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« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2008, 04:49:46 PM »

Quote from: Purge on May 07, 2008, 01:55:04 PM

David C isn't aloof, he just knows he's better than the competition.

EXACTLY!

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Be that as it may, he may not actually WANT to win. It's not like he isn't heading for a record deal anyways.

He doesn't need Idol anymore. He's got it made.
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« Reply #81 on: May 07, 2008, 05:31:33 PM »

Arclight, I'm the only gay guy who posts here (I think), unless you wanna count YK  stirthepot

Definitely agree with Purge and PaulBot, David C may be better off not winning - he may have more freedom in making his first album that way.  I think the winner (or was it top 2?) is committed to being produced by the show?  But also agree he comes across kind of smug and aloof, I don't think it's on purpose.  At least he's a good sport on group nights.

Toe, I had the same problem with sound, I thought it was something wrong with my stereo settings so I kept re-checking.  Glad to hear it was a universal issue, maybe something to do with HD/5.1 sound?

also agree with Austin on Syesha, her comments seemed to contradict themselves but she was very emotional and probably blundered her prepared speech, so she gets a pass from me.  It was also my impression she started crying because she was touched by what Paula said, not because she was upset by what Randy said, not sure what to make of that.  Either way I think it worked to her advantage.

Jason - they should allow some sort of escape clause for people who want out.  Have Jeff Probst come in and say something mean, then escort them off the show.  I feel bad for the people like Carly and Brooke who were dying to stay on the show after watching him essentially try to get voted off.  Or maybe they should allow the judges to factor in to the decisions a la Dancing with the Stars.  I wouldn't be surprised if he stays around again this week.


P.S.  ... oh yeah, I realize David A is jailbait lol, at least until Dec 28 2008.   icon_twisted
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« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2008, 06:43:26 PM »

Quote from: Toe on May 07, 2008, 12:26:04 PM

Not sure wtf was going on with my sound, if it was the our DVR recording or the HD feed, but we basically had no band sound for the entire competition. You could just barely hear anything at all from the band, so it was really hard to get a good feel for any of the performances. Only time I could hear the band was when they did the recap of the performances at the end. frown

We had exactly the same experience. I was wondering if it was a 5.1/DTS sound thing where they didn't turn up sound for the center channel (we have DTS).

One thing it did do is keep a focus on the vocals. Even though I'm bored to death of David A his vocals are really strong on their own. Out of the 4 I think only David A and Sayesha could get away with doing a good acapella performance.
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« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2008, 07:05:58 PM »

Sayesha is headed straight for Broadway, Castro is headed straight for heavy rotation on your local Starbucks/Borders/Barnes & Noble in-house label, Cook is headed straight for Daughtryland (with more crossover to alt-rock stations) and Archuleta is headed first to a date with Purge's shovel, then straight for irrelevancy  (See Hicks, Taylor) or life on the Grandma circuit (see Groban, Josh, or Aiken, Clay) .
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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2008, 07:06:32 PM »

After David C's Who performance, I disagree.

Cook has some good pipes. His range is more limited, but at least he doesn't sound like he's heavy breathing through a toilet paper tube.
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« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2008, 02:49:01 AM »

Bye Jason. I think he was relieved his number came up. Nice kid, I hope he does well in what ever path music leads him.

Come on Sayesha!!! You can do it girl!!
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« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2008, 03:38:51 AM »

" next week is 3 songs; I have no idea what I would have done..."

I'm a Little Teapot, Itsy Bitsy Spider, and Happy Birthday ?
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« Reply #87 on: May 08, 2008, 10:42:32 AM »

Quote from: Purge on May 08, 2008, 03:38:51 AM

" next week is 3 songs; I have no idea what I would have done..."

I'm a Little Teapot, Itsy Bitsy Spider, and Happy Birthday ?

hahah, ooo you're bad........
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« Reply #88 on: May 08, 2008, 07:10:40 PM »

Glad to see Jason go. He did terrible and deserved to be booted, period. deadhorse

My favorites in order: David C & Syesha. I just don't like David A's type of music, but he is very good and may deserve to win. I think all three of them will go on to successful singing careers of some sort.

Next week the worst of the best will leave. There isn't anybody left that I'd point at and say "they suck, they should leave", but somebody has to go. I predict Syesha. That leaves the battle of the David's. David A will probably win it, but I'll be rooting (and voting) for David C!
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« Reply #89 on: May 08, 2008, 07:15:40 PM »

Grrr. Archuleta is about as irritating as that no-neck chick from last year.
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« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2008, 09:59:28 PM »

Thank goodness Jason is finally gone!  Clearly it was too much for him and he wanted out, so good riddance.  I actually think he was more or less trying to get voted out the week he did "Memory" but who knows.Anyway, as discussed, I still think everyone is just fodder for the David vs. David matchup. 

So let's do some gamer-like analysis.  If we take Ryan's comments about the numbers on faith, approx. 51 million votes.  The Top 3 (David A, David C and Syesha) were each within a million from each other (unless I misunderstood), so it could have been something like:

Archie: 15
Cook: 14
Syesha: 13
Jason: 9

The big question is who will Jason (and presumably Syesha) voters go with?  Assuming some people will just not vote, there's still around 20 million votes up for grabs in the finale.  My guess is the young girl vote may be the deciding factor, and will slightly favor lil David. 

Now of course there's nothing saying that A and C are reversed from what I predicted above, Ryan never specifically said who was #1.  For all we know Syesha could have been #1 and they are deliberately manipulating the voter base.  That would be cool (though unlikely) if she somehow pulled an upset.
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« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2008, 10:10:25 PM »

Now here is a thought. The voters for our boy Jason wouldn't typically be the same type of voters that are going for the David's...especially the younger one.

So the back lash might be that they would go for the under dog. Cue my girl Syeesha...

She just might pick up the quirky-Jason voters.........I'm hoping anyway...

I've seen it happen before. The shoe ins end up cancelling each other out..........again one can only hope.

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« Reply #92 on: May 09, 2008, 06:05:48 PM »

Yeah, this season could definitely use some kind of upset.

And don't forget, as the LA Times also pointed out today, Ryan never actually said Syesha was in the bottom 2 the past couple of weeks.  He just brought her along each time.  Technically we don't know what any of the placements were.  He's been very coy about what he says, and generally just implies someone was #1, someone else was bottom 2, etc the past couple of weeks.  What he did say was that 3 of the 4 had all been #1 at some point and that the top 3 were within 2 million as previously discussed.  Actual placements could have been any where, and with such a small statistic difference between the 3 (only 4%), you never know...
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« Reply #93 on: May 11, 2008, 04:12:31 PM »

Quote from: Geezer on May 07, 2008, 07:05:58 PM

Sayesha is headed straight for Broadway, Castro is headed straight for heavy rotation on your local Starbucks/Borders/Barnes & Noble in-house label, Cook is headed straight for Daughtryland (with more crossover to alt-rock stations) and Archuleta is headed first to a date with Purge's shovel, then straight for irrelevancy  (See Hicks, Taylor) or life on the Grandma circuit (see Groban, Josh, or Aiken, Clay) .

 icon_lol Good Stuff

Darth A needs the Idol win badly, or maybe daddy does more?

David C is already set, win-win for him.
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« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2008, 11:36:33 PM »

Quote from: tripwire on May 11, 2008, 04:12:31 PM


Darth A needs the Idol win badly, or maybe daddy does more?


His father has been banned from all backstage activities, as of yesterday. Too much meddling, from what I read.
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« Reply #95 on: May 14, 2008, 04:22:16 AM »

I call FOUL!!!!!

Judge and Producer's choices clearly favor David Cook it was absolutely ridiculous.  Did they decide David Cook could sell more so they thought they should rig it?

Analysis:

David A.  Given 2 boring ballads, he did the best he could with them.  His voice sounded beautiful, both songs were "pretty" but that's about the most you can say.  Neither was memorable, neither felt special.  Of the 3 songs, I thought his own choice made for the most memorable performance, if only because he seemed awkward doing something different and current, shakin' his cute little ass around.  The beginning was really rough for him, but he really hit his stride in the middle of the song and pulled it off to my surprise.  I could have picked a hundred better songs for him.  Easy anything from Josh Groban, particularly You Raise Me Up would have been awesome.  Something from U2, One or With or Without You, anything to let him stretch and push his vocals.  Anyway, clearly he got screwed, particularly by the producers.  Dan Fogelberg?  Huh?  No wonder his father was kicked out, was probably protesting the bullshit song choice they gave his son.  Didn't help for him to get Paula making his choice either. 

Syesha.  I liked her doing Alicia Keys, but it kind of goes back to my earlier comments where she appears to be Alicia-lite.  Still she did great.  I thought her Fever was fun and sexy, a good middle choice, though given her crappy producer's choice she may have been better off opting for a power ballad or some kind of show tune (Dreamgirls maybe?).  Also screwed by the producers though not quite as badly, she ends with a fun Rihanna/Beyonce-ish song.  Of course if they were going to go that route, why not do something really fun like Umbrella or Irreplaceable.  I know Syesha would have pulled either of those hits off very well.

David Cook - I loved Simon's choice for him, possibly his best pure vocal in the competition.  A little weird singing it to his mom, but also kind of sweet.  (Side note: I love the "cougars for Cook" sign - kinda creepy) His own choice was actually fairly lame, I'm sure he could have picked just about any current rock song here and done something better.  Just OK for me.  Then the producers give him a free pass with "Don't wanna miss a thing" in the closing spot, complete with extra violinists.  Hell they should have just gave him a full orchestra and choir and crown him while they were at it.  His performance was pretty good, but I was too busy seething from the clear favoritism.

Anyway, I call shenanigans!  Still looks like D and D in the finals unless something crazy happens.  Not impossible though, so who knows.
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« Reply #96 on: May 14, 2008, 06:16:27 AM »

It's gonna be a D vs. D finale. Syesha did a good job, but somebody must go. I'm really gonna miss those legs.

Note to the producers: quit putting that stupid blue banner across the bottom of the screen when Syeshas wearing a short skirt!  icon_evil
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« Reply #97 on: May 14, 2008, 06:31:50 AM »

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Yeah, it would have been great to see One turned into a Disney-esque pop ballad by American Idol's cheesiest contestant since Constantine slywink.
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« Reply #98 on: May 14, 2008, 06:39:37 AM »

Nobody is thinking it a bad thing that the producers are using Idol to push previous failurs out to the masses, instead of just picking people "off the street" as its supposed to be?
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« Reply #99 on: May 14, 2008, 09:13:45 AM »

Yeah, the spot light does seem to shine brighter when David C. is performing...
I really thought all 3 did a job worthy of their current positions in the competition.

But the writting's on the wall for my girl Syesha. Some lucky guy will have her all to himself again shortly...well, almost.

I predict David Cook as your newwwwww Americannnnnnnnnn Idollllllll.
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« Reply #100 on: May 14, 2008, 12:47:13 PM »

David C butchered that switchfoot song.  He should have never had picked it out anyways, that song needs a lot of build up and you can't do that in 1:30 mins.
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« Reply #101 on: May 14, 2008, 01:03:03 PM »

Bah. Archuleta's date with a snow-shovel looms. Oh, and they ALWAYS give Dave A a pass; he could fucking cough a lung up on stage and Randy Jackson would still be giving him a hand-job. He's a goddamned muppet and he can stay the HELL away from U2. He already butchered enough classics ... the Beatles week was about the only one I thought was praiseworthy; his Neil Diamond song (the 2nd one) was atrocious enough to remove that +. I'm not saying he can't sing; he can... it's too bad they're running his voice through a synth that is set to "vaccuum cleaner tube". Seriously; blow your nose first or something. I realize it's the largest oriface on your head, but seriously. Aim for the mouth. (rittchard, that one was just for you slywink)

I really hope Syesha kicks David A out; I wouldn't even mind her winning. She's come a long way. Hot, sassy and talented. She's headed to broadway for sure.

Dave C doesn't need AI; AI needs Dave C. Cowell was giving DC a song that would cut into the fanbase of the other contestants; I think that's where they (and the producers) were going with all of those song choices. He's great and deserves the adoration in this competition. Rock solid every week. (there was the Sgt.Pepper outfit one week and that was his low spot).
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« Reply #102 on: May 14, 2008, 01:06:57 PM »

Quote from: naednek on May 14, 2008, 12:47:13 PM

David C butchered that switchfoot song.  He should have never had picked it out anyways, that song needs a lot of build up and you can't do that in 1:30 mins.

I don't know if butchered; it was a rough in those transitions though. He should have picked Nickelback... maybe he could have done something GOOD with one of those songs. Tongue
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« Reply #103 on: May 14, 2008, 05:39:34 PM »

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Something from U2, One or With or Without You, anything to let him stretch and push his vocals

Yeah, it would have been great to see One turned into a Disney-esque pop ballad by American Idol's cheesiest contestant since Constantine slywink.

The fact is no one knows what he could or would have done with a more interesting and challenging song because it wasn't chosen and he hasn't taken one on all season.  (I was thinking he could do something along the lines closer to last year's Mary J Blige version, soul it up a bit.)  Personally I think he has enough talent to pull amazing things off - but he needs specific guidance (professional, not from his dad) to make it happen. 

In any case, whatever else you folk think about him, you can't tell me there wasn't a disparity in the producers' choices.  One of the biggest hits of all time, a known crowd pleaser for Cook vs. a mildly known penguin song for Syesha and an unknown boring old love song for Archie?  I call BS.
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« Reply #104 on: May 14, 2008, 06:23:33 PM »

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Something from U2, One or With or Without You, anything to let him stretch and push his vocals

Yeah, it would have been great to see One turned into a Disney-esque pop ballad by American Idol's cheesiest contestant since Constantine slywink.

The fact is no one knows what he could or would have done with a more interesting and challenging song because it wasn't chosen and he hasn't taken one on all season.  (I was thinking he could do something along the lines closer to last year's Mary J Blige version, soul it up a bit.)  Personally I think he has enough talent to pull amazing things off - but he needs specific guidance (professional, not from his dad) to make it happen. 

In any case, whatever else you folk think about him, you can't tell me there wasn't a disparity in the producers' choices.  One of the biggest hits of all time, a known crowd pleaser for Cook vs. a mildly known penguin song for Syesha and an unknown boring old love song for Archie?  I call BS.

What BS?  Those are the exact same genres the singers themselves have been self-selecting all season long.  Paula Abdul picked what is arguably one of Billy Joel's most introspective songs which, when done *right* is both amazingly sparse and amazingly moving.. and Archuleta cheesed it up (to no one's surprise).  He has one sound - generic.  Admittedly he's very GOOD at it, but come on.  His talent is a mile wide and about as deep as a puddle after a rainstorm.  Give him a few years, and some time out of the 'burbs and he could be great.  But not now - now when he sings those ballads he's an act.

As for Cook, they guy is older, more experienced, and much more comfortable expressing himself via the music, and it shows. 
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« Reply #105 on: May 14, 2008, 07:55:34 PM »

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The fact is no one knows what he could or would have done with a more interesting and challenging song because it wasn't chosen and he hasn't taken one on all season.  (I was thinking he could do something along the lines closer to last year's Mary J Blige version, soul it up a bit.)  Personally I think he has enough talent to pull amazing things off - but he needs specific guidance (professional, not from his dad) to make it happen. 

That's the problem with Archuleta. He's an incredible instrument looking for an artist. Maybe as he matures he will develop artistry, but he's not even close to being there yet.
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« Reply #106 on: May 14, 2008, 07:59:49 PM »

Coop nailed it. Oh, I'll let him have a swing with the shovel too. Tongue


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« Reply #107 on: May 14, 2008, 09:23:54 PM »

sigh...so be it then....
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« Reply #108 on: May 15, 2008, 06:07:05 AM »

Saw that one coming weeks ago. Can't wait to watch Cook steamroller the brat next week.
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« Reply #109 on: May 15, 2008, 12:05:56 PM »

This reminds me of a Disney showdown. The dark, brooding villain (Cook), up against the happy-go-lucky Mickey Mouse (Archuleta).

Unfortunately, it will probably end like a Disney showdown. Cook will be foiled when he has to sing the Hannah Montanah pop-song they've written for the finals, and Mickey will coast to a win.

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« Reply #110 on: May 15, 2008, 12:22:14 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on May 15, 2008, 12:05:56 PM

This reminds me of a Disney showdown. The dark, brooding villain (Cook), up against the happy-go-lucky Mickey Mouse (Archuleta).

Unfortunately, it will probably end like a Disney showdown. Cook will be foiled when he has to sing the Hannah Montanah pop-song they've written for the finals, and Mickey will coast to a win.


Will be interesting to see how much latitude Cook gets with the song in light of how they basically hosed that Blake kid last year.
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« Reply #111 on: May 15, 2008, 12:41:48 PM »

I cant stand Archelleta, he's very bland, and I can't stand all the gah gahs he gets from the girls.  I don't really care overall about American Idol, but my wife watches it, and I have to be tortured by it every week.  I miss my house, there's no escaping now, in my 1 bedroom apt.
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« Reply #112 on: May 15, 2008, 12:48:42 PM »

Archuleta is going to win.

He's a vocal talent desperately looking for an artist. Little girls get all juicy for him because he's young, moldable and that appeals to their budding controlling nature. That's what happens when you put two X chromosomes together.
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« Reply #113 on: May 15, 2008, 12:50:16 PM »

Cook is going to be bigger in this world, mark my words. Archuleta may end up as a popular artist. Cook looked pissed at the end of last nights show.

Archuleta's fans carried him past his point, and Syesha was REALLY deserving of the second spot.
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« Reply #114 on: May 15, 2008, 05:59:28 PM »

I can't stand Fantasia, and I heard that she looked ridiculous on stage last night.  Does anyone know of a video of her performance last night?  I hear that Simon's expression is just priceless.
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« Reply #115 on: May 15, 2008, 06:01:17 PM »

I'll bet I'm the only person here who actually listened and voted on the songs ninja

I think/hope people might be surprised, there were at least 2 that sounded decent for either David.  Two or so were absolutely horrible, and about half were unbearable retreads of every other year's song (I swear the lyrics were just a computer mix of previous years' songs), leaving a couple of OK ones that favor little David and the other favoring big David.  Hopefully the winning song will not fall in the retread category.  

Notice Ryan did not say the voting was close last night (at least that I heard), indicating one or the other David was probably at least a couple million votes ahead.  Presuming David C won the night, David A still has a good/better chance next week to steal Syesha's votes, but will it be enough?  Presuming David A won the night (which was implied but not said last night), I think he will most likely win barring a major mishap.  Dialidol showed Cook far ahead of Arch, but can no longer be trusted as it also showed Jason Castro far ahead in the night he was booted.

Cook will do fine either way (maybe better if he loses and has more control of his options), as I said before I think he's more talented than Daughtry.  Archie needs to win to be successful, IMHO.  Do the requisite tour and album, then take a couple years off to get some life experience before doing another.


P.S.  Agree on that Fantasia comment lol.  She scared the crap out of me and I loved Simon's look.  But one thing you have to admit, the girl can MOVE.

P.P.S.  Also does anyone remember what they do for the final?  One song they sang before, the winning song, and what was the last?  Or do they do 4 songs, I have no recollection.
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« Reply #116 on: May 15, 2008, 06:05:05 PM »

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But one thing you have to admit, the girl can MOVE.



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« Reply #117 on: May 15, 2008, 06:20:34 PM »

The Fantasia performance was....interesting. My wife turned to me and said, "Oh, Simon is going to HATE this!" About that time they cut to his face, and we both started laughing hysterically.

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« Reply #118 on: May 15, 2008, 07:39:20 PM »

Quote from: Graham on May 15, 2008, 05:59:28 PM

I can't stand Fantasia, and I heard that she looked ridiculous on stage last night.  Does anyone know of a video of her performance last night?  I hear that Simon's expression is just priceless.

Don't have a video, but this screenshot says it all!

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Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on May 15, 2008, 07:39:20 PM

Quote from: Graham on May 15, 2008, 05:59:28 PM

I can't stand Fantasia, and I heard that she looked ridiculous on stage last night.  Does anyone know of a video of her performance last night?  I hear that Simon's expression is just priceless.

Don't have a video, but this screenshot says it all!
That is hilarious!  I wish I could have seen it as it was happening.

Did I mention that I didn't like Fantasia?  I thought her singing was the equivalent to cats meowing while scratching chalkboards in the middle of the night.
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