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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2008, 04:49:54 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on June 20, 2008, 03:30:11 PM

Upon hearing my last name, many ask me about my heritage or where I am "from."  I was born in New Jersey, I lived a number of years in Philadelphia, and currently I reside in Arizona. 

"No, but where are you from?  France, Germany, Slovakia?"

Huh, I never would have pegged Rock as European.  slywink
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2008, 06:21:24 PM »

I think it's an issue of not being from said country and not hearing it. I live in Canada and hear it almost all the time.

And DF, because it sounds cooler smile
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2008, 06:34:10 PM »

I used to work with a guy named Caesar whose parents were from Guatemala.  When they came to this country they vowed to raise their children as Americans, however.  They tried to only use English around the house, although they did teach them to be proud of their heritage.  They just wanted them to assimilate as well as they could since they themselves felt the pressures of being immigrants. 

We both were assigned to a long term job in El Paso, Texas a few years ago.  We'd heard about the cheap tequila that could be purchased in Juarez across the border, so we crossed over one night to stock up.  On the way back, the border guards stopped us to check out our purchases.   They quickly passed by me and fixated on Caesar.  For some reason, they had trouble believing he was American.  The conversation lasted about 5 minutes and went like this:

Guard:  (says something in Spanish)
Caesar:  Huh?
Guard: (repeats the same thing in Spanish)
Caesar:  Dude, seriously, English.
Guard:  Where are you from?
Caesar:  Jersey
Guard:  Jersey, huh?
Caesar: It's in the U.S..
Guard:  I know where it's at!  How come you don't speak Spanish.
Caesar:  Cause i'm from Jersey?
Guard:  Don't be smart!
Caesar:  Alright.
Guard:  You sure you're not from here?
Caesar:  Pretty sure I'm from Jersey.
Guard:  Alright, go ahead.

The guard seemed genuinely upset at the time that Caesar wasn't fluent in Spanish.  He later told me that he knew SOME Spanish but that he really only had one rule:  if he heard the word "muerte" he'd run.

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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2008, 07:17:21 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on June 20, 2008, 03:30:11 PM

Why does it matter where my ancestors are from?  I was born in America.  I grew up in America.  I am an American.  If I were to discover that I have a distant relative in my heritage from England, am I supposed to suddenly embody English culture and hate the Irish?  It makes absolutely no sense to me.  It is one thing to take pride in where your family roots began, it is another to pretend that you also hail from the same region when you're simply another American.

It's fun to pretend that you have cultural heritage.  Americans don't really have any unless you pretend that you're Native American and if you aren't that's kind of hard to pull off.  We have 200+ years of American history but that's kind of bland and short compared to most countries. 
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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2008, 07:32:16 PM »

n Denmark I have no clue what to call "people-whom-originally-seems-to-be-from-africa-based-on-the-color-of-their-skin", other than by their name...
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2008, 08:10:25 PM »

Quote from: PeteRock on June 20, 2008, 03:42:26 PM

Quote from: Zarkon on June 20, 2008, 03:31:52 PM

Agreed.  Now, I believe that it's interesting to see /where/ you came from just as a matter of course, but it shouldn't shape who YOU are.  I mean, my dad went bald at 24.  Because I'm not bald, does that mean I need to shave my head, and be bald because HE was?  No fucking thank you. smile

And yet I see it all over the place.  For example, a friend of mine from Georgia eventually learned that his ancestors came from Ireland.  Suddenly he loved soccer, had the Irish flag tattooed to his shoulder, he began to constantly lament the British, and he proceeded to tell people he was Irish.  He was from fucking Georgia

Where am I from?  Fucking Jersey.  You got a problem wit' dat?  Fabulous

I think it's because like to form their identities in terms of group allegiance and then can be accepted as part of that group.  I suppose it's why I wear so many band TShirts and why other people whear Izods.  Herritage in particular gives a strong sense of belonging.  Like belonging is in your blood.  For my part I am totally tied to a geography that I had nothing to do with.  I identify with Detroit and with Michigan even though I have nothing to do with their operation or history.  I watch sports teams that are compose of people brought in from around the world on a team owned by some Greek guy.  But there every time I go to a pub there is a comradarie watching those teams.  And we cheer and bitch about the same things.

It's like a mini religion.  A faith in nothing in particular to bond to a community.

It doesn't make sense but I guess most of us do it.  I also guess the pull is strong.  I'm also guessing that "minorities" with strong similarities happlity segregate themselves in common bond and that we've got a long way to go until "people are people."  It assuredly won't happen in my life time because ethnicity also brings us so much comfort.  But it's always good to move in the "people are people" direction.  It's my belief that volunteering to breaking down our modern form of language control is going to be a necessary step before we get any closer.
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2008, 08:16:30 PM »

Quote from: yossar on June 20, 2008, 07:17:21 PM

It's fun to pretend that you have cultural heritage.  Americans don't really have any unless you pretend that you're Native American and if you aren't that's kind of hard to pull off.  We have 200+ years of American history but that's kind of bland and short compared to most countries. 
Wouldn't "Native American" be anyone born in the U.S.?

Understanding evolution, shouldn't we all be considered African American?

Going back only 5 generations means that you have 62 people to choose from for your next tattoo. Do you pick the one that sounds cool while ignoring the rest of the family branches?

Cultural heritage is a pretty fluid concept. Was there such a thing as Germany 200 hundred years ago? What about Italy? If I have family that goes back 150 years in the U.S. does that make my "American" claim more legitimate than someone else's "Italian-American" claim to an Italy that didn't exist 150 years ago?

Remember, given illegitimacy, rapes and infidelity rates in different countries and at different times, those people that you think are your relatives are not necessarily your biological relatives. Just ask the father who tries to donate blood for his child's surgery only to find out that the blood types don't match. Awkward.
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2008, 08:26:12 PM »

Quote from: Moliere on June 20, 2008, 08:16:30 PM


Wouldn't "Native American" be anyone born in the U.S.?


if you're white it means you call yourself "Cherokee".   icon_wink
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2008, 08:29:19 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Fed on June 20, 2008, 01:48:04 AM

Complaints about PC outnumber actual instances of PC to about 2 to 1, in my experience.  At least on message boards.

Ain't that the truth.  I'm so sick of telling someone I didn't appreciate their racist comment and then getting shit for being 'PC'.  Gag.
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2008, 08:35:19 PM »

I call my testicles 'Chi-Chi' and 'Sam'.
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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2008, 08:55:44 PM »

Quote from: Moliere on June 20, 2008, 08:16:30 PM

Quote from: yossar on June 20, 2008, 07:17:21 PM

Americans don't really have any unless you pretend that you're Native American and if you aren't that's kind of hard to pull off.
Wouldn't "Native American" be anyone born in the U.S.?

"Native American" is no longer politically correct, apparently.  I took some relatives to the reconstructed 17th century Plimoth Plantation village, complete with professional LARPers, and the signs were very clear that you are only supposed to call the people in the Native section "Native People" or Wampanoag, Micmac, or Cherokee as appropriate.
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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2008, 09:09:08 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on June 20, 2008, 08:35:19 PM

I call my testicles 'Chi-Chi' and 'Sam'.
Does that mean you are multi-cultural?
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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2008, 09:16:46 PM »

Quote from: kratz on June 20, 2008, 08:29:19 PM

Quote from: Mr. Fed on June 20, 2008, 01:48:04 AM

Complaints about PC outnumber actual instances of PC to about 2 to 1, in my experience.  At least on message boards.

Ain't that the truth.  I'm so sick of telling someone I didn't appreciate their racist comment and then getting shit for being 'PC'.  Gag.

Telling people that they are assholes is a central part of American discourse.  Unless you tell them that they are an asshole about race or religion or something.  Then it's just cold and hurty.
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« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2008, 09:57:52 PM »

 Bring your own!

and I'm an American, thank you.  I know what it took from my parents to get over here - and its no different if you are white, black, yellow, green, purple, etc.  Just an American, and damn proud of it, screw being PC.
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« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2008, 11:11:37 PM »

I'll ask my black friend what he prefers, stop posting until I can tell you.
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« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2008, 05:12:03 AM »

I'm a Gamer.smile
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« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2008, 09:22:59 AM »

Quote from: Zero on June 20, 2008, 09:57:52 PM

Bring your own!

and I'm an American, thank you.  I know what it took from my parents to get over here - and its no different if you are white, black, yellow, green, purple, etc.  Just an American, and damn proud of it, screw being PC.


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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2008, 10:12:25 AM »

Quote from: Razgon on June 20, 2008, 07:32:16 PM

n Denmark I have no clue what to call "people-whom-originally-seems-to-be-from-africa-based-on-the-color-of-their-skin", other than by their name...


Some guy on TV once suggested : "African-Americans" - that's why you shouldn't ask random people in the street questions. Most people are idiots.

I don't think we can call anyone anything without being labelled as racist by someone in Denmark these days.
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