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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2008, 01:34:31 AM »

I did get a tentative ok, though. I figure I have most of it covered in cash and would only need about $75 or so from our fundage...

To Be Continued...
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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2008, 03:43:12 AM »

Please let me know.  I am on the edge of picking on up smile
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« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2008, 04:44:33 PM »

Quote from: lildrgn on June 25, 2008, 01:34:31 AM

I did get a tentative ok, though. I figure I have most of it covered in cash and would only need about $75 or so from our fundage...

To Be Continued...

Are you buying it from ebay?  I see a few other auction going for $319 with free shipping...and searching through closed auction - it looks like $320 is very very possible.  OOOOOO-the temptation.

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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2008, 05:25:01 PM »

I just read a guide Ebay that stated there are fakes out there... I'm leaning towards an Amazon purchase and having it shipped to CA as I'll be there next week. That way, NO TAX!

It's pretty much a done deal for me. I gotta get my in-laws address in CA, put a check in the bank, then, wham! Off to Amazon I go.
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2009, 03:24:20 AM »

looks like the Kindle 2 is coming soon.
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« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2009, 04:19:02 AM »

I swore off posting about the Kindle.  Nope, not gonna do it.
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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2009, 05:32:54 AM »

*crosses fingers for a lower price point so I can justify one*

Really, I absolutely want one, but I suspect that once I get one, I'll have a hard time reading the actual paper books that I own.  Maybe I'll motivate myself to clear my backlog by saying "No Kindle until I've read all the books I own".

But I still wants one.
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2009, 05:45:17 AM »

Quote from: Chaz on January 28, 2009, 05:32:54 AM

*crosses fingers for a lower price point so I can justify one*

Really, I absolutely want one, but I suspect that once I get one, I'll have a hard time reading the actual paper books that I own.  Maybe I'll motivate myself to clear my backlog by saying "No Kindle until I've read all the books I own".

But I still wants one.

+1.  Been wanting one since it originally came out, I don't have a backlog of books though since I only buy one or two at a time and finishing them off before I buy new ones, except educational books, server books, etc.  Can't seem to finish those.  Hopefully I'll be able to afford one this year.
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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2009, 07:08:10 AM »

I got $100 for Chinese New Year and I am socking it away in the Buy a Kindle for Lildrgn fund.

Wish me luck.
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2009, 02:44:02 PM »

Not as much as an upgrade as I thought they would do. I already have a Sony reader which uses the same chip that's in the Kindle 2.

I've used a Kindle and Sony side by side. I prefer the Sony for reading, but the wireless of the Kindle is nice, but I don't see any use for it, since I ONLY use it for book reading.
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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2009, 04:25:09 PM »

well, everyone is pretty sure Monday will be the day.  it'll be funny if everyone has been misreading the signs, but the improvements over the smaller 'turn the page' buttons would  pretty much cinch the deal for me.
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2009, 05:32:23 PM »

I'm in the same boat - I thought about getting one when they first came out but saw that issues with it and decided to wait until for a 2nd gen kindle came out.

However I'm going to need more than just some redesigned buttons, and a faster chip to bust out the credit card day one. I'm hoping that they've also made some serious improvements to the software. I'd like to see an easy way to put my PDF's on the device (without having to email them to Amazon for 'conversion'), and to see them remove the ridiculous fees for reading RSS feeds on the kindle.

A black model would also be nice.

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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2009, 05:54:56 PM »

My wife bought one for me for Christmas. Even with the issues, it is a great device.  She love the fact that I don't have quite as many books lying around. I like the ability to download a book whenever I like. 
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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2009, 10:28:48 PM »

Even Engadget is now more or less confirming the Kindle 2 come Monday (and they even have pics).
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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2009, 11:08:19 PM »

24 Feb is the release date supposedly. I wanted a Kindle but knew I should wait for an improved version. I will be refreshing my browser constantly at 10 AM EST Monday to see if I can pre-order.
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« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2009, 12:10:45 AM »

The Kindle is pricey but definitely worth it for me since I don't have much space.  I'm not sure how I feel on the re-design, but I hope it makes it better, although there isn't much wrong with the first gen IMO.  The page buttons are the biggest thing that needed an improvement.  It would be nice to keep removable memory and the speakers seem unnecessary. 
I like the thinness of it and I'm curious as to how the joysick over the roll button works.
If anyone's on the fence for an e-reader and can afford it, I highly recommend it.
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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2009, 06:05:50 PM »

the new specs.
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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM »

Man... if it was $200, I'm certain I'd already have preordered it.  At $350 though, I can't quite bring myself to make the purchase.

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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2009, 06:19:42 PM »

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That "voiced" feature is going to be awesome or hillarious or possibly both.
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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2009, 06:27:07 PM »

Quote from: gellar on February 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM

Man... if it was $200, I'm certain I'd already have preordered it.  At $350 though, I can't quite bring myself to make the purchase.

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I think $200 is the price I'm waiting for as well.  I just started into Follett's World Without End, which even on paperback is a 1000 page lead brick that I have to heft with one hand on my subway commute.  It would be awesome to be able to read that on a Kindle, but $350 is just too steep.
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« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2009, 06:36:12 PM »

Quote from: kadnod on February 09, 2009, 06:19:42 PM

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That "voiced" feature is going to be awesome or hillarious or possibly both.

Two words: Kindle porn.
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« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2009, 08:28:54 PM »

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Some of the upgrades sound good.  I'm glad the picture quality is improved and it's thinner and lighter.  I'll probably wait until the next version comes out to upgrade though.
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« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2009, 09:28:05 PM »

I read somewhere that they might be raising the prices on the eBooks.  If that is the case, wouldn't it just be better to purchase a hard copy if it almost costs the same?
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« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2009, 09:30:49 PM »

Quote from: ROTC1983 on February 09, 2009, 09:28:05 PM

I read somewhere that they might be raising the prices on the eBooks.  If that is the case, wouldn't it just be better to purchase a hard copy if it almost costs the same?

Do the eBooks get released at the same time as the hard covers or the paperbacks?
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« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2009, 09:31:48 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on February 09, 2009, 09:30:49 PM

Quote from: ROTC1983 on February 09, 2009, 09:28:05 PM

I read somewhere that they might be raising the prices on the eBooks.  If that is the case, wouldn't it just be better to purchase a hard copy if it almost costs the same?

Do the eBooks get released at the same time as the hard covers or the paperbacks?

That is another good question and I am interested to see the answer. Didn't even think about that!
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« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2009, 09:35:25 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on February 09, 2009, 06:27:07 PM

Quote from: gellar on February 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM

Man... if it was $200, I'm certain I'd already have preordered it.  At $350 though, I can't quite bring myself to make the purchase.

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I think $200 is the price I'm waiting for as well.  I just started into Follett's World Without End, which even on paperback is a 1000 page lead brick that I have to heft with one hand on my subway commute.  It would be awesome to be able to read that on a Kindle, but $350 is just too steep.

This is my thing too (though I'd also be interested in getting my Times subscription on it, as reading a newspaper on a crowded bus is challenging).  $350 is just a lot of money for something that wold definitely be useful, but by no means necessary.
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« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2009, 09:44:13 PM »

Quote from: Chaz on February 09, 2009, 09:35:25 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on February 09, 2009, 06:27:07 PM

Quote from: gellar on February 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM

Man... if it was $200, I'm certain I'd already have preordered it.  At $350 though, I can't quite bring myself to make the purchase.

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I think $200 is the price I'm waiting for as well.  I just started into Follett's World Without End, which even on paperback is a 1000 page lead brick that I have to heft with one hand on my subway commute.  It would be awesome to be able to read that on a Kindle, but $350 is just too steep.

This is my thing too (though I'd also be interested in getting my Times subscription on it, as reading a newspaper on a crowded bus is challenging).  $350 is just a lot of money for something that wold definitely be useful, but by no means necessary.

Yeah my primary thing is the size factor.  I'd love to be able to carry something this tiny around on through airports and stuff (instead of a massive copy of Army At Dawn, for example).  I'd even get past the fact that I can't use it for the first 10 mins or so of every flight.  But the size is not worth $350 for me.  Not yet anyway.

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« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2009, 09:49:56 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on February 09, 2009, 09:30:49 PM

Quote from: ROTC1983 on February 09, 2009, 09:28:05 PM

I read somewhere that they might be raising the prices on the eBooks.  If that is the case, wouldn't it just be better to purchase a hard copy if it almost costs the same?

Do the eBooks get released at the same time as the hard covers or the paperbacks?

Generally at the same time as the hardcovers. 
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« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2009, 09:54:40 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on February 09, 2009, 09:49:56 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on February 09, 2009, 09:30:49 PM

Do the eBooks get released at the same time as the hard covers or the paperbacks?

Generally at the same time as the hardcovers. 

And not at temporarily raised prices, I assume?  Damn, that's a huge bullet point for me.
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« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2009, 09:55:13 PM »

I'm torn on it. My wife gave me permission to order one as my valentines day present, and I came pretty close to during the initial excitement of watching the live blogs for the press conference.

But a little bit later, I started thinking how there really weren't any major software improvements like I was hoping to see.

Still no native support for PDF's (outside of paying to have them converted by Amazon) plus most of my books are technical and I've heard bad things about how well those convert (due to things like monospaced code listings, tables and sidebars) and the Kindle is looking less and less attractive to me.

I also hear that the web browser is still the same anemic version that it was in Kindle 1.

I may still end up ordering one but now I'm going to weigh that decision a lot more.
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« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2009, 10:44:06 PM »

I'd rather get an generic ereader and load it full of books than pay the premium for the kindle.  I just don't see it being $350 worth of usefulness compared to readers now around $260, and even that's pushing it.
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2009, 11:04:42 PM »

I'm curious to see if Apple will compete with the Kindle or just leave Amazon to control the e-book space.  I have an app for the iPhone/iPod Touch called "Classics" which is an amazing ebook reading experience.  The quality of the text looks gorgeous relative to what I've seen on the Kindle.  Not to mention being able to literally thumb through pages giving it a more visceral feel.  Also looks like a group called Iceberg Reader is now releasing lots of different books for the iPhone, the only problem is they are individually priced and it looks like are more expensive than the typical Kindle price, not to mention the small number of available books.

I would love to see Apple release the rumored iPad (with approx double the screen size of iPod Touch) or something like that as a reader.  Either that or just have a software reader that could access all the Kindle library.  Doubtful either will ever happen, but it's certainly an interesting competition to ponder.  I've played with the original Kindle a bit, and as a piece of hardware there is just no comparison to the iPhone or Touch.  And yet they are still charging $359?  iPod Touch with 8GB of memory starts at $229 and the book reading is just a side capability!  Full iPod functionality, real web browsing, color screen, touch screen, a gazillion cool apps... for the first time ever, an Apple product is actually cheap in comparison lol.
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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2009, 11:12:08 PM »

Watch where you spread thoughts like that, rittchard, it might get you into trouble...   icon_wink
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« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2009, 11:39:59 PM »

Quote from: Isgrimnur on February 09, 2009, 11:12:08 PM

Watch where you spread thoughts like that, rittchard, it might get you into trouble...   icon_wink

eek!!!!  sorry to offend anyone lol.   All I can say is I've seen and held the Kindle, and seen and used the iPhone extensively.  Anyone who knows me knows I am an absolute gadget whore and will buy/try just about any of the latest tech.  But the Kindle physically felt to me like a really cheap piece of hardware and the screen/text just didn't do it for me, I just couldn't convince myself to buy it after trying it out.  Contrast that with the complete surprise I felt while reading The Metamorphosis on the iPhone, I was stunned by the quality and I love the page-turning animation.  I never thought I'd want to read a book on a portable device, but now I find myself reading the iPhone quite often (cough bathroom cough).
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« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2009, 11:41:48 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on February 09, 2009, 11:39:59 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on February 09, 2009, 11:12:08 PM

Watch where you spread thoughts like that, rittchard, it might get you into trouble...   icon_wink

eek!!!!  sorry to offend anyone lol.   All I can say is I've seen and held the Kindle, and seen and used the iPhone extensively.  Anyone who knows me knows I am an absolute gadget whore and will buy/try just about any of the latest tech.  But the Kindle physically felt to me like a really cheap piece of hardware and the screen/text just didn't do it for me, I just couldn't convince myself to buy it after trying it out.  Contrast that with the complete surprise I felt while reading The Metamorphosis on the iPhone, I was stunned by the quality and I love the page-turning animation.  I never thought I'd want to read a book on a portable device, but now I find myself reading the iPhone quite often (cough bathroom cough).

I love my iPhone, but you could not pay me enough money to read a full book on it.  My eyes mean more to me than that.

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« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2009, 12:04:11 AM »

Quote from: gellar on February 09, 2009, 11:41:48 PM



I love my iPhone, but you could not pay me enough money to read a full book on it.  My eyes mean more to me than that.

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This.  I hate reading PDF files on my computer or long amounts of text on my iPhone.  Looking at a Kindle and the way the pages look is pretty close to a piece of paper and therefore much easier for me to read.
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« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2009, 11:14:50 PM »

Quote from: gellar on February 09, 2009, 11:41:48 PM

I love my iPhone, but you could not pay me enough money to read a full book on it.  My eyes mean more to me than that.

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Obviously this is an "eye of the beholder" type of thing, depending on usage as well.  I rarely read for more than an hour at a time anyway.  On the iPhone, I've surfed maybe max half an hour at a time, and read for maybe 10-15minutes at a time.  To me the screen looks gorgeous, and particularly when reading from the Classics app, the quality seems as good as a nice hardback, and better than most cheap paperbacks.  I will take peoples' word for it that the Kindle is more suited for longer term reading.

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That said, I have to wonder what Amazon's longer term game plan is.  Are they looking to become a hardware company?  I read they sold about 500k units of the first version, which really surprised me (how low the number was).  In contrast the iPhone/Touch user base is now estimated at 25 to 30 MILLION.  To me it would make more sense to develop an App that accesses their library and go back to selling the books, not the hardware.  With 50 times the potential userbase, they could stand to sell a LOT of e-books.  Ultimately the $359 price point is still a hard sell if you ask me.  For that amount you can buy a very nice netbook.  For $130 less you can have an 8GB Touch.  Granted neither will allow you to do exactly the same thing (focus on reading) but both are much more versatile and powerful products, ultimately making the Kindle feel substantially more "niche" than mainstream.

On a side note, I saw an old Steve Jobs quote saying something like only 40% of avg Americans read more than one book a YEAR?  Is that true?  Where did this stat come from?  I find that pretty hard to believe but who knows.
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« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2009, 01:28:27 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on February 10, 2009, 11:14:50 PM

I will take peoples' word for it that the Kindle is more suited for longer term reading.

You've really got to see it to believe it.  Have you ever printed something out so it would be easier to read than on a computer screen?  That's what e-ink gives you.
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« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2009, 03:19:34 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on February 10, 2009, 11:14:50 PM

That said, I have to wonder what Amazon's longer term game plan is.  Are they looking to become a hardware company?  I read they sold about 500k units of the first version, which really surprised me (how low the number was).  In contrast the iPhone/Touch user base is now estimated at 25 to 30 MILLION. 

But look at it from the perspective of where the iPod started- In the first 26 months of the iPod's life it sold 2 million.  Kindle doing 540k in 14 months doesn't sound nearly so bad compared to that.  Plus, the Kindle has been waitlisted almost since it hit the market so, similar to the Wii, we really don't know what total market demand was since they were supply limited the entire time. 
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« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2009, 07:08:28 PM »

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But look at it from the perspective of where the iPod started- In the first 26 months of the iPod's life it sold 2 million.  Kindle doing 540k in 14 months doesn't sound nearly so bad compared to that.  Plus, the Kindle has been waitlisted almost since it hit the market so, similar to the Wii, we really don't know what total market demand was since they were supply limited the entire time. 

Good point there, I heard about it always being out of stock.  Then my question would be do you think they are incapable of supporting the demand from a hardware perspective, or are they doing the console game shuffle, deliberately limiting supply to increase demand?  Also do you think at the $359 price point they are selling at a loss like the console guys did or already making profit? 

Either way I'd still like to see this device at a much much lower price point ($99 would be a no-brainer and $199 would be much more acceptable) or in package deals with some books included. 
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