate the Earth and ruled by one maniac is just so darn cool and so Bond!  And of course, Dr. Holly Goodhead!  nod

Keep in mind that each Bond series of films are the product of the decade they were made in.  Connery (1960's), Moore (late 1970's-early 1980's), Brosnan (1990's) and Craig (2000's).

Moonraker's "problems" lie in its gross implausibility, particularly once they get to space. Now, I love Sci-Fi and I have the ability to suspend disbelief, you have to, but Moonraker was SO over the top, so ridiculous, that it became a distraction, for me at least. I agree, Drax was a good villian, one of the bette, and the stuff on Earth was good, but the last 30 minutes of the film were just dreadful. After watching the DVD set version last week, I found it did not hold up well at all.

Ditto your comments about Craig and Casino Royale, too soon for it to be called the best.
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2007, 03:06:59 PM »

I think it's too soon to call Craig the best Bond but I don't really see a problem with calling it the best film.  Whether Craig's follow up work is up to the same standards doesn't have a bearing on CR's actual quality.

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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2007, 03:07:30 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on January 26, 2007, 03:04:48 PM

Quote from: jblank on January 26, 2007, 02:37:49 PM

What makes it bad for you guys? Ok, so GJ was miscast, and Tanya Roberts???????? She was bad, but it wasn't THAT awful....was it?

Several things:

1) Moore was way too old.  They practically had to get a stunt double just for his walking scenes.

2) This is a personal quibble but the James Bond films that have largely taken place in the US are usually the ones I like the least (Diamonds are Forever included though Goldfinger is a notable exception).  Maybe people in other locations feel differently but Silicon Valley and San Franciso just aren't exotic to me.

3) Action scenes were boring.  The Bond films prior to the 90s always sort of had an issue where the integration between first unit stuff and second unit stuff was poor and View to a Kill is probably the worst where it felt like the actions sequences were done by an entirely different film crew at different times.  The earlier films could get a away with it to an extent because the stunts themselves were spectacular but I'm hard pressed to think of anything particularly notable in this film.

4) Plot was boring, boring, boring.  Tanya Roberts is an incredibly weak bond girl as well.

Christopher Walken is pretty much the only saving grace for the film to me....well, I do dig the theme song (it's going through my head as we speak).   

Valid complaints and a few I agree with, but I just can't call it the worst.
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