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« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2006, 06:34:21 PM »

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I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

I try to use humor to defuse the situation, but doesn't always work. icon_wink

And to be clear, I wasn't pointing fingers at trolls or flamers necessarily, but the thread (like so many others involving the 360/PS3 or HD-DVD/Blu-Ray controversy in particular) is pretty heavy on the back-and-forth biting.

And as jblank posted very early on in the thread, the real issue here is that this whole topic is a non-issue: pretty much every encryption method has been hacked and will be hacked. It's only a matter of time, and far less of it than any of the encryption/DRM proponents may claim.

I agree, these threads are fire magnets, but only because of the way some of the information is presented. This is beating a dead horse, I agree, but I can't let someone lie about something I support, just sitting on my hands, so I comment about it. Maybe I have crossed the line on occasion, but I promise I don't come into any thread trying to toss matches.

What did I lie about? The protection has been circumvented and no matter how much damage control you want to use, it's been hacked. People are able to decrypt HD-DVD's now.

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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2006, 07:06:09 PM »

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You sure about that Unbreakable?

Fairly sure.  I havent checked much recently (the past two years). 

Or, more to the point, I've gone completely legit since finding out I can lose my certifications by being involved in unlicensed MS software.  But just from idle chit-chat with friends, I've heard between SP2 and Windows/Microsoft Update and the online validation, it catches generated keys.
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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2006, 07:20:53 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2006, 08:48:27 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 06:34:21 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 06:03:51 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:54:03 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

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I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

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Cute.  icon_biggrin

I try to use humor to defuse the situation, but doesn't always work. icon_wink

And to be clear, I wasn't pointing fingers at trolls or flamers necessarily, but the thread (like so many others involving the 360/PS3 or HD-DVD/Blu-Ray controversy in particular) is pretty heavy on the back-and-forth biting.

And as jblank posted very early on in the thread, the real issue here is that this whole topic is a non-issue: pretty much every encryption method has been hacked and will be hacked. It's only a matter of time, and far less of it than any of the encryption/DRM proponents may claim.

I agree, these threads are fire magnets, but only because of the way some of the information is presented. This is beating a dead horse, I agree, but I can't let someone lie about something I support, just sitting on my hands, so I comment about it. Maybe I have crossed the line on occasion, but I promise I don't come into any thread trying to toss matches.

What did I lie about? The protection has been circumvented and no matter how much damage control you want to use, it's been hacked. People are able to decrypt HD-DVD's now.



At this point, I'm about ready to just stop trying. icon_neutral

I have posted explanations, publicly available ones at that, that detail exactly what happened in this situation, explaining that it was NOT cracked, and in fact was using the decryption algorithm that was common knowledge, and even known and acknowledged PUBLICLY, at AACS. There is a HUGE difference between your original claim that it was "cracked", which means the protection was obliterated and free reign prevaled, and what actually took place.

I'm not using any damage control at all, I don't need to, because what you are claiming happened, did not, and 5 minutes worth of poking around on the net proved you were wrong. You are just so biased towards Sony (who I might add helped develop the AACS technology) that any little nugget of negativity towards HD DVD, that pops up on the net, is IMMEDIATELY getting you all excited, and compelling you to throw the stuff up here, and at AVS, in an effort to make the technology look inferior.
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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2006, 08:54:36 PM »

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It's done with generating WinXP cd-keys - why won't they keep doing it again this way?
Incidentally, those Keygens have not worked since XP SP2.

I have a few friends who will tell you otherwise. Yes, Microsoft has put in a new check against their online database of CD-keys, but you just have to put in a downloaded .dll file to make WinXP think you've already 'verified' your installation of XP.

IIRC, that breaks as soon as you do something that involves the new MS verification step that occurs with much of their software(IE7, intellipoint/intellitype etc).
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« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2006, 10:04:07 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 08:48:27 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 28, 2006, 06:34:21 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 06:03:51 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:54:03 PM

Quote from: Destructor on December 28, 2006, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Farscry on December 28, 2006, 05:15:39 PM

I thought flames were supposed to stop trolls from regenerating?

[woot! D&D sarcasm!]

Cute.  icon_biggrin

I try to use humor to defuse the situation, but doesn't always work. icon_wink

And to be clear, I wasn't pointing fingers at trolls or flamers necessarily, but the thread (like so many others involving the 360/PS3 or HD-DVD/Blu-Ray controversy in particular) is pretty heavy on the back-and-forth biting.

And as jblank posted very early on in the thread, the real issue here is that this whole topic is a non-issue: pretty much every encryption method has been hacked and will be hacked. It's only a matter of time, and far less of it than any of the encryption/DRM proponents may claim.

I agree, these threads are fire magnets, but only because of the way some of the information is presented. This is beating a dead horse, I agree, but I can't let someone lie about something I support, just sitting on my hands, so I comment about it. Maybe I have crossed the line on occasion, but I promise I don't come into any thread trying to toss matches.

What did I lie about? The protection has been circumvented and no matter how much damage control you want to use, it's been hacked. People are able to decrypt HD-DVD's now.



At this point, I'm about ready to just stop trying. icon_neutral

I'm not using any damage control at all, I don't need to, because what you are claiming happened, did not, and 5 minutes worth of poking around on the net proved you were wrong. You are just so biased towards Sony (who I might add helped develop the AACS technology) that any little nugget of negativity towards HD DVD, that pops up on the net, is IMMEDIATELY getting you all excited, and compelling you to throw the stuff up here, and at AVS, in an effort to make the technology look inferior.

Well, you might as well stop, cause you are making no sense. Throwing all your argument behind the semantics of if it has been totally 'cracked' or not is silly. It doesn't matter if it has been 'cracked' or not....the end result is the same. Many HD-DVD's can now be decrypted and played on any HD-DVD player.

Also, while Sony was behind AACS, they realized that it wasn't going to be enough and they developed extra protection for Blu-Ray. That was what got Fox and Disney to commit to Blu-Ray. Now that this has happened with relative ease....it might give Paramount second thoughts about releasing some things for HD-DVD. Warner and Universal will stick with HD-DVD until the bitter end though, just like I think you will.... icon_wink

I even edited the title of the thread for you, jblank. Is that better?
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« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2006, 10:39:42 PM »

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IIRC, that breaks as soon as you do something that involves the new MS verification step that occurs with much of their software(IE7, intellipoint/intellitype etc).

And just about ANYTHING now requires validation.  Hotfixes, many updates (like IE7), and now that you have to use Microsoft Update to update Office, that means you can't patch Office without going through activation.

It's too much trouble.  Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

[edit] another issue: I was reading a report about a year ago discussing piracy of Windows.  Most of the world uses Windows, but depending on where you live, very few people have legit licenses.  For example, I believe China is only around 30% legit users.  That's pretty damn steep.

From a business standpoint, you just can't let that kind of stuff happen, especially when you are providing tech support in that market.
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2006, 10:54:59 PM »

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Well, you might as well stop, cause you are making no sense. Throwing all your argument behind the semantics of if it has been totally 'cracked' or not is silly. It doesn't matter if it has been 'cracked' or not....the end result is the same. Many HD-DVD's can now be decrypted and played on any HD-DVD player.

I'm just not making sense to YOU. Obviously it made sense to Purge and Happydog, but then again they don't have an agenda against the technology. I still don't think you have a real grasp of exactly what has happened, but I am tired of playing teacher, and you can either read the explanations and figure it out for yourself, or go on believing whatever you choose to.
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Also, while Sony was behind AACS, they realized that it wasn't going to be enough and they developed extra protection for Blu-Ray.

Kinda like the rootkit thing huh? More protection isn't what is necessarily good for the consumer Hetz, and although you have done your 180 and dropped HD DVD like a hot potato, you yourself used to rail against the stuff Sony was doing. So to now see you embracing all this copy protection along with BR itself is confusing.

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That was what got Fox and Disney to commit to Blu-Ray.

Not solely, lets be fair here. It was a component in a list of reasons, but I have never seen anything that said it was the sole reason. In any event, do you REALLY believe that come this time next year, if HD DVD is solidly in the lead, those two are gonna stay exclusive? Come on now.

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Now that this has happened with relative ease....it might give Paramount second thoughts about releasing some things for HD-DVD. Warner and Universal will stick with HD-DVD until the bitter end though, just like I think you will....

Like you are a fencesitter? Roll Eyes

I have no blind allegiance like some others in here. I am consistent in my saying that I support the format that is best for consumers and in my mind that is HD DVD. When it comes to the technology itself, the fact that it is more flexible, cheaper, and can be better integrated into PC's, means that at this point, unless something drastic happens to the technology, HD DVD will have my support. That doesn't mean that if BR wins that I won't adopt it, just the opposite is true, but I am by no means locked in to HD DVD, I just like the fact that I can make a backup of it and like that I don't have to spend $1,000 on a standalone player, if I chose to do that. Sony's DRM, along with the high cost, is what is driving me (and many others) away from BR, but if they changed, I would have no problem buying a BR player.

Paramount is going nowhere, again you are blowing this so far out of proportion that its laughable. This is so trivial and so easily addressed that its barely a blip on their radar. Don't start the spook campaign again please.

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I even edited the title of the thread for you, jblank. Is that better?

Marginally. At least it isn't a outright falsehood like the previous title was. You still fail to mention that its used in BR also, but at this point in the thread, who cares, we're just beating our heads together, and at the end of the day, its not worth it.
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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2006, 10:59:56 PM »

Before anyone defends DRM, just remember:

DON'T BREAK DRM EVEN IF IT THREATENS LIVES!!!!!!!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/21/dmca_exemptions_controversy/

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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2006, 11:09:19 PM »

Obviously there is a fair compromise somewhere in between when it comes to DRM.  I have zero problems with anyone trying to protect their IP, so long as it doesn't become a nuisance to the consumer.  There seems to be a bit of a disconnect at times, though.

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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2006, 11:24:59 PM »

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 11:09:19 PM

Obviously there is a fair compromise somewhere in between when it comes to DRM.  I have zero problems with anyone trying to protect their IP, so long as it doesn't become a nuisance to the consumer.  There seems to be a bit of a disconnect at times, though.

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Absolutely, I agree 100% there, but my personal opinion is that in cases where there isn't one, they should defer to the customer, and have the absolute bare minimum in DRM copy protection. I'm not a pirate, I buy a TON of movies, and I don't mind doing it, but I do like to make backups for travel, or to loan to my parents or something, because the condition of my originals is important to me. I don't like the automatic assumption that I am a criminal, like a lot of these companies seem to believe, and I want options, and as a paying customer, I think I am entitled to that.
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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2006, 11:34:48 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 11:24:59 PM

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 11:09:19 PM

Obviously there is a fair compromise somewhere in between when it comes to DRM.  I have zero problems with anyone trying to protect their IP, so long as it doesn't become a nuisance to the consumer.  There seems to be a bit of a disconnect at times, though.

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Absolutely, I agree 100% there, but my personal opinion is that in cases where there isn't one, they should defer to the customer, and have the absolute bare minimum in DRM copy protection. I'm not a pirate, I buy a TON of movies, and I don't mind doing it, but I do like to make backups for travel, or to loan to my parents or something, because the condition of my originals is important to me. I don't like the automatic assumption that I am a criminal, like a lot of these companies seem to believe, and I want options, and as a paying customer, I think I am entitled to that.

It's a bit of a double edged sword... if they have light copy protection, one would argue why would they bother to have DRM at all?  Easily crackable DRM is basically null DRM.  Honestly, I feel for the studios.  Certainly they've made a lot of bonehead ass PR moves, but they do have a horrible dilemma on their hands.  People are literally taking money right out of their pockets and any attempts they make to stop it are met with (not entirely unfounded) heavy resistance.  I don't have a good solution, so I'll just deal with whatever they give me.

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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2006, 11:37:04 PM »

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 11:34:48 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 11:24:59 PM

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 11:09:19 PM

Obviously there is a fair compromise somewhere in between when it comes to DRM.  I have zero problems with anyone trying to protect their IP, so long as it doesn't become a nuisance to the consumer.  There seems to be a bit of a disconnect at times, though.

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Absolutely, I agree 100% there, but my personal opinion is that in cases where there isn't one, they should defer to the customer, and have the absolute bare minimum in DRM copy protection. I'm not a pirate, I buy a TON of movies, and I don't mind doing it, but I do like to make backups for travel, or to loan to my parents or something, because the condition of my originals is important to me. I don't like the automatic assumption that I am a criminal, like a lot of these companies seem to believe, and I want options, and as a paying customer, I think I am entitled to that.

It's a bit of a double edged sword... if they have light copy protection, one would argue why would they bother to have DRM at all?  Easily crackable DRM is basically null DRM.  Honestly, I feel for the studios.  Certainly they've made a lot of bonehead ass PR moves, but they do have a horrible dilemma on their hands.  People are literally taking money right out of their pockets and any attempts they make to stop it are met with (not entirely unfounded) heavy resistance.  I don't have a good solution, so I'll just deal with whatever they give me.

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The only thing ya gotta watch out for with that opinion is that unless people stand up, what they will "give you" is something you probably won't want.
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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2006, 11:40:03 PM »

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 11:37:04 PM

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 11:34:48 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 11:24:59 PM

Quote from: gellar on December 28, 2006, 11:09:19 PM

Obviously there is a fair compromise somewhere in between when it comes to DRM.  I have zero problems with anyone trying to protect their IP, so long as it doesn't become a nuisance to the consumer.  There seems to be a bit of a disconnect at times, though.

gellar

Absolutely, I agree 100% there, but my personal opinion is that in cases where there isn't one, they should defer to the customer, and have the absolute bare minimum in DRM copy protection. I'm not a pirate, I buy a TON of movies, and I don't mind doing it, but I do like to make backups for travel, or to loan to my parents or something, because the condition of my originals is important to me. I don't like the automatic assumption that I am a criminal, like a lot of these companies seem to believe, and I want options, and as a paying customer, I think I am entitled to that.

It's a bit of a double edged sword... if they have light copy protection, one would argue why would they bother to have DRM at all?  Easily crackable DRM is basically null DRM.  Honestly, I feel for the studios.  Certainly they've made a lot of bonehead ass PR moves, but they do have a horrible dilemma on their hands.  People are literally taking money right out of their pockets and any attempts they make to stop it are met with (not entirely unfounded) heavy resistance.  I don't have a good solution, so I'll just deal with whatever they give me.

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The only thing ya gotta watch out for with that opinion is that unless people stand up, what they will "give you" is something you probably won't want.

I'm a fairly laid back dude... so long as I know what I'm getting, I don't particularly care.  I make my decisions based on what's laid out in front of me.  If they get DRM to a point where it's annoying to me, I just won't buy it.  No biggie.

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« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2006, 02:10:17 PM »

Quote from: unbreakable on December 28, 2006, 07:06:09 PM

Quote from: jblank on December 28, 2006, 05:59:13 PM

You sure about that Unbreakable?

Fairly sure.  I havent checked much recently (the past two years). 

Or, more to the point, I've gone completely legit since finding out I can lose my certifications by being involved in unlicensed MS software.  But just from idle chit-chat with friends, I've heard between SP2 and Windows/Microsoft Update and the online validation, it catches generated keys.
You haven't checked much in 2 years and you think nothing has changed?

Sorry, I've installed slipstreamed XP sp2 installations for people using working keys and a program called <censored>.  So, while you may not be technically "wrong" (I don't know whether the keys have been completely broken or not) the reason for it is, you no longer need to, because the online verification has been bypassed entirely.
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« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2006, 07:20:28 PM »

The truly ironic thing is that all of this DRM/Format War stuff essentially ends up hurting the companies and the consumer, and punishing the honest users of their products. 

Why can they not accept these 2 simple FACTS? 

1. DRM will never work - hackers will always find a way.  If someone builds it, someone will eventually find a way to break it, guaranteed. 
2. Piracy is going to happen no matter what, it's just the way it is. 

This is what is going to happen:  The studios will change the current DRM scheme as a countermeasure to the cracked DRM scheme.  The consumer will have to patch their product because it will render their product useless until the update it.  Many, either not knowing any better, or just plain frustrated, will return the product.  In the end both technologies will fail unless dual-format happens on a much wider basis.  I think most consumers are pretty sick and tired of all of this stupidness. 
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« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2006, 07:57:15 PM »

When it's slipstreamed, you already have a product key inserted (it's done as part of the slipstream process).

So it isn't a matter of them having "cracked" the install in that case: it's a matter of unauthorized use of a valid product key.

As I said, I haven't check into it actively for over two years, but just out of interest in the subject I've discussed the matter with friends.  And, as I said, they have all said keygens no longer work.  And your example does not invalidate that claim.


However, the issue with DRM is not so much that it "will never work", and one has to just throw up their hands and surrender to the inevitable.  Maybe the goal is to only work for a while, or only circumvent casual theft.  For example, if it can allow the game to go unpirated for a few months after it's released, that may be good enough (like the GTA series, for example). 

Or in the case of Windows, maybe it just has to stop people from installing one copy on 10 (or 100, or 1000) machines.  Since security is a moving target, any kind of protection has to be able to move as well.

Take products like Punkbuster or XBox Live as another example.  By the "inevitability" line of though, should we just assume people will always cheat, and thus do nothing about it?  Or do you assume a mindset of eternal vigilance, and solve the problems when they arise?
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« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2006, 08:17:07 PM »

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Take products like Punkbuster or XBox Live as another example.  By the "inevitability" line of though, should we just assume people will always cheat, and thus do nothing about it?  Or do you assume a mindset of eternal vigilance, and solve the problems when they arise

I see your point, but I don't know if it makes it any more or less inevitable.  Cheating to win is most certainly inevitable.  How about listening to the customer base for a change?  If there is a problem in a game that needs to be addressed in a game involving cheating - listen to the users of the product and let them guide your decisions.  I bet that they lose players if they don't fix the problem after a while.

I think it comes down to honesty; Honesty to yourself and honesty to your customer.  If they just admit that Piracy is not this huge, out of control monster that is eating away millions in profit every month, then maybe they can come to terms with it.  There is a huge difference between what they seem to what the perception to be and what the actual hard numbers are.  Most companies have some sort of acceptable loss figures in place don't they?  Why not just chalk it up as acceptable loss, estimate a realistic figure of loss, and move on?  It's business.  None of these companies seem to be operating at a profit loss so what is the problem?  I can tell you one thing it's not - Piracy.     
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« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2006, 08:25:14 PM »

Coming to terms is entirely different than ignoring, DZ.  Should we not have police just because we know criminals are going to commit crimes anyway?  Every now and then an innocent bystander gets shot, or the cops fuck up and beat Rodney King.  Putting your head in the sand is not a good approach, and certainly not one people who are losing millions of dollars are going to take.  Even if they prevent just 5% of piracy (I'd imagine this figure is higher), their investment in DRM is worth it.

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« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2006, 08:43:06 PM »

Personally, I think piracy hits the AAA titles disproportionately more than the others.

So if you, as a company, are going to finance $10 million (or whatever the cost is) for a potential AAA title, aren't you, as the investor, going to want some guarantee that your game isn't going to be available for download from every pirate site three days before it's in stores?

On the flip side would be Starforce, which wants to strongarm every game maker into having their copy protection, no matter what the projected sales might be (especially smaller titles), and no matter how much damage the protection scheme may do to legitimate users.
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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2006, 09:01:00 PM »

Quote from: gellar on December 29, 2006, 08:25:14 PM

Coming to terms is entirely different than ignoring, DZ.  Should we not have police just because we know criminals are going to commit crimes anyway?  Every now and then an innocent bystander gets shot, or the cops fuck up and beat Rodney King.  Putting your head in the sand is not a good approach, and certainly not one people who are losing millions of dollars are going to take.  Even if they prevent just 5% of piracy (I'd imagine this figure is higher), their investment in DRM is worth it.

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Oh true - bad things will happen with everything.  I'm not really advocating ignoring it, at least not on purpose.  icon_biggrin  I just think that a little bit of honesty would go a long way.  I think Piracy is a problem with NO definite answer, no matter how much money and time you throw at it.  If they could somehow accept this and maybe develop some basic DRM that provides some basic protections but yet still addresses our fair-use rights that they would see increased sales due to less spending on DRM development and more people wiling to buy because of ease of use.

I mean I know I don't buy CD's or DVD's anymore because it's just not worth it because there are no guarantees that it will work in the way that I want it to work - With all my devices - computer, mp3 players, dvd players, etc...  As far as Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, I am certainly not going to spend any money to upgrade to a technology that may not make it especially considering how these knuckleheads seem to be so uninterested in the customer that they are making profits off of.   
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« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2006, 09:03:31 PM »

See, I've never had an issue ever getting CD, DVD, BD, or HD-DVD to play... ever.  I plug it in, it works.  I have CD players in my office, car, home office, living room, laptop, desktop, file server, and bedroom.  I've never noted an issue with them playing on any of those.  I think I couldn't rip a few CDs automatically with itunes, but those CDs came with their own ripping thingie.  No biggie.  I've never once tried to rip a DVD, but I have played them on numerous devices with nary an issue.

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« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2006, 10:33:30 PM »

Hot on the heels of this news....is Star Wars starting on Blu-Ray in Feb 2007! Expect more at CES! :icon_eek:

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7830

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« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2006, 10:43:09 PM »

Ugh... having Episode I on your side isn't going to help
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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2006, 10:45:45 PM »

Call Homeland Security! This thread's been hijacked!!
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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2006, 09:15:15 PM »

And Hetz is at it again!! WHEEEEE
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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2006, 09:34:09 PM »

aww fuck, I'm going to have to buy the trilogy again?  However, I haven't seen any other site carrying this news, which seems odd considering it's dated December 28th on the linked site.   After all the rumors concerning the DVD release of the original trilogy I'm leery of any such news until Lucasfilm actually says it themselves on their web site.
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« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2007, 07:17:13 AM »

Episode 1 Blu Ray is just a rumor apparently.
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« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2007, 07:41:49 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on January 08, 2007, 07:17:13 AM


Ahh thank god. I don't really care which side of it this is on, I would just kinda rather them wait till the battle is over and then relate it.
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